Bcc or bci

I'm gonna post a picture all I really have to go off of us looks right now and size. My red tail is a female and about 6 months old and 3 feet. Please any clues? I'm gonna post a couple pics!

It is usually pretty easy to spot BCC vs BCI. Sometimes you can even spot specific locales.

Head shape, pattern and tail are the spots to look at and as Josh said, usually not too difficult to tell. Post up some pics.

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This is my BCC

There are several things to look at as noted above.

Without locality data you'll never be 100% certain as some people have crossed BCC and BCI and sell the young as BCC for more $$. Other snakes may not show "typical" traits that are common amongst the species.

Then there are these:
http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/IMG_3172.jpg

http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/IMG_3181.jpg

A boa displaying what a natural cross between BCC and BCI would look like according to Vincent Russo.

This is a Barranquilla, Colombian BCI, and I've been told by very good sources that the breeder, Gus Rentfro was close to calling these BCC.

There are boas from Venezuela, BCC and BCI that also stump some folks.

That said GENERALLY, once you are able to see certain localities over and over you can develop an eye for making a good educated guess. This is not the same as scale counting obviously.

To me, Going Postal's snake looks to have strong Suriname influence with the nice peaked saddles. BCC!

THE COMPLETE BOA CONSTRICTOR By Vincent Russo really is a great resource for you if you are interested in "Whats what".

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Without locality data you'll never be 100% certain as some people have crossed BCC and BCI and sell the young as BCC for more $$. Other snakes may not show "typical" traits that are common amongst the species.

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On the flip side, there are some that have crossed in order to intensify the colors of the BCi morphs, such as albinos and such for brighter reds and don't make it known that the crosses were done. I've seen statements 'it's a morph/designer boa anyways so it doesn't matter if it was crossed'. Some morphs are crosses and they made it known (like roswells) but years down the line, is that still common knowledge? The majority of hypos out there are locality crosses. It really comes down to trusting the breeder and doing research. Some people care and some don't care at all, it's up to what you like. I simply hope people are honest about it.

With an unknown history, one can never really be sure.

Get your pics up and we can try to give our guesses, most likely some form/locality of BCi since they are the most common in the hobby.
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THANKS FOR THE LOADS OF INFORMATION. I'm doing all this on my iPhone and have been trying to figure out how I can possibly post an image for you guys to see. Any ideas how to post an image over mobile?

FYI I was questioning her genetics because some of her saddles have peaks but not all! If anything maybe a cross or just some saddles that appear BCC!?!?! But I'm definitely trying to post a picture!

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On the flip side, there are some that have crossed in order to intensify the colors of the BCi morphs, such as albinos and such for brighter reds and don't make it known that the crosses were done. I've seen statements 'it's a morph/designer boa anyways so it doesn't matter if it was crossed'. Some morphs are crosses and they made it known (like roswells) but years down the line, is that still common knowledge? The majority of hypos out there are locality crosses. It really comes down to trusting the breeder and doing research. Some people care and some don't care at all, it's up to what you like. I simply hope people are honest about it.

With an unknown history, one can never really be sure.

Get your pics up and we can try to give our guesses, most likely some form/locality of BCi since they are the most common in the hobby.
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Exactly what I'm thinking I got her from a very good Petco they loved her and hated to see her go and she was well fed and after searching and not finding a good looking baby I finally found her. I know the commercial stores reputation but that doesn't matter as long as I take the animal in and care for her and she's been off to at least a good start. But I said that to say idk her history or parents even. So a blood test you said would be the only way?

Try using Tapatalk on your phone. Posting a pic is as easy pushing one button, then chose your picture.


Elenore, Common BI
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This is my BCC

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Clearly a BCC what a beauty too!

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Originally Posted by Gio

There are several things to look at as noted above.Without locality data you'll never be 100% certain as some people have crossed BCC and BCI and sell the young as BCC for more $$. Other snakes may not show "typical" traits that are common amongst the species. Then there are these:http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/IMG_3172.jpghttp://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/IMG_3181.jpgA boa displaying what a natural cross between BCC and BCI would look like according to Vincent Russo.This is a Barranquilla, Colombian BCI, and I've been told by very good sources that the breeder, Gus Rentfro was close to calling these BCC.There are boas from Venezuela, BCC and BCI that also stump some folks.That said GENERALLY, once you are able to see certain localities over and over you can develop an eye for making a good educated guess. This is not the same as scale counting obviously.To me, Going Postal's snake looks to have strong Suriname influence with the nice peaked saddles. BCC!THE COMPLETE BOA CONSTRICTOR By Vincent Russo really is a great resource for you if you are interested in "Whats what".

