Need help on how to run my future enclosures. Should i buy the herpstat 4?

Hello guys,
So I currently own one normal ball python but i plan to get at the most two more ball pythons along with one green tree python. I'm worried about controlling the heat and humidity for the snakes especially considering the GTP has different care requirements than the BP. Would i have to buy a thermostat for each enclosure to control all the heating then have a humidifier on a timer for the GTP? Whats the best safe/smart/economic way to go about automating the care for the snakes? I currently can get a deal on a herpstat 4 at $250-$267 brand new and want to know if you guys personally would buy it for my situation or is it overkill and i can do it with a more basic herpstat along with Rancos and timers. Open to all advice and help. Thanks in advance for the help. Cheers!

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Originally Posted by Ensendido

Hello guys,
So I currently own one normal ball python but i plan to get at the most two more ball pythons along with one green tree python. I'm worried about controlling the heat and humidity for the snakes especially considering the GTP has different care requirements than the BP. Would i have to buy a thermostat for each enclosure to control all the heating then have a humidifier on a timer for the GTP? Whats the best safe/smart/economic way to go about automating the care for the snakes? I currently can get a deal on a herpstat 4 at $250-$267 brand new and want to know if you guys personally would buy it for my situation or is it overkill and i can do it with a more basic herpstat along with Rancos and timers. Open to all advice and help. Thanks in advance for the help. Cheers!

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If you can get a 4 for that price I would do it 100%. That's like 100$ off. It may be overkill but it gives you wiggle room if (when) you expand your collection.

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Originally Posted by Soord

If you can get a 4 for that price I would do it 100%. That's like 100$ off. It may be overkill but it gives you wiggle room if (when) you expand your collection.

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Thanks for the reply. How would you personally go about using the 4 probes with 3 ball pythons and 1 Green Tree?

Anyone else care to chime in?

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Originally Posted by Ensendido

Thanks for the reply. How would you personally go about using the 4 probes with 3 ball pythons and 1 Green Tree?

Anyone else care to chime in?

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Honestly I would get a rack for the three bps which will only take up one probe, then use 2 for the gtp. Not really sure how to heat gtp viv but I assume you need one for the air and one for the ground. But I know nothing about them

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Originally Posted by Soord

Honestly I would get a rack for the three bps which will only take up one probe, then use 2 for the gtp. Not really sure how to heat gtp viv but I assume you need one for the air and one for the ground. But I know nothing about them

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You don't need one for the ground if you're using a RHP or heating lamp for heat (GTP's shoudn't be using heat pads anyway, it is near useless for them). The probe should be somewhere under and near the RHP, but set to a lower temp since the probe won't be directly under the hottest spot.

I don't know how a herpstat 4 can work, but if you go with a rack for the ball pythons and have a spare probe, you can use it for humidity control in your GTP enclosure? If you have the equipment for that.

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Originally Posted by redshepherd

You don't need one for the ground if you're using a RHP or heating lamp for heat (GTP's shoudn't be using heat pads anyway, it is near useless for them). The probe should be somewhere under and near the RHP, but set to a lower temp since the probe won't be directly under the hottest spot.

I don't know how a herpstat 4 can work, but if you go with a rack for the ball pythons and have a spare probe, you can use it for humidity control in your GTP enclosure? If you have the equipment for that.

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How would a herpstat 4 not work for that? If it's a new herpstat for that price you can flip it and buy a herpstat 2 and make 60$. I personally would definitely get a 4 for that price

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Originally Posted by Soord

How would a herpstat 4 not work for that? If it's a new herpstat for that price you can flip it and buy a herpstat 2 and make 60$. I personally would definitely get a 4 for that price

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I didn't say it doesn't work? I said I don't know how a herpstat works. Meaning I don't know what a herpstat's full abilities are. LOL

I just realized that sentence could've been taken two different ways...

And yeah, I'd definitely get the herpstat 4 for that price too!

Haha sorry I was like a herpstat totally fits that bill [emoji14]

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Go for it. I have one and it cost me 365 new. You will most likely have one outlet left. One for the balls, and 2 for the gtp. You have up to 400 watts per probe on the herp4, so you could easily expand your collection.

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Originally Posted by Soord

Honestly I would get a rack for the three bps which will only take up one probe, then use 2 for the gtp. Not really sure how to heat gtp viv but I assume you need one for the air and one for the ground. But I know nothing about them

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If i get into breeding I'll definitely go with racks, but at the moment I'm sticking with the cages. It's going to equal out to four cages which is another reason why i started this thread.I Want to know from someone with more experience how they would go about setting up the herpstat 4 to handle 3 ball pythons and 1 GTP. Really appreciate you're input on the herpstat 4. You & blk just made me pull the trigger on it. Didn't know it was that good of a deal. Came out to $266.00.

