i have to watch my snakes starve as punishment

So in my collection I have 4 snakes. However my parents were only aware of 3 and said I couldn't get anymore however I still got another. I waited 2 weeks just so when I told them that I couldn't bring it back and now as my punishment they refuse to take me to the store to get mice. As my punishment I have to watch my snakes starve. Does anyone have any idea of how long they will last? I just want to know how long I have to enjoy them until they pass away. :( I have a baby spotted python, two juvenile ball pythons and an adult corn snake. Last time they all ate was around Monday but I don't have any more food for them. The nearest store is a 6 mile walk and will take me 2 hours. I'm hoping I have enough stamina to make it. (Sorry for any grammatical errors I can barely see because I'm crying as I type :( ) any ideas will help thanks

Just apologize and ask that they punish you in some other way than allowing poor, innocent creatures die slowly from starvation. If this doesn't work, you may have to resort to hunting for rodents around your home.

Your juveniles and adult should be fine for quite a while, but you baby (depending on size) should make it a few months.
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How did you get the snakes? Online purchase? if so, do as mentioned above.

How far is the store? Can you walk there and back safely?

However, I can't help but to advise against anymore sneaking around, it is in your and your pet's best interest in you try to level with your parents.

Joshua, please talk to your parents. They could be just putting on a show to let you know they are upset with you. Starving animals to death is a crime, and they could get in trouble for forcing you to do that.

Do you have a bicycle or have any friends' parents who might be able to drive you to the pet store?

you should make a deal with them and get rid of one of the snakes, your under their roof so what they say should pretty much go. If it were me though, i would grab my backpack and my bike and take that 6 mile bike ride haha.

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you should make a deal with them and get rid of one of the snakes, your under their roof so what they say should pretty much go. If it were me though, i would grab my backpack and my bike and take that 6 mile bike ride haha.

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I agree. Rehome one of them, and use Cragislist if necessary.

Jog or walk to the store. You can jog 6 miles in a hour. You can probably get a six pack and get all the ladies just by getting food for your snakes

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Jog or walk to the store. You can jog 6 miles in a hour. You can probably get a six pack and get all the ladies just by getting food for your snakes

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You might even win a few hearts with your courage!

Your situation, and possibly your parents are unstable. As hard as it might be, you should consider re homing your snakes and picking this hobby back up in the future when you're the master of your own destiny.

Failing that, a six mile ruck isn't that bad. Time it for the cool part of the morning.

Starving animals is a crime. They (and you, but mostly them because they're adults) could get in big big trouble.

Talk to them and find out if they mean this is a short-term grounding-type thing, and they won't take you for a couple weeks, or if they intend to never take you to the pet store again. If never, you have to decide if you want to find a way to get to the pet store yourself (you can probably manage---I mean, you managed to get another snake by yourself) or if you'd prefer to take your snakes to an animal shelter (or rehome them via craigslist or other method).

Cold-blooded animals digest slowly and they can go a pretty long time without food. But the younger ones shouldn't go too long.

At any rate, you can't let them starve. . .besides the snakes' suffering, an animal cruelty record at your age would be a real shame.

ETA: if you really think your parents would do something cruel and illegal like force you to starve your pets, you should probably talk to your school guidance counselor. That's a little beyond anything an internet forum can do.

He could walk, bike ride, etc to go and get it, but depending on the weather and if he feeds live, the rat/mice may die before he gets home perhaps?
But I agree with those who say to talk to your parents and ask for you, yourself to be punished rather than punish your animals and/ or re-home one.

If it ends up that you have to walk to the store and the weather would endanger the rats, you could take a small cooler along with you. It won't be a perfect solution, but it would help.

YOU put yourself in this position and the way out of it is to

A/Walk 6 miles
B/ Re-home your animal.

And please do not follow dangerous advice such as feeding wild rodents.

Hopefully this will be a lesson learned, if it was under my roof the animals would be gone.

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I'm going to try and walk the 6 miles. Hopefully I can at least once and I'll get live and breed them at home so I don't have to go back

Wasn't thinking of the re-homing thing...I do agree that feeding wild rodents has numerous risks, but in my eyes it is better than letting the animals starve. Then again, I could find younger rodents to raise in hopes to reduce the number of diseases they would carry.