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This is how mine looks. Body color she's a light one not a dark one and the same tail color!

Please tell me if you can see them and let me know your opinion!

Looking forward to your opinions about my girl!

I highly suggest looking at this if you have Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/gus.texasguy/photos_albums

These are some of the best examples of locality animals on the planet. His Peruvian stock is simply the best in the world IMO.



It is a crying shame Gus is no longer working with BCs.

Luckily LEGACY REPTILES has taken a great deal of Gus' stock and are staying true to the breedings.

If your snake looks like mine, go to the "Colombian" section in the photo album page here. There is even a picture of my BC as a juvenile in there.

There is currently work being done that may change BC classification in the future. DNA is becoming more and more useful when looking at these guys.

If you are a purist it is paramount.

I am lucky to have 1 true locality animal. However, my coastal carpet python it a mutt, and my normal royal python is assumed to be just that, normal and nothing special.

Although I never have heard much about locality royals, it seems to always be about the morphs which is understandable.

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I highly suggest looking at this if you have Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/gus.texasguy/photos_albums

These are some of the best examples of locality animals on the planet. His Peruvian stock is simply the best in the world IMO.



It is a crying shame Gus is no longer working with BCs.

Luckily LEGACY REPTILES has taken a great deal of Gus' stock and are staying true to the breedings.

If your snake looks like mine, go to the "Colombian" section in the photo album page here. There is even a picture of my BC as a juvenile in there.

There is currently work being done that may change BC classification in the future. DNA is becoming more and more useful when looking at these guys.

If you are a purist it is paramount.

I am lucky to have 1 true locality animal. However, my coastal carpet python it a mutt, and my normal royal python is assumed to be just that, normal and nothing special.

Although I never have heard much about locality royals, it seems to always be about the morphs which is understandable.

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THANK you for that information I have some knowledge of who you are speaking of and I will follow up, have you seen my two images in MY IMAGES?!

If you're looking for locality stuff, you can check out Vin Russo at Cutting Edge Herps or Legacy Reptiles. I'm personally more of a morph guy but Vin does a have a gravid pure Hog Island which might be pretty tempting when he starts selling the babies. Just have to weigh it against the hypo jungle het kahl albino male I want to get for possibly future breeding to my sunglow girl :D Gotta love those junglows!!

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...have you seen my two images in MY IMAGES?!

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Yes, common BCI.

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Yes, common BCI.

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I can't see them or even a link.

I'm sure bcr229 is correct, but I'd just like to see the pictures for the sake of seeing them.

Did I miss something?

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I can't see them or even a link.

I'm sure bcr229 is correct, but I'd just like to see the pictures for the sake of seeing them.

Did I miss something?

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You gotta look in his profile in his gallery. He has 2 pictures. And yes that is a BCI. Technically its a BI as now there is no more Boa Constrictor Imperator or Boa Constrictor Constrictor. Its now either Boa Imperator or Boa Constrictor but whatever right? :D

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You gotta look in his profile in his gallery. He has 2 pictures. And yes that is a BCI. Technically its a BI as now there is no more Boa Constrictor Imperator or Boa Constrictor Constrictor. Its now either Boa Imperator or Boa Constrictor but whatever right? :D

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Got it!

Yep BI!!

And what would make it a BI because the peaks on the saddles are just slightly risen. Or her head. Color of tail? & thank you all for your time, sincerely...

Boas are highly variable in both pattern and color. BCi (BI) can have peaking on saddles, it's rather common for a few to have some mild peaks.

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Boas are highly variable in both pattern and color. BCi (BI) can have peaking on saddles, it's rather common for a few to have some mild peaks.

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Yes,

It is the totality of several traits the make up the "visual" determination.

There is overlap in the wild in certain areas, and it is not at all an oddity to have each species show traits that bridge the gap.

