Het Pied? Ringers?

Okay gonna go ahead and ask a "noob" question once again. What are Ringers in Het Pieds? What does a Ringer look like? I have googled images and it comes up with thousands of different photos. I went through post on here for about 30 minutes and only found people talking about "Ringers don't guarantee Het Pied". These photos are of some babies I found on craigslist. I just don't wanna get taken.

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Here is a good example of a ringer. He's a fire that is NOT het pied.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...1/Firemale.jpg

^---- That right there is a great ringer. :gj::gj:

Here's another ringer that did prove to be het pied. She's a cinnamon lesser het pied.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...nLesserPHP.jpg

As far as I understand ringers can be any morph that just happen to have a white band somewhere on the body and might have nothing to do with the pied gene.

"het Pied markers" are a better indication from my experience but also not 100%. Maybe you can ask to see the parents in person before you buy anything het from craigslist.

I don't see any ringers on any of the photos from the craigslist post. Guess the only way to truly tell is to know the sire and dam...

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Great pictures

I think you're talking about het pied 'markers' not ringers. The markers are solid black lines along the edges of the belly near the tail. I have had 100% het pieds without these markers, but often times if they do have the markers they end up het for pied (but again not in every case). I think for the most part it is consensus that the 'markers' aren't a great indicator and when it comes to het pied you need to trust your breeder.

Here is a 100% het pied I had a while back with the most complete set of het pied markers I've ever seen to give you an idea of what I mean by black lines along the belly. In this case they ran the whole length of body almost although usually the markers are just the last 1/4 of the body.

http://orig05.deviantart.net/9df4/f/...ry-d6lw59i.jpg

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I think you're talking about het pied 'markers' not ringers. The markers are solid black lines along the edges of the belly near the tail. I have had 100% het pieds without these markers, but often times if they do have the markers they end up het for pied (but again not in every case). I think for the most part it is consensus that the 'markers' aren't a great indicator and when it comes to het pied you need to trust your breeder.

Here is a 100% het pied I had a while back with the most complete set of het pied markers I've ever seen to give you an idea of what I mean by black lines along the belly. In this case they ran the whole length of body almost although usually the markers are just the last 1/4 of the body.

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Thanks so much this helped tons..

No prob! Good luck!

If you want to buy 100% het pied do yourself a favor and buy from a REPUTABLE breeder that will guarantee the genetics of the animal you are purchasing, craigslist sellers are here today to pocket your money and gone tomorrow ;)

Makers and ringer are never 100% and animals should not be bought based on markers or lack there of.

Thanks Deb

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Well I went ahead and picked them up. If they prove out bonus. If not I love normies too. Also picked up an Enchi for the wife. She quickly named him wormie, get it? http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...6acbd90477.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...5378b632f4.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...dc90a54878.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...161d94fd05.jpg

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That last one does have a very slight ringer (not just marker)! I love that one! Good pick up het for pied or not!

The first snake is underweight as for the second can you post a picture close up in natural light and in focus?

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The first snake is underweight as for the second can you post a picture close up in natural light and in focus?

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Sorry just got this message. I'll try to take some photos in the day light. Which snakes are you talking about cause there are 3?

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The first picture you posted after you got them. That snake looks deflated.

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The first picture you posted after you got them. That snake looks deflated.

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Okay I'll try to get better pictures.

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Okay yall, I spent the morning really going over the 3 new additions. The female had a super bad stuck shed on her head. It seemed like there were at least 3 layers and took quite a long to safely remove. She seems happier here are new pictures of Sally.[IMG]http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...315_131057.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...315_131112.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...315_131127.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...315_122804.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...315_122726.jpg[/IMG]

Here is the male het. He they are 4 months old and he is way under weight. 61 grams [IMG]http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...5_122904_1.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...315_131225.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...315_131213.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...315_131202.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...5_131120_1.jpg[/IMG]

And here is the Male 2 year old Enchi. He had stuck shed near his tail, and what appears to be a small injury received during shed. He looks much happier here. Not sure how long he sat at the pet store but I got a great deal on him. [IMG]http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...315_131402.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...315_125649.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...55c2ac4302.jpg[/IMG]