Het/poss het

I have several bp's in my collection and 3 are at breeding size and age. One is a female normal and other 2 are a vanilla yellow belly het ghost and a pastel red axanthic. A male spider het ghost orange ghost isn't far behind. But I want to breed the vanilla yellow belly het ghost to the normal. On world of balls it shows what I may get. Some hets some not. Would that be considered a 66% poss het clutch? Or a 50/50 clutch?

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Is the het ghost a 100% het? If so the offspring would be 50% het

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That I can't say till I breed him with my ghost. But spider is 100% dbl het.

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The spider is double het what?


If you breed a het you have a 50% chance per egg to get a het.
These are possible hets that you would have to grow out to prove. They would be normals to anyone else.

Spider is het ghost het orange ghost. But breeding him with pastel ghost only. Vanilla yellow belly het ghost to normal is trial and error breeding.

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Well if the vanilla yb is only a possible het then the offspring may or may not be het.

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So, from both you and pitontheprowl, clutch would be 50/50? Not a problem. Just wanting to get info before giving wrong info. Thank you both

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Spider is het ghost het orange ghost. But breeding him with pastel ghost only. Vanilla yellow belly het ghost to normal is trial and error breeding.

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Het ghost and het orange ghost are one and the same thing and does not make the animal double het.

Ghost = orange ghost = hypo, different lines which for the most part are compatible.

Homozygous X normal = 100% Het
Heterozygous X Heterozygous = 66% Het
Heterozygous X Normal = 50% Het

The PH will not be worth more than normal, with the price of Hypos those days people just get visuals.

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Spider is het ghost het orange ghost.

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Its Het Hypo. That is not a double Het.

No offense but if ghost and orange ghost were compatible then I would have a honey bee. Since he's not honey bee the pairing resulted in hets. Going off world of balls. But question was about my vanilla and if clutch would be 66% or 50/50? But still thank you for info that will help me in future.

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No offense but if ghost and orange ghost were compatible then I would have a honey bee. Since he's not honey bee the pairing resulted in hets. Going off world of balls. But question was about my vanilla and if clutch would be 66% or 50/50? But still thank you for info that will help me in future.

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Well ok if you say so :rolleyes:


Than again not long ago you thought your Spider was a honeybee http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-is-a-honeybee

No offense but based on your initial question and this answer YOU have a lot to learn still.

There are only a few incompatible lines the mainstream lines are compatible, again ghost is compatible with orange ghost, also compatible with Hypo, Butterscotch Hypo and Bell line. It's well known fact ( I myself even own a few crosses)

You either were mislead or misunderstood the initial pairing there is no such a thing as Double Het Ghost / Orange Ghost

Get back to the "breeder" and ask again what the pairing was and what lines were used.

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No offense but if ghost and orange ghost were compatible then I would have a honey bee.

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NOT if your spider is HET.....
I didn't forget this last conversation. SMH
Good luck to you

To clarify..... the pairing that produced the spider would have had to have been VISUAL hypo/ghost/orange ghost in BOTH parents along with the spider gene. IF only ONE (1) was visual then you have a het. If one (1) or both were hets then you have a gamble of a possible.

Again only if the vanilla yb is a 100% het will you have a 50% chance to produce possible hets. If it is only a possible het then who knows, you may or may not produce any het offspring because the vanilla yb may not be het itself. For the spider, we're either of his parents a visual ghost animal? If not then you have another possible het animal not a 100% het.

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I seen both parents of spider. Male was honeybee (ghost spider) and female was orange ghost (normal) neither were hets. World of balls said with that pairing clutch would be het ghost het orange ghost. Every baby minus my spider were returned to him. I was given them as compensation. I gave them to friends n family. Still have the spider. And vanilla yb was sold as het ghost. And yes I have a lot to learn. Don't we all? I have a ghost female and pastel ghost female to prove out the spider. Not sweating the spider issue no longer.

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Thank you once again on 50/50 clutch het to non het info. What makes a clutch 66%?

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Thank you once again on 50/50 clutch het to non het info. What makes a clutch 66%?

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Again

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Homozygous X normal = 100% Het
Heterozygous X Heterozygous = 66% Het
Heterozygous X Normal = 50% Het

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Thank you. So, whatever het to whatever het is 66%?

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I understand that the OP is confused and I can see why if he really does not know what he has and he is messing around with genetics calculators. I have written one and I understand why they produce the answers they do. That said to have solid clarification of what the community expects when describing an animal would be very helpful to me. I am not very familiar with the hypo lines but I do have a scientific understanding of basic genetics.

So if I understand what has been said by the reputable breeders. Most lines of ghost, including orange ghost and hypo are considered the same gene and we are not creating a complex situation such as a Candino (het candy, het albino). If this is the case when an animal has crossed lines of the same gene (homo Ghost x homo Orange Ghost) we end up having an animal with one gene from the Ghost line and another from the Orange Ghost line. The animal is obviously a visual hypo. Should that animal be represented as something like Hypo(ghost X orange ghost) or homo Hypo(het ghost, het orange ghost). In other words, do we even bother to differentiate the lines in the crosses?

Mods, i apologize, after posting I think i hijacked the thread. Please feel free to move or delete this post.

Your right, I am confused. But am learning the best I can. World of balls has helped to a degree. Talking to different hobbiests has helped. Getting on YouTube has helped. Getting on here I get confused. No show n tell in other words. But you all are still helpful to me. Thank all of you.

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Your right, I am confused. But am learning the best I can. World of balls has helped to a degree. Talking to different hobbiests has helped. Getting on YouTube has helped. Getting on here I get confused. No show n tell in other words. But you all are still helpful to me. Thank all of you.

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You are on the right path at this point to relieving your confusion. The first step to becoming knowledgeable is knowing when you don't know. Except that anyone on here with moderator in their signature knows what they are talking about. That does not mean they will necessarily be nice about everything they say but they will not feed you bad information.

Realize when you start talking about genetics in the ball python world that most are not scientists. This has led to a hodgepodge of terms. To really understand what everyone is saying it is my view that you need learn both the scientific terms and the ones used in the industry. Do not rely on the genetics calculators to do the work for you. I have yet to see one that is right all the time and you will realize why once you understand what is going on. Believe it or not, genetics at the level you need to breed snakes is not hard. With a little work you can learn to do most of the calculations in your head. It is just simple Mendelian genetics. Look that up as a start. Learn about dominant, "co-dominant", and recessive traits. Once you understand that research complexes. Learn to make a Punnett square. Pretty soon everything will seem simple.

Try not to argue with the mods. They are trying to help in their own sometimes mysterious ways. Until you know a lot more, accept that they are right. Arguing about opinions is fun but simple genetics is math. It is a right/wrong situation and impossible to argue. I advise you to not bother to try to understand banana/coral glow until you understand the other stuff. There are a lot of people that don't understand the genetics on that morph.

I get what your saying. To me banana and coral glow look the same but yellows are brighter on one and not the other. There are several more that to me are the same but different names. I have better understanding of black n rust, red and blue Dobermans than anything else.

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For an animal to be 66% het, both parents have to be 100% het for the same thing. For example if you breed a visual pied to a normal you produce 100% het, non visual offspring. If you breed a 100% het pied to a normal the offspring all have a 50% chance of being het pied. 2 het pieds bred together would produce some visual offspring. Each non visual offspring would have a 66% chance of being het pied because both parents carry one copy of the recessive gene.

And to touch on the ghost confusion, there are often many names for different lines of the same morph depending on who produced them. Examples would be coral glow and banana, lesser and butter, hypo and ghost, etc.

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Again, thank you.

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