Scale counts are the best way go about confirmation.

But I have a feeling in the very near future it will be DNA.

I really think Vincent Russo's book gets to the bottom of a lot of this.

That makes sense. How do you determine by skill count?

just saw your photos, very cute little boa. looks like a classic BCi (I'm going to have a hard time using Bi, it just doesn't look as nice and almost 20 years of using BCi/BCc is going to be a hard habit to break lol)

I don't usually bother counting scales. You can use a shed skin to count. You can count dorsal scales in 3 ways:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iuEVOu2oO9...le+rows+KJ.png

Right definitely gonna be hard to get used to! But thanks for the photo! And thanks for saying she's a good looking one!

Looking at my pictures is it possible she's a hypo? All the "regular" red tails I see are dark and she's very light with high pinks and a purple tint. Thank you!

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I'm gonna post a picture all I really have to go off of us looks right now and size. My red tail is a female and about 6 months old and 3 feet. Please any clues? I'm gonna post a couple pics!

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6 months and already 3'? How are you feeding it? That's the size I'd expect of a boa twice that age. You sure it isn't older?

No I'm not sure just an assumption. But she eats 1 small rat every 7 days gonna move that to 5 she's a very aggressive feeder!(: but FULLY stretched out she touches 3 feet not real thick yet though... How old should a 3 foot red tail female be about?! I just got her about a month ago

I just talked to the pets tore and they had heard for at least 8 months in store but I don't know when they got her from the breeder or how long the breeder had her prior or anything like that. But she said around a year old. So yeah prolly a year you're right! It's my first boa..

If she's on small rats and a year old then don't feed more often than every seven days, and 10-14 days would be more appropriate. I also think she is older than a year, I have two that were born last summer (unrelated male and female) that are not even two feet yet. They get a jumbo mouse once every 14 days.

Boas should be slow-grown and they have slower metabolisms than ball pythons. They are also very aggressive and opportunistic feeders and will eat themselves to death if you let them.

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Looking at my pictures is it possible she's a hypo?

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No, she is not a hypo.

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If she's on small rats and a year old then don't feed more often than every seven days, and 10-14 days would be more appropriate. I also think she is older than a year, I have two that were born last summer (unrelated male and female) that are not even two feet yet. They get a jumbo mouse once every 14 days.

Boas should be slow-grown and they have slower metabolisms than ball pythons. They are also very aggressive and opportunistic feeders and will eat themselves to death if you let them.

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im gonna add more photos in "my photos" right now for you to check out. & she's not thick at all. I take her out and feed her once every week and she's still hungry a little while after eating so I have to let her calm down for like 20 mins before putting her back in her enclosure. Possible you have dwarfs?! Because I thought in their first year they can double in length.

The picture of her in her terrarium: the tank is 18 in in H if that helps

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im gonna add more photos in "my photos" right now for you to check out. & she's not thick at all. I take her out and feed her once every week and she's still hungry a little while after eating so I have to let her calm down for like 20 mins before putting her back in her enclosure. Possible you have dwarfs?! Because I thought in their first year they can double in length.

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In their second year they can double their size, but that doesn't mean it's best for them to do so.

To answer your question, my boa was a few months older than a year when he hit 3'. He was 2'7" after I had him a year, so I'd expect a 3' boa to be 1-1.5 years old.

This isn't exact but this is generally the growth rate you'd expect from a properly fed boa. They can be a foot longer or shorter and be healthy but will still be considered large for their age:

1 year: 2.5'-3'
2 years: 3'-4'
3 years: 4'-5'
4 years: 5'-6'

And they reach the biggest sizes at 6+ years. Again this is not exact, and I'm allowing for a larger size at each age to try to account for faster growing individuals.

You should be feeding in the enclosure, it's safer for you and the snake. You risk a regurge every time you move the snake after eating, and you risk getting bit since she's still in feeding mode. Their feeding response can last a few days.

Also, I don't know about you but moving a 6'-8' boa that's 10-30 lbs is not on my list of things I want to do.

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im gonna add more photos in "my photos" right now for you to check out. & she's not thick at all. I take her out and feed her once every week and she's still hungry a little while after eating so I have to let her calm down for like 20 mins before putting her back in her enclosure. Possible you have dwarfs?! Because I thought in their first year they can double in length.

