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  • 04-12-2005, 04:47 PM
    Marla
    Don't shoot the cat ...
    Apparently Wisconsin is considering adding feral cats to the list of animals it's ok for any licensed hunter to kill, as South Dakota and Minnesota have allowed for decades. While feral cats are a real problem, this sounds like a big invitation to shoot any cat without a collar. I've already lost two cats in my life to people with more firepower than sense -- both on my own property, too.

    http://dontshootthecat.com/
  • 04-12-2005, 05:05 PM
    daniel1983
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    I am a big supporter of hunting animals to reduce populations for numerous reasons.

    But when idiots start to shoot peoples pets, everything is getting out of hand.

    There was a nice piece of land that the local farmer would let us drive across to get to one of our deer hunting spots. This went on for years never any problems. Then one day...some idoit shot and killed one of his horses thinking it was a deer (i dont know how you could confuse the two). This would have never taken place if this person would have just followed the rules and hunted where he was supposed to hunt.

    It is the stupid and ignorant people that give good hunters a bad name. Not all hunters are ignorant drunken gun wielding psycopaths that set the woods on fire and kill bambi's mom. Just remember that some of us are good guys that do what is right. :)
  • 04-12-2005, 05:09 PM
    montie420
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    first of all it would not be people pets, the law says "an animal that does not have a collar and does not appear to be friendly" or something of that mannor

    second cats are HUGELY detrimental to the environment, unlike other animals that kill for food cats just kill for fun.

    third hunting cats has been legalized in other states for decades with out it being an issue.
  • 04-12-2005, 05:18 PM
    daniel1983
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by montie420
    first of all it would not be people pets, the law says "an animal that does not have a collar and does not appear to be friendly" or something of that mannor

    second cats are HUGELY detrimental to the environment, unlike other animals that kill for food cats just kill for fun.

    third hunting cats has been legalized in other states for decades with out it being an issue.


    Yes...but Marla was saying that several incidents have happened to her where cats were killed by people. To some people the law says "an animal that does not have a collar and does not appear to be friendly" and to some it say "open season on all cats". Just because it is a law does not mean people will follow it exactly.

    I agree...the cats are very detrimental to the environment. I dont know about the killing for fun... but I have heard reports of bird, frog, and lizard populations in an area greatly decreasing in the presence of large amounts of wild cats.

    It was definately an issue when the laws were getting passed. Do you really think animal rights groups would allow something like this to get passed unopposed?
  • 04-12-2005, 05:33 PM
    mlededee
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    just because a cat isn't wearing a collar doesn't mean that it isn't someone's pet. and how can you judge whether a cat is friendly or not? most strays are shy, and may not actively seek interaction with people but that certainly doesn't make them unfriendly. feral cats do not do a whole lot of killing for fun. they are killing for food just like other wild animals. if your pet got out and someone shot it how would you feel about that? hunting and shooting feral cats just to get rid of them are too completely different things. if this is legalized what will they do next? decide that if you are a licensed hunter you have the right to shoot your neighbor because they had an unfortunate upbringing and weren't ever given a chance to make it in life? (yes i am going overboard here, but i make my point.)
  • 04-12-2005, 05:55 PM
    daniel1983
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    I see a different side of things because I am a hunter and I am also from Louisiana. Louisiana actually has a bounty on nutria rats. They cause so much damage to areas that they are actually hunted for money, pelts, food, etc. I have pet cats and would be heartbroken if something were to happen to them. But when an animal is released into the wild in an area where it is not originally from and is hurting the environment, I see no problem with getting rid of them (although, I really like the idea of the animals actually being used for something).

    Mel, I respect your point about saving all of the cats, but at what cost. These animals are greatly harming populations of native anoles, toads, and birds. If your neighbor with the "unfortunate upbringing" were to break into your house and kill your family, would you not want him to be killed before he could do so?

    there are two sides to everything, both are always right and both are always wrong. Great topic.
  • 04-12-2005, 06:05 PM
    mlededee
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    good point about the neighbors daniel, but shooting him or her still isn't the best solution in my opinion, even though i would sure want to.

