How are they different from BPs?

I waaannnttt a Borneo short-tailed python :D. Or a blood, depends on the morph. I love how they look. I'm no snake expert---I've only had BPs for a year now. But I think we're doing pretty well. So I'm fairly confident in my BP caretaking skills. How different is the care for a bstp? Can they live in a t-8 for their whole lives? Anything else I should know? I'm going to an expo on the 24th and I just know that if anyone is selling bstp I'm going to be very tempted. . .

I love my Male, I do know the Females get larger than the Male's same thing with the Bloods my Male is a Granite Borneo Short tail and He lives up to his name which is Sargent, these guys are a lot different than the Balls, mine makes every move with a lot of power way more than a Ball Python, I love mine.

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They can be touchier about temps, more prone to respiratory issues so main thing is keeping your humidity good but not soaking the cage and temps not too hot or cold, my temps range from 79-82 and sometimes with a hotspot of 85. With a pvc cage, the right bedding and quality heating control that is easy enough to accomplish though. They prefer to be fully supported, more of a lap snake and are pretty vocal, hissing and huffing quite a bit. Usually calm down with age, babies can be jumpy and snappy. Good feeding response, one of mine prefers live, the rest eat anything put in front of them. I have four foot boaphiles for mine and hoping that will hold them for life, seems like they get 4-6 feet, 15-30 pounds as adults.

I would probably recommend really watching who you buy from-many are selling misidentified or hybrid short tails and there's always a lot of farm bred bloods that seem to have a poor reputation for health and attitude. Borneo's are fairly inexpensive and you can find a pretty nice one for a couple hundred online from a good breeder. Bloods you get what you pay for and in all cases it's best to see the parents since coloration changes with age and can vary so much.

I haven't found a lot of breeders online. . .any recommendations? Any good care sites you know of, with discussions on substrate and such?

Now, if it is misidentified or a hybrid, does this make a big difference? I'm just in it for the looks, lol. As long as it isn't a misidentified burm! ;) I'd be OK with a bstp/blood hybrid if that's what you mean. I'd actually love a Super Ball but I assume they're more expensive and harder to find.

If you are keeping it as a pet for life, no issue on hybrids, but most are against them for risk of diluting pure bloodlines as they change hands, especially those that are sold under the wrong label. People that breed them are not looked on with favor. They tend to be a muddy brownish in color from what I've seen in any case, not real attractive compared to a pure line. I haven't seen any superballs for sale so no idea what they go for.

VPI and The Blood Cell have good caresheets and high quality short tails/bloods. My bstp are from Nick @ Cold Blood Earth. Matt Jablonski, Rob Christian, Matt Minetola, Zack Green I've all seen selling some lately but at this point in the year you may be better off waiting for this year's babies.

well, for starters, they get a lot bigger.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...0040906_01.jpg

this borneo girl topped out at 30 lbs. are you ready for that? I got this snake as a hatchling about one year after I started keeping snakes. we got off to a bad start due to my inexperience and lack of knowledge about snake psychology. this may not be a popular opinion, but I suggest you get more snake experience before getting into bloods/borneos. they can be very defensive as youngsters. their care is not dramatically different than BPs. I keep bloods in the same room as BPs and use only ambient heating/humidity. They are enthusiastic feeders and there are no worries about extended hunger strikes. as others have noted, they are very vocal.

I do want a bigger snake, not huge. I love the fatness of burms, but no way am I equipped to handle a snake that size. I would get a male so it wouldn't get as large. . .but I do want a large/thick snake.

When you say "more snake experience", do you mean waiting until I've had the BPs for longer, or do you mean getting other species? There are only so many snakes I can have! ;)

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...When you say "more snake experience", do you mean waiting until I've had the BPs for longer, or do you mean getting other species? There are only so many snakes I can have! ;)

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both. I don't feel BPs are a good snake for learning to handle bigger/more temperamental snakes. they're just too chill. however, you can learn something about snake psychology keeping them. I don't know how many snakes you can keep, but if it's more than two, a couple of suggestions. #1) sumatran short tail would be a better choice than blood/borneo. they still get much larger than BPs and are more relaxed than bloods/borneos even as hatchlings. #2) a carpet python, maybe one of the "smaller" ssp, jungle/darwin/IJ. These snakes are far more active, curious and challenging than BPs. You'll learn a lot from these guys. They can also be quite nippy/defensive as babies, but they won't grow nearly as big nearly as fast as the snakes you're considering.

Just to be clear, borneos and bloods are great snakes that do grow to be calm snakes. I'm not trying to support the myth that they are "aggressive" snakes. They're just not as forgiving of husbandry/handling errors as many other species. if you are limited to a small number of snakes, you need to choose your species wisely. try to find an opportunity to handle adults of the species your considering. there are countless species of great snakes in all sizes. often newcomers to our hobby want one of everything (I know I did), or the cool snake they saw today, or something bigger. too often this leads to a negative experience for both the keeper and the kept. there's no rush to get the next one, especially when you can keep only a small collection.

Weren't all 3 short-tailed pythons considered the same species at first? Are the Sumatrans really that different? I don't like their dark coloring but if they have different morphs I'd be willing. I don't like carpet pythons though---too skinny ;). The only other snake I really want is a boa; I love red-tails, but they get too big for me so preferably I'd want a locality like Pearl Island or Hogg Island. I need a snake who can live in a T-8 or similarly-sized enclosure.

I already have 2 BPs and don't want more than 4 snakes total. . .so I have to be choosy!