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I'm going to try and walk the 6 miles. Hopefully I can at least once and I'll get live and breed them at home so I don't have to go back

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If you think your mom is mad about snakes in the house, she will really flip out when you start breeding mice. You will also need a lot of mice to support four snakes.

Assuming you are not a troll there are other options:
- Call the store and see if you can pay to have the mice delivered, there may be an employee who lives near you who can drop them off.
- If you're on Facebook look in the reptile forums for someone who breeds feeders and is closer than the store.
- Post an ad on Craiglist or Facebook and rehome the snakes.

If all else fails you can tell a school guidance counselor that your parents are willing to starve your pets to punish you, but be warned that this will likely get them in a lot of expensive legal trouble.

Also, put your location (city/state) in your profile, someone here may be close enough to throw a few feeders your way.

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If you think your mom is mad about snakes in the house, she will really flip out when you start breeding mice. You will also need a lot of mice to support four snakes.

Assuming you are not a troll there are other options:
- Call the store and see if you can pay to have the mice delivered, there may be an employee who lives near you who can drop them off.
- If you're on Facebook look in the reptile forums for someone who breeds feeders and is closer than the store.
- Post an ad on Craiglist or Facebook and rehome the snakes.

If all else fails you can tell a school guidance counselor that your parents are willing to starve your pets to punish you, but be warned that this will likely get them in a lot of expensive legal trouble.

Also, put your location (city/state) in your profile, someone here may be close enough to throw a few feeders your way.

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My ball pythons are feeding on hoppers and my corn snake is eating adult mice. The baby spotted is eating pinkies and that's my main worry since its small. Shouldn't that be easy to maintain? I have a pet rabbit so I'm guessing since they're both rodents I can use the same food.

Another option would be to get your snakes on frozen thawed rodents and stock up if you can, then you won't have to go to the store that often.

I think if you're perfectly capable of caring for all the animals on your own, your parents should get the stick out their butt, but whatever. I agree with earlier posts. Turn them in to another elder if they're willing to starve your animals long term. ESPECIALLY since you're capable of caring for them. Starving an animal is a crime that needs reported right away. Those creatures need food eventually and if they get to a point of poor health or even death, that's a crime. 6 miles is a long walk for a kid, especially since it's getting hot out.

6 miles once a week shouldnt be too bad and a good way to get in good cardio shape. Or It might be a good time to try converting your snakes to F/T. Whe you make a trip to the store you can make e trip worth your while and get enough to last several week. Before putting mice and rats in your freezer I would suggest talking to your parents about it first though, or hide them in the bottom in a bag of stuff nobody wants to cook. Plus they should be fine for a month or two. Though mine do that of their own free will of not eating that long as opposed to me. Though I did have a ball that was aweful bloated after a couple of large meals and decided to give her an extra week to pass it before stuffing her more.


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If they won't let you keep them in their freezer, maybe you could find a small refrigerator/freezer to keep in your room. They sell small ones that are only a few cubic feet inside for offices and dorm rooms, and the one I had back in college had a small freezer section. Very small, but enough to store some bags of mice.

Your location says Corona, CA. Do they have a city bus system?

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My ball pythons are feeding on hoppers and my corn snake is eating adult mice. The baby spotted is eating pinkies and that's my main worry since its small. Shouldn't that be easy to maintain? I have a pet rabbit so I'm guessing since they're both rodents I can use the same food.

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Rabbits are NOT rodents. Mice will not survive on rabbit food. Also, your ball pythons will very shortly be on *rats*. Also also, mice STINK. Even well taken care of mice STINK. Your parents aren't going to like that at all, plus setting them up appropriately is going to cost money.

Rehome one of your snakes. I'm rather horrified that in your initial post you asked how long you had to enjoy them until they died. That rehoming one never entered into your mind and instead you were willing to let them die is very disturbing.

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6 miles once a week shouldnt be too bad and a good way to get in good cardio shape. Or It might be a good time to try converting your snakes to F/T. Whe you make a trip to the store you can make e trip worth your while and get enough to last several week. Before putting mice and rats in your freezer I would suggest talking to your parents about it first though, or hide them in the bottom in a bag of stuff nobody wants to cook. Plus they should be fine for a month or two. Though mine do that of their own free will of not eating that long as opposed to me. Though I did have a ball that was aweful bloated after a couple of large meals and decided to give her an extra week to pass it before stuffing her more.