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Originally Posted by redshepherd

You don't need one for the ground if you're using a RHP or heating lamp for heat (GTP's shoudn't be using heat pads anyway, it is near useless for them). The probe should be somewhere under and near the RHP, but set to a lower temp since the probe won't be directly under the hottest spot.

I don't know how a herpstat 4 can work, but if you go with a rack for the ball pythons and have a spare probe, you can use it for humidity control in your GTP enclosure? If you have the equipment for that.

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I should've said before that I am planning to buy either a RHP or Ceramic Heat Bulb. No undertank heater. Appreciate the reply

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Originally Posted by Ensendido

If i get into breeding I'll definitely go with racks, but at the moment I'm sticking with the cages. It's going to equal out to four cages which is another reason why i started this thread.I Want to know from someone with more experience how they would go about setting up the herpstat 4 to handle 3 ball pythons and 1 GTP. Really appreciate you're input on the herpstat 4. You & blk just made me pull the trigger on it. Didn't know it was that good of a deal. Came out to $266.00.

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Herpstats are super easy to use. On the menu you have each of the outputs to choose from then when you choose the outputs you go into another menu where you have the temps and stuff. This means you can set each output something different making it easy for different herps. You can even customize things like dropping temp at night and how it heats depending on the output. The main screen shows the output, then the amount of power (in %) going to that heat source. On a herpstat4 there are 4 plugs on the back for heat sources. like uth or rhp. Not really sure what you mean by set up. Do you mean specific temps? Placement? our specific settings?

I personally have not tried this, but it is possible to run 3 RHPs for BP cages off of one probe, similar to the way heat tape is run for racks. This assumes all enclosures are identical as well as the RHPs. There's no reason the internal temperatures would end up being vastly different. And of course you would have thermometers within each enclosure to verify temps.


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Originally Posted by Soord

Herpstats are super easy to use. On the menu you have each of the outputs to choose from then when you choose the outputs you go into another menu where you have the temps and stuff. This means you can set each output something different making it easy for different herps. You can even customize things like dropping temp at night and how it heats depending on the output. The main screen shows the output, then the amount of power (in %) going to that heat source. On a herpstat4 there are 4 plugs on the back for heat sources. like uth or rhp. Not really sure what you mean by set up. Do you mean specific temps? Placement? our specific settings?

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Yes. I just meant what you would assign each probe to do. Would you just assign them to control the heat in each cage or the humidity in one and heat in the others? I'm going to play around with the options just want to get some feedback now that i purchased the herpstat

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Originally Posted by BPGator

I personally have not tried this, but it is possible to run 3 RHPs for BP cages off of one probe, similar to the way heat tape is run for racks. This assumes all enclosures are identical as well as the RHPs. There's no reason the internal temperatures would end up being vastly different. And of course you would have thermometers within each enclosure to verify temps.


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So would i have to purchase a power strip for this and connect all the RHPs to it, then connect that to the herpstat?

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Originally Posted by Ensendido

So would i have to purchase a power strip for this and connect all the RHPs to it, then connect that to the herpstat?

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Theoretically you can do that. As was said, that's assuming that all enclosures are the exact same, with the same heating sources, not in a stack, in a controlled environment, etc. I personally would just use all 4 outputs on the Herpstat 4. Much safer in the event that the stat or heating sources should fail in any way. What type of enclosures are you using?

I don't disagree that having each RHP on a separate channel is the best solution. Just presenting an alternative.

To answer the OPs question, yes, you'd want some multi-outlet extension that would connect to a single channel on the Herpstat. If you decide on this, I would check with Sypder Robotics on the wattage capability of each channel. I believe the entire unit has a 900W capability, but I'm not sure if each outlet would have its own maximum.


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Originally Posted by jmcrook

Theoretically you can do that. As was said, that's assuming that all enclosures are the exact same, with the same heating sources, not in a stack, in a controlled environment, etc. I personally would just use all 4 outputs on the Herpstat 4. Much safer in the event that the stat or heating sources should fail in any way. What type of enclosures are you using?

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At the moment I'm planning to use Glass Display Cages. I would need to buy the cage in advance and play with the temperatures to get them right in the Green Tree Python's case but i have it down for the Ball Pythons after having mine for 9 years.

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Originally Posted by BPGator

I don't disagree that having each RHP on a separate channel is the best solution. Just presenting an alternative.

To answer the OPs question, yes, you'd want some multi-outlet extension that would connect to a single channel on the Herpstat. If you decide on this, I would check with Sypder Robotics on the wattage capability of each channel. I believe the entire unit has a 900W capability, but I'm not sure if each outlet would have its own maximum.


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Just did after seeing your post. 400W for each output, 1600W total

Appreciate all the responses guys. With all your help I decided to buy the herpstat 4 and got some ideas for how to set it up. Once I actually buy more snakes I'll play around with different setups. Thanks again!!