    i like cats. i HATE it that there are so many strays. however, i don't think that the solution is to allow hunters to shoot them. the purpose of hunting is to get food or hides, etc.--generally the hunter uses the animal he kills in some way. shooting a cat is not hunting. it is shooting the animal for the purpose of killing it and nothing more. i don't want some kid stalking around the dumpster outside my apartment at night hoping to nail a few cats. a better solution would be to trap the cats and euthanize them. i hate the thought of it but i feel it is a much better solution than allowing people to shoot them.
  • 04-12-2005, 06:15 PM
    Anthony83
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    WoW thats completely stupid.....Yeah It takes a real skillfull hunter to track down and shoot a stray cat somebody break out the trophies.
  • 04-12-2005, 06:17 PM
    xdeus
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mlededee
    shooting a cat is not hunting. it is shooting the animal for the purpose of killing it and nothing more.

    Hmmm... would you feel different if they were used for Burm or Retic meals? I find it interesting that people will defend one life yet justify the killing of another. People kill feral cats to protect the environment and other species and people kill rodents to feed to their pet snakes. What makes one right and the other wrong?
  • 04-12-2005, 06:33 PM
    Anthony83
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    What effects do the cats really have on the enviornment is it really that serious
    what happened to trapping them and putting them to sleep. and for people who own cats arent you supposed to have the cat fixed if you do not want kittens. I know we had alot of strays in our neigborhood we thought the did us a favor they kept the mice away.
  • 04-12-2005, 07:08 PM
    Jeanne
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    I was a board member and rescue coordinator for a small animal rescue, you would be shocked at the laws that are out there. Not many of them are well thought through to be honest. While I agree that feral cats do pose a problem not just to the local wild life but also the homes/ppl they end up pushed out to live around when no one wants to care for them or they have all kinds of babies so thats thier way of getting rid of the problem cause they feel cats can live on their own (total crap- eventually they get sick and die even on thier own b/c they are not protected from so many things); cant tell ya how many feral cats I counted in the cold and snow this winter that now look really sick. I do feel there must be a way to limit the amount of feral cats or cats turned out on thier own humanely. The problem is, like locally here in Mansfield, animal control does not think it is possible for a person to own a cat, they will tell you that a cat owns you... even at that, you are responsible for that cat, but our laws dont see it that way. There are no enforceable laws locally regarding cats, not thier removal when feral- nothing. So, unfortunately, many ppl around here have taken it upon thierselves to "dispose" of the cats because even just 2 feral cats on your property can make ALOT more very quickly. Feral kittens are often times very hard to catch but local animal control wont do it, b/c it means they must find placement for them. The good thing is, the places that take the time to round up feral kittens and babies that need nursing and baby type care are much more likely to be successfully integrated into a home as a pet/companion animal once properly socialized. Unfortunately, there is not many resources locally here to do this sort of thing. Bottom line, ppl get those cute kittens and when it is almost grown and not litter trained, ppl throw them out to fend for themselves, it all really boils down to responsible ownership. Although, at times I wonder if my local animal control leaves things as is because for those that are adamant about getting rid of the feral animals, they charge $50 deposit per human trap, and then they want you to pay $25 to turn the animal in.... hows that for sticking it to ya?You do all the hard work, plus put out all that $ and they dont do anything but euthanize feral cats around here immediately. When I was heavily involved with Border Animal Patrol, we had so many cats that were feral, we ended up using a piece of property that was donated by another board member and making a feral cat sanctuary where the cats were given vaccines, any meds neccessary, a nice place to live out their lives with plenty of food and as much human contact as possible with the ones who wanted it-- in exchange for being spayed of neutered. It was the best we could do. The ones that were too sick to care for already because what ever they had was too advanced or were just too mean, we euthanized. We even found homes for quite a few much later. But the elderly cats usually stayed with us till the day they passed. This seems to be a problem in alot of places with cats, I am not sure what the solution is, but there has got to be something.
  • 04-12-2005, 07:18 PM
    daniel1983
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    trapping would be awesome. euthanize the cats, sell them to biology classes nationwide and help fund some animal rescue programs. :)
  • 04-13-2005, 01:12 AM
    mlededee
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by xdeus
    Hmmm... would you feel different if they were used for Burm or Retic meals? I find it interesting that people will defend one life yet justify the killing of another. People kill feral cats to protect the environment and other species and people kill rodents to feed to their pet snakes. What makes one right and the other wrong?