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Weren't all 3 short-tailed pythons considered the same species at first? Are the Sumatrans really that different? I don't like their dark coloring but if they have different morphs I'd be willing. I don't like carpet pythons though---too skinny ;). The only other snake I really want is a boa; I love red-tails, but they get too big for me so preferably I'd want a locality like Pearl Island or Hogg Island. I need a snake who can live in a T-8 or similarly-sized enclosure.

I already have 2 BPs and don't want more than 4 snakes total. . .so I have to be choosy!

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I'm not very experienced with bloods but from what I've seen they can be a handful and they aren't forgiving if you make any mistakes. Maybe you should get a smaller sized boa species. Maybe look into blood boas, leopard boas or dumerils boas, though they can get kinda big. I'd almost recommend something like a rainbow boa but they aren't as heavy bodied and their care is a little more advanced.

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Weren't all 3 short-tailed pythons considered the same species at first? Are the Sumatrans really that different? I don't like their dark coloring but if they have different morphs I'd be willing.

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yes, they were. there's a reason they got reclassified, they're not the same. Sumatrans will not grow to the size of the other two. They are considerably more relaxed in my experience. the only sumatran morph is caramel albino.

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I don't like carpet pythons though---too skinny ;)

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to each their own, I consider morelia to be the greatest of all snakes!

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The only other snake I really want is a boa; I love red-tails, but they get too big for me so preferably I'd want a locality like Pearl Island or Hogg Island. I need a snake who can live in a T-8 or similarly-sized enclosure

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you might want to consider a male BCI since bigger is better (but not too big). I think that would be a better choice than blood/borneo.

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yes, they were. there's a reason they got reclassified, they're not the same. Sumatrans will not grow to the size of the other two. They are considerably more relaxed in my experience. the only sumatran morph is caramel albino.



to each their own, I consider morelia to be the greatest of all snakes!


you might want to consider a male BCI since bigger is better (but not too big). I think that would be a better choice than blood/borneo.

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I do agree with the male BCI. I wanted a Boa, but not one quite as large as a Colombian yet. I ended up choosing a Nicaraguan and he's quite a handful. They stay small but from my experience have huge attitudes (I assume they're more nervous due to their small size).

I didn't have much snake experience when I got short tails, I'd had my ball pythons several years, added a hognose, then a SSTP (then a blood, then two borneos lol). The sumatran is the calmest of my short tails but I don't think you would have to start with one of those, you just need to be honest with yourself if you can handle a snappy baby, realizing they grow fast and be willing to work with it while young and small so you are comfortable handling. My female borneo is a dream, once you make clear you aren't food, but the male is a jumpy stressed out spazz, my blood is touchy in the cage but better once he's out.

There are chrome head or orange head sstp that do not get as dark and show more pattern, if you do decide on a sstp but don't want an all black snake. I am limited on space for snakes also so fairly picky on what I add too, I made a leap into short tails and another leap into boas with a 5.5' BC, sounds like we have similar taste! Not much chance to see or experience variety up here so just did my research like you are.

Ha, yep, must have similar tastes---I love hognoses, too, but am a bit scared off by their apparent eating issues. Except for hoggies (such cute faces!), I like snakes with distinct heads and a fair amount of thickness. And, yeah, not much variety to see in The Great White North, so I have to take the internet's word for it :D.

I'm not even sure if there will be bloods/BSTP at the expo (in Council Bluffs/Omaha). The vendor list did have bloods on it but last year it was mostly BPs, Bearded Dragons, and Leopard geckos :/. Or maybe all the rarer critters were gone because I got there late. This year I'll be there first thing in the morning! Then I'll see what kind of variety they really have.

My Blood is from Cold Blooded earth (Nick) you can't go wrong his Lines are really nice.

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I didn't have much snake experience when I got short tails, I'd had my ball pythons several years, added a hognose, then a SSTP (then a blood, then two borneos lol).

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several years isn't the same as one year

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... you just need to be honest with yourself if you can handle a snappy baby, realizing they grow fast and be willing to work with it while young and small so you are comfortable handling.

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yes, honest with yourself. but the question isn't "can you deal with a snappy baby?" the question is "can you deal with, and are you prepared to properly care for a 30 lb snake?"

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...so just did my research like you are.

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and that's the way to go! I like posts like this a lot better than I like the endless "I got this snake x months ago and have no clue" posts

I Love my Blood and Borneo I Love my Balls and I Love my Boas, I like how you have approached This, If your heart is set On A Short Tail then do it you have thought this thru , My First Borneo took me by surprise with his power even with me waiting a year after I wanted one nothing like hands on experience lol . I have built a good relationship with my Borneo Short Tail and My Blood I respect what they are a powerful Snake that mostly Sits around . Of my two the Borneo Sarge is the most aggressive , My Blood maxwell is really a kind awesome kicked back kinda guy.. I also have Boas but they could not fill the gap of what I love about Bloods and short tails , I hope I'm making sense here lol. My Golden Rule for my self is Get education on the Animal and I think your on the right track.. And Hands on education will come , My Baby Borneo and I grew and learned togather..

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If I can add my two cents;

Sumatran Short Tails seem like they're generally a bit easier to get along with than bloods and borneos. They *seem* like they'd be a really good stepping stone to larger constrictors.


I was in an even worse position before getting a short tail. My only snake experience before my SSTP were rubber boas and one baby sand boa. The shorty was really rough to work with for the first couple of months, but now, however, the SSTP is very pleasant and has given me enough confidence to get an argentine boa.

I'd definitely say that the short-tails are better entry-level "bigger snakes" than the big boas, even if they aren't necessarily better behaved. that's just my limited experience though.