Mixing Lines??

Hi guys.

I'm asking this question because in the past few weeks i have seen a couple of Renowned Breeders posting Combos that I always though as for the lack of a better word, "line killer". I'm speaking about 8Balls (Black Pastel - Cinnamon), some BELs made of Lesser - Butter etc etc etc. My question is, Am I been melodramatic about this combos? I would never mix a Black Pastel with Cinnamon or a Butter with a Lesser or a Coral Glow with a Banana ECT nor would I buy from some one who to my knowledge is making those combos. What are your thoughts about that.

Thank you

If you don't like or want then don't buy the combo.
I don't see the problem with them.

Of course I would not buy those combos and also i would not judge anyone who do, But if I want to keep lines pure and produce for a example a GARGOYLE or a Black Pewter, both which are made with Black Pastel you can't use an 8ball, you see that's the problem, or at lease is for me. If people like you don't have a problem with that, fine, I just wanted to know your opinion about this. Thanks for you input.

The way I see it, there are sooo many animals out there. It's really of no consequence to me at all what others do in their projects. So maybe just a little melodramatic lol

Hey Cristacake, that's one of the possibilities, me been melodramatic LOL it could be.

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Originally Posted by Javier Del Valle

Hi guys.

nor would I buy from some one who to my knowledge is making those combos. What are your thoughts about that.

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Sounds a bit dramatic to not buy from a breeder for this reason alone.

Well yeah, you have your reasons to buy or not to buy from a specific breeder and I have mine. I for once want to be sure of what are you selling me. I want to be sure that you are selling me a Butter and not a Lesser for example, wouldn't you?

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Originally Posted by Javier Del Valle

Well yeah, you have your reasons to buy or not to buy from a specific breeder and I have mine. I for once want to be sure of what are you selling me. I want to be sure that you are selling me a Butter and not a Lesser for example, wouldn't you?

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Personally, no. I couldn't care less if it's called Butter or Lesser, I can't spot the difference.

"Personally, no. I couldn't care less if it's called Butter or Lesser, I can't spot the difference."

Precisely.

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Originally Posted by Javier Del Valle

Well yeah, you have your reasons to buy or not to buy from a specific breeder and I have mine. I for once want to be sure of what are you selling me. I want to be sure that you are selling me a Butter and not a Lesser for example, wouldn't you?

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There is a difference between buying a combo and buying animals with a production goal.
IF you are wanting to buy x and y to make z I would assume you already knew what you were looking at and for.
That is all part of the game.
If you don't know what you are buying then that is just as much on you as a breeder saying its something its not.
My Lesser Mojave (BEL) is just that until I breed her and prove there is or isn't Pastel in the mix.
Honesty.
That's good enough for people like me.

If you think you can spot the difference between a Butter and Lesser... congrats. ;) Unfortunately that's still not fool proof or guaranteed, and not many will take your word for it anyway. Butter and Lesser has probably been interchanged so much that what the breeder tells you should be taken with a grain of salt unless you're buying from someone that produced the original line or someone that has purchased from the original line and has been meticulous throughout the years. If you don't want to buy from someone that breeds a Butter to a Lesser, then don't. :gj:

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

There is a difference between buying a combo and buying animals with a production goal.
IF you are wanting to buy x and y to make z I would assume you already knew what you were looking at and for.
That is all part of the game.
If you don't know what you are buying then that is just as much on you as a breeder saying its something its not.
My Lesser Mojave (BEL) is just that until I breed her and prove there is or isn't Pastel in the mix.
Honesty.
That's good enough for people like me.

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Yeah but a Lesser Mojave is not the same as a Lesser Butter, you can distinguish a Mojave from a Lesser, but that task is not that easy (some say impossible) with a Butter and a Lesser so if i want to work with a Butter project, my choice is not go to a breeder who has those lines mixed because at the end the breeder could be selling you a Lesser saying it's a Butter because at the end, both morphs are in most case undistinguished. The same happens with the Cinnamon and Black Pastel etc etc etc.

I understand someone who says that they don't have any problem with those lines been mixed, but no one can tell me that there is no problem with that issue and for example you can work in a Black Pastel project using and 8ball for example.

I'm a bit confused why Black Pastel and Cinnamon are making this list....those are 2 different genes.

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Originally Posted by Galaxygirl

If you think you can spot the difference between a Butter and Lesser... congrats. ;) Unfortunately that's still not fool proof or guaranteed, and not many will take your word for it anyway. Butter and Lesser has probably been interchanged so much that what the breeder tells you should be taken with a grain of salt unless you're buying from someone that produced the original line or someone that has purchased from the original line and has been meticulous throughout the years. If you don't want to buy from someone that breeds a Butter to a Lesser, then don't. :gj:

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No I CAN'T and that's precisely my point. That's why I don't want them mixed.

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Originally Posted by Javier Del Valle

I understand someone who says that they don't have any problem with those lines been mixed, but no one can tell me that there is no problem with that issue and for example you can work in a Black Pastel project using and 8ball for example.

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Black Pastel and Cinnys are very easy to tell apart. You may need to start looking at better quality animals.
As far as Butter and Lesser, they are basically the same gene with two different names.
I would steer more away from all these normal with new names. LoL

Yes you are.

CG and Banana are the same animal that come from different lines same for lesser and butter.

Would you think twice about buying a pastel? I can tell you that if you buy a Pastel it is probably a mix of various lines (Graziani, Nerd etc), same with Cinnies (Gulf Coast Reptiles, Ian G, Graziany etc), very few people have pure lines or even know the line they have.

I am a control freak and keep track of lines for all my projects, some I mix some I don't, sometimes mixing lines allows you to achieve an even better looking animal (That's called selective breeding), for example my best looking Hypo combos are a mix of 3 different lines and I can tell you that so long the animal is compatible if the animal is a great example people do not mind mixing lines.







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