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Well it would be 12 miles for there and back again, if he gets frozen he would want to make sure to get back in time before the mice thaw out. Live mice should survive the journey home just fine though.

@OP Best bet would be to order rodents online, you can get a prepaid visa and use it to order online.

Look online, like on Craigslist, maybe even FB to see if any one is selling feeders around your area, maybe even make an ad asking if anyone has feeders around you, closer than 6 miles. If you were in my area, I'd help you out since i breed my own feeders, but sadly you're not.
I think some people have had f/t shipped to their houses? Not sure on that..
I'f he brought a cooler or something full of ice, the mice should be fine for a six mile walk for f/t, I think.

There are a few things seriously wrong with this post, but I'll bite anyway:

First of all, all we know is your side of the story. It could be your parents said you aren't allowed to go back to the pet store because you irresponsibly snuck another mouth to feed into the house, despite not having the means to feed that mouth. Your parents may think snakes can eat rabbit food, who knows. I seriously doubt if they are ok with 3 snakes in the house, a 4th would make them want to just starve the whole lot to punish *you*. Doesn't add up.

Second, if you think your parents are pissed for sneaking another snake home, imagine how pissed they will be to find rodents (plural!) in their home? Have you ever even bred rodents before? Probably not, so again, you would be taking on much more responsibility than you are capable of handling, and at the expense of losing what trust you have left with your parents.

Third, you need to realize that the problem in this situation is not your parents. It's you. Your parents were fine with their kid keeping three snakes in their home, which is more than I can say for many grown adult roommates. Judging by your post, you don't drive which means you're either too young or too broke (or maybe disabled?), in which case you owe the care of your pets to your parents, who give you the funding for their food. The deal was that you uphold a simple rule: no more pets (and for a teenager, 3 snakes is PLENTY, so that's not outrageous). You broke that rule, so now you must suffer the consequences. Don't be dramatic and make it seem like your parents are snatching knots in the snakes' necks. If you need to get off your hiney and go buy food for the animals you took into your possession, get walking.

Fourth, for the love of God, you've already posted your full name here (if that's even your name. I'm really hoping you're just a troll), please don't open yourself up to criminal activity by also publishing your city and state. I would maybe take PM inquiries if folks in your area can help you out, but if my kid went to a forum to try to accuse me of animal neglect because he broke one of my rules, and then published his full name and city and state, you would have a lot more than snakes to worry about.

Ahem. Just sayin'. Good luck, and please don't continue to subject any more innocent animals to this situation.

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Your location says Corona, CA. Do they have a city bus system?

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yea they do, i live near it, well corona is a city in riverside county.

Your parents will pay for snake food but not a drive to the shop?


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Yes its a crime but bringing that up to your parents will get you in a world of crap. If it got out of hand then yes I would. Maybe they want to see some responsibility! Jump on your bike or start walking, after you do this a couple times I bet they take you. Do other things around the house, don't wait to be asked.

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If this is a troll thread then, "Good one". Assuming this is not a troll thread I will give my opinion.

First, shame on you for acting like an insolent child.

It doesn't sound like you have a bad situation at home. I don't think Child Protective Services would be on your side. Last time I checked, parents that will let you have three snakes but not four, is not considered an abusive home environment. In fact, as many others have stated, it is a bit more than many parents would permit, including my own growing up.

Second, shame on you for playing the victim and making your parents out as the bad guys.

This is wholly on you. The moment you broke their rules, everything that follows is a result of your actions (aftermath). Like a Rube Goldberg Machine you created the cause that affected the change. This idea of "It is better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission" is a seriously misguided paradigm. Rules exist to create a structure in which society can exist for the good of the society, not just the individual. Your parents rules are there to govern the society which is your family. You don't have to understand all of the reasoning behind them, but you are expected to obey them. If they are providing the means for the food and the transportation, then it may be that they simply can't afford the extra cost or the additional time required to house an additional animal. Regardless, with three animals already you should have been grateful, but instead you acted like an ingrate.