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Actually I do have 1.2 Tarahumara dwarf locality boas, they are 2013's and the male is just three feet while the females are still under four feet.

My two yearlings have no dwarf lineage, the male is a ghost and the female is a hypo jaguar jungle.

Also you will want to feed in the enclosure for the reasons noted by CtB.

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Actually I do have 1.2 Tarahumara dwarf locality boas, they are 2013's and the male is just three feet while the females are still under four feet.

My two yearlings have no dwarf lineage, the male is a ghost and the female is a hypo jaguar jungle.

Also you will want to feed in the enclosure for the reasons noted by CtB.

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right before I got this one I had a 6 foot male. But i took him back because he had an RI when I got him. But I did feed him once while I had him. A jumbo rat. I took him out his enclosure and out him in a box to feed too. I've just always done this with my snakes. And once he was done I waited 15- 20 mins and like my new girl he was no longer interested in food and I was able to put him back in his big enclosure without getting bit or regurgitation. So I think if done properly and consistently I'll be fine. But really good points.

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right before I got this one I had a 6 foot male. But i took him back because he had an RI when I got him. But I did feed him once while I had him. A jumbo rat. I took him out his enclosure and out him in a box to feed too. I've just always done this with my snakes. And once he was done I waited 15- 20 mins and like my new girl he was no longer interested in food and I was able to put him back in his big enclosure without getting bit or regurgitation. So I think if done properly and consistently I'll be fine. But really good points.

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I'm not trying to harp on anything here or tell anyone they're wrong but I just wanted to put in my :2cent:. My BCi (or I guess Bi now. When did they change it?! I'm so out of the loop) female is about 7ft/15-ish lbs and usually very mellow-tempered. Now, she gets fed monthly and starting about the week before I can't hardly open the door without her trying to get all up in my face. She gets jumpy, jittery and tracks my hands. She only started doing this kind of stuff as she got older too.

But this is all just my experience. Your girl might end up completely different! :) She's very cute by the way!

I can copy and past a post of mine about separate feeding areas but I'm not up to it now.

If you kept HOTS this would not even be a topic.

If you had huge relics it would never up either.

Just feed in the cage. Snakes are not cage aggressive because of feeding. If they are hungry and you smell like prey you are fair game no matter where you feed them.

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I'm not trying to harp on anything here or tell anyone they're wrong but I just wanted to put in my :2cent:. My BCi (or I guess Bi now. When did they change it?! I'm so out of the loop) female is about 7ft/15-ish lbs and usually very mellow-tempered. Now, she gets fed monthly and starting about the week before I can't hardly open the door without her trying to get all up in my face. She gets jumpy, jittery and tracks my hands. She only started doing this kind of stuff as she got older too.

But this is all just my experience. Your girl might end up completely different! :) She's very cute by the way!

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Whoah! Something I'll def take into consideration as she gets older... Thank you for the compliment she really is a beauty and just such and amazing animal!

Hi. Is this a BBC or a BCI or a mix?

It is labelled as BC.

http://up.picr.de/30227248gc.jpg

Quoting myself from the other thread so it can all stay together:

If it was BCc it would be a cross, there was only one albino BCc that I am aware of from over 15 years ago and it never reproduced. Albino does not exist in BCc at this time.

I would ask the seller what percentage BC

Also you mentioned Kahl earlier which clearly points to it being BI or a BCxBI cross. Kahl is one of the two strains of albino in BI. Kahl, also called "original strain", was founded by the breeder Peter Kahl. Sharp strain was founded by the breeder Brian Sharp. Hope that info helps!
Your boa is very bright, especially in the tail, so it does look like a cross to me (or an over-saturated photo).

The photos I saw back in the day of the Surinam Bc Albino did not have the typical orange/peachy tones we see in BI (which are also in your boa), it was super brick red/white/pink. Again though, that male never did reproduce although he did court with females. No offspring came of it (at least nothing reported).

Thank you very much for your help. With cross because of the brightness of its tail - you mean BCC and BCI cross?

Yes. For clarification, you should ask the breeder that produced the snake.

Thanks. I asked the breeder and as I thought he said a mix.