Your parents aren't raising a child, they are raising an adult. Someday you will have to go out into the world and try to make it on your own. The rules will be even more demanding and the consequences of breaking the rules will be far more punitive then anything you are experiencing now. In the adult world when you break the rule:

• You could be fired from the job that is feeding your family, providing you housing, and covering your medical bills with insurance.
• You could be arrested and serve time.
• You could be assaulted
• You could be killed or kill others. (see bullet 2)

If you want to fix this then you need to pull up your big boy pants and "Man Up". You can start by apologizing to your parents with as much humility as you can muster and thanking them for the privilege of having been allowed to keep three snakes in the first place. Then I would suggest you ask your parents to help you set up an ad on craigslist offering all of your snakes for rehoming. They need to be involved, if they'll agree, so they can monitor your efforts to actually rehome the animals. Tell them you will keep the add up until two of your animals are rehomed, regardless of if either are one of your favorites or not. Further, your rehoming fees should be very attractive (painful even) so that you will achieve fast results. See, when you are being punished the consequences should cause you to end up at a disadvantage or loss. What is the punishment if you just return to your regularly scheduled program?

Then, and only then, will you be able to "ASK" if they will resume taking you to the store to get the food while you are rehoming them. You messed up and this is on you to fix. You are responsible for the welfare of four animals and they have no options but to rely on you to do the right thing. I hope you do.

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I love some of the idiotic responses.......

Your parents house, your PARENTS rules.
Be glad you still have them because I would have given away all of them had you been in my house.

You broke the rules. Either rehome them or grow up and get out.
Does it hurt to hear the truth?
Bet it hurt to break the trust too. :gj:

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Kids these days man. Zero respect for parents or authority. The comments telling the op should get their parents in trouble are beyond ridiculous. Here's an idea, listen to your parents. You can do what you want when you have your own place and pay your own bills. You are lucky enough that your parents allow you to keep any snakes at all, but the OP chooses to take advantage of that and go behind their back and get another. OP you are not he victim here, my advice would be to rehome the new snake you didn't have permission to get and apologize to your parents and regain their trust. Being up front and honest with them might actually make them consider allowing you to get another snake in the future.

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Kids these days man. Zero respect for parents or authority. The comments telling the op should get their parents in trouble are beyond ridiculous. Here's an idea, listen to your parents. You can do what you want when you have your own place and pay your own bills. You are lucky enough that your parents allow you to keep any snakes at all, but the OP chooses to take advantage of that and go behind their back and get another. OP you are not he victim here, my advice would be to rehome the new snake you didn't have permission to get and apologize to your parents and regain their trust. Being up front and honest with them might actually make them consider allowing you to get another snake in the future.

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Kids do stupid things and push boundaries, which is why they are kids. Punishing the child for the screw-up by starving his pets to death is way over the top though.

If you need to re-home these guys quickly there is a reptile rescue in your area that might be able to help, I'd suggest you contact them.
http://www.reptilerescueoc.org/

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Kids do stupid things and push boundaries, which is why they are kids. Punishing the child for the screw-up by starving his pets to death is way over the top though.
http://www.reptilerescueoc.org/

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Agreed kids do dumb things, they also have to be held accountable and learn from those mistakes. I don't believe the parents said he couldn't feed them, he would just have to take the walk to the pet store himself.
Nice long walk to get the rodents sounds like plenty of time to think about going behind his parents back again. Sounds like a good lesson learned.

Also I'll assume the parents know snakes don't need to eat everyday. Idk how much time has passed. But there's probably a chance they are making the OP sweat it out before brining him to get the rodents, knowing snakes can go without food just fine for a while.

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I love some of the idiotic responses.......

Your parents house, your PARENTS rules.
Be glad you still have them because I would have given away all of them had you been in my house.

You broke the rules. Either rehome them or grow up and get out.
Does it hurt to hear the truth?
Bet it hurt to break the trust too. :gj:

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Agreed!

Remember the "HOW OLD ARE YOU?" Thread???

Here is a perfect example of what you PitOnTheProwl were talking about when you stated the thread tells a lot about some folks.

Classic immaturity issue here. This does NOT apply to all younger folks. Many of you show responsibility and respect for rules. There are some wonderful young keepers out there and I say more power to you if you enjoy the hobby responsibly.

Somehow reptiles don't seem to fall under the same rules other pets do.

People tend to collect and over collect them. People who are not established, and in this case if it's not a troll thread, irresponsible tend to just get what THEY WANT and think very little about the long term.


IF you are a healthy person you damn well better walk that 6 miles and get the food. Or online order some.

If you are limited or have health issues that is different, but I'll bet you have a friend that could go, or take the bus.

At this point you appear to be one of the keepers that should not own a pet of any kind.

This is strike one.

I'll venture to guess this is not the end of this behavior.

If you could get to a place to buy a new snake, you can get to a place to buy the food.

Being overdramatic and wailing about how your parents are "starving" your pets to death when it's been a week(see first post) is just attention grabbing and all the people responding as if there's no way these poor starving pets will ever get any food unless the parents go get it, when the OP has already demonstrated the ability to get a live snake to his house without their help don't help at all.

There have been MANY helpful posts here. You can walk or take a bus to the pet store. You can ASK your parents to pick up the food for them, with you paying. You could check for sources that may deliver to your house for an extra fee. You could order frozen feeders after asking your parents if it's okay to store them in a freezer. You could ask a friend to help you get food. You could ask a friend with a secondary freezer(like some folks keep in the garage) to keep your frozen rodents. You could rehome or return the snakes so they don't actually miss many meals.

But YOUR idea is to "watch them die slowly" because you don't want to give them up or presumably arrange for other ways to get their food. I see your recent post about how you will be walking to the store(as if it's a trip to Mordor), but your first post about watching them starve versus rehomeing them tells a lot more about what you think about your pets.

Maybe I missed something vital to the conversation, however I can quickly see who the adults are here. My animals are very well cared for, however my family comes first. Anyone giving the ?troll? the advice to rat out his/her parents to any authorities over a snake is very confused themselves and should not be giving advice to anyone. Legal problems can lead to the loss of jobs, income whatever. There could be other kids involved. The parents may just be teaching the kid a lesson. You do not bite the hand that feeds you. No one here knows the whole story. The ones here saying to re-home the animals are correct. This person is not responsible enough to be taking care of anything. To post this problem on a public forum in the first place was just plain wrong and shows a very high level of immaturity and or emotional issues that should be addressed by people qualified to do so.

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Kids these days man. Zero respect for parents or authority.

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I agree, but I do not believe kids should take all of the blame for this. Many parents let their children get away with almost anything now since it is too much work to punish them. Also, the restrictions on discipline in not helping the issue either.

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Back in the day.......


mm oh all the ways I want to be end that sentence....


I can't even..... I hope you come home from school and find out your parents rehomed the animals because the lack of responsibility and common sense is astonishing.

Near as we can tell, the OP is a minor who has apparently given us his first and last name as well as his city and state. Anybody and everybody in addition to members can access this thread, and I'm guessing his parents aren't aware of this thread, either. In the interests of his security and due to the possibility that his parents might see it and all heck break loose, I'd like to suggest that a mod delete, modify, or close this thread. I'm new here and not sure of the rules, but I don't have a good feeling about keeping this open. This is just my opinion.

Thanks.

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Near as we can tell, the OP is a minor who has apparently given us his first and last name as well as his city and state. Anybody and everybody in addition to members can access this thread, and I'm guessing his parents aren't aware of this thread, either. In the interests of his security and due to the possibility that his parents might see it and all heck break loose, I'd like to suggest that a mod delete, modify, or close this thread. I'm new here and not sure of the rules, but I don't have a good feeling about keeping this open. This is just my opinion.

Thanks.

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Mods...........
Yup, I second that. Wish I would have thought about that as well.

I do not think everything parents do is OK. There was one parent who made their kid kill his pet hamster with a hammer because he broke the rules (fortunately they were caught and punished). Some parents suck in general, some generally good parents do some terrible things. I don't think they get a pass on bad behavior because they popped a person out of their loins.

BUT, yes, if they're just making you go to the store yourself instead of actually forcing you to starve your pets, get walking! But a parent who forbids the feeding of a pet to punish their kid deserves whatever they get.

I just spoke to the store that he bought the animals from and the situation will be resolved.

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Near as we can tell, the OP is a minor who has apparently given us his first and last name as well as his city and state. Anybody and everybody in addition to members can access this thread, and I'm guessing his parents aren't aware of this thread, either. In the interests of his security and due to the possibility that his parents might see it and all heck break loose, I'd like to suggest that a mod delete, modify, or close this thread. I'm new here and not sure of the rules, but I don't have a good feeling about keeping this open. This is just my opinion.

Thanks.

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Member Profile says 18 years old.

The whole thread is a train wreck.

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Way to go!

This is terrible. I have a 4-year-old daughter and I'm getting a degree to teach pre-school and I can honestly say that the lot of you are unfit to raise the next generation of children. There was nothing that implied the OP was incapable of taking care of the pets. I personally interpreted this as a simple asking of advice and that his/her parents were actually forbidding them from feeding their animals, which is a crime. Anyone ever heard of benefit of the doubt? No? Well then look it up. There's no proof as to whether this post is a troll or not and therefore, you cannot claim it is. Innocent until proven guilty, right? As for contacting the store, what exactly did you mean "resolved"?

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This is terrible. I have a 4-year-old daughter and I'm getting a degree to teach pre-school and I can honestly say that the lot of you are unfit to raise the next generation of children. There was nothing that implied the OP was incapable of taking care of the pets. I personally interpreted this as a simple asking of advice and that his/her parents were actually forbidding them from feeding their animals, which is a crime. Anyone ever heard of benefit of the doubt? No? Well then look it up. There's no proof as to whether this post is a troll or not and therefore, you cannot claim it is. Innocent until proven guilty, right? As for contacting the store, what exactly did you mean "resolved"?

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Unfit to raise children because they believe a teenager was in the wrong to knowingly purchase and hide an animal from their parents? Madness!

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This is terrible. I have a 4-year-old daughter and I'm getting a degree to teach pre-school and I can honestly say that the lot of you are unfit to raise the next generation of children. There was nothing that implied the OP was incapable of taking care of the pets. I personally interpreted this as a simple asking of advice and that his/her parents were actually forbidding them from feeding their animals, which is a crime. Anyone ever heard of benefit of the doubt? No? Well then look it up. There's no proof as to whether this post is a troll or not and therefore, you cannot claim it is. Innocent until proven guilty, right? As for contacting the store, what exactly did you mean "resolved"?

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Yeah the people that think the kid should have to be held accountable for lying and going behind their parents backs bringing an animal into their home without permission are the ones not fit to raise kids, ok. No it's parents that let their children walk all over them, want to be more of a pal than parent that is the problem. Part of the whole "you can do whatever you want" "everyone is a winner and gets a trophy" generation.
Raising a bunch of monsters that can't hear the word no without needing a "safe place"
It's pretty simple until you live on your own and pay your own bills you live by your parents rules. You want to feed the snakes? Go get the rodents yourself. If the op can go buy a snake, they should have no issue going and getting the food for them.

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This is terrible. I have a 4-year-old daughter and I'm getting a degree to teach pre-school and I can honestly say that the lot of you are unfit to raise the next generation of children. There was nothing that implied the OP was incapable of taking care of the pets. I personally interpreted this as a simple asking of advice and that his/her parents were actually forbidding them from feeding their animals, which is a crime. Anyone ever heard of benefit of the doubt? No? Well then look it up. There's no proof as to whether this post is a troll or not and therefore, you cannot claim it is. Innocent until proven guilty, right? As for contacting the store, what exactly did you mean "resolved"?

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I've raised four of my own. The conduct of the OP would be totally unacceptable in my household and the animals would have been gone.

It is resolved. As I refuse to put more of this child's information on the internet, I can say the animals are not in danger of starving.

I found it horrifying that a child would either not know enough about internet safety to know better, or did know better, and still chose to make these accusations with no mind to the consequences. With either of those two options, If it were my child they would

A) no longer have the care of anything dependent on them.
B) loose all access to the internet that I could control. Use an encyclopedia for homework, like I did.

On so many levels this was unsafe.