    i am not saying that it is wrong to want to get rid of feral cats, i'm saying that i don't think that shooting them is the way to do it. as far as feeding them to large snakes--i'm not sure how nutritious of a meal a scrawny parasite infested cat would make. you have to realize that, by and large, the rodents that are used to feed our pet snakes were bred and raised to be food and i really wouldn't want my snake to eat anything that wasn't raised specifically for food purposes. anyhow, that has little if anything to do with feral cats. my point is just that i think it is a bad idea to legalize the shooting of stray cats and that shooting a cat does not qualify as hunting.
  • 04-13-2005, 11:25 AM
    Marla
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    I thought this news might stir up some interesting conversation. There are some organizations around here that trap feral cats, and if they pass an external health observation, they are fixed and released. The ones clearly suffering from injuries or disease are put down. That may still cause songbird, anole, etc., populations to dip, but it's a lot more humane than shooting the animals, doesn't require funding for feeding and housing them, and prevents those particular animals from reproducing more feral cats. It's not a perfect solution either, but if someone's housecat got caught by mistake, the worst that's likely to happen is that they get fixed, which they should be anyway. I am not trying to say that all hunters are mean or dumb or anything, but there are enough who are one or the other or who have other issues such as poor eyesight or being drunk that I can virtually guarantee some other poor cat owners will find poor Fluffy shot to death. Many cats are skilled at removing collars, and many are shy and would exhibit "unfriendly" behavior if approached. I know for sure of three cats belonging to my neighbors who would qualify and have been in my yard this week. If I were a cat-hater with a gun, I could make the argument that I thought they were feral and shoot them.
  • 04-13-2005, 08:46 PM
    Egyptian_Sphynx
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    this is a very interesting conversation, but i can not choose a side. both have excellent points ... if we wouldnt have messed with the enviornment then we would not be put in such a conflicting area of discussion. the cats didnt ask to be there yet the surrounding wildlife is suffering because human beings first put them there. to get everything back in order (which is highly needed for the environment ) is a must, and sometimes it hurts one side or the other's feelings. simply put dont blame the hunters side or the cat deffenders side you should blame the people that did not take care of their animals ... it is normally always the human race that does this. sorry if i offended anyone with this but i find that there are alot of people that get something (live or just an object) then within a month they want to throw it out. shoot just the other day at work someone dropped off a box outside the door and in it was a baby bunny with no food water or anything to keep warm. lets face it some of the human race is creul to animals. just my opinion though.
  • 04-14-2005, 05:11 AM
    wendy
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    ok.....here's a scenerio (now where's that spell checker button?!?) i live in small town of like a 100 if we are lucky. we are also in the middle of the woods. ppl feel free to drop thier cats and dogs off around here.(sad huh)
    as for the dogs....if they don't end up as roadkill, someone will either take them in or to the pound.
    thankfully, these feral cats live @ the other end of town(away from me). there is this woman feeds them, thinking she is doing the world a favor.
    it was the spring of '03, i was looking for a kitten. so i called this girl who feeds them, and asked her about any kittens. thats when she told me about this calico that someone dropped off along w/ an orange tiger(which was struck by a car 8(..).she also said those kittens r toooo wild! so i went down to check out this cat, and boy was she pretty! friendliest cat i ever met in my life! very outgoing, just a really neat great cat. buuuuut, she was like five or six months old already and i wanted a kitten (like 5 or 6 weeks!). so i left her there. i told my daughter about her, next thing she brings her home. i told her the only way she can stay is if she is litter trained. she wasn't here 5 minutes and used the litterbox.( i was all set up ready for one) i didn't know this, but, every calico cat is female ....there r no male calicoes. how bout that? so the vet tells me anyway.
    there is this site friendsforanimals.org or something and you can buy a "certificate" cheap and find a participating vet in you rarea to spay or neuter your cat. cool huh, so i did. this cat kinda remembers where she came from bcuz she seems to really appreciate her home here. sounds crazy, but it's true! everyone loves her!
    well that didn't satisfy my kitten quest, so i ended up with my jungle cat hybrid. got her on fauna classifieds, had her flown in. niether of my cats are declawed (another cano'worms) only bcuz they are gentle when they play, and really don't destroy anything so they can keep em. back to my story.....
    one of my nieghbors traps the feral cats and has them vet-checked @ her exspence.......that would be the day. but she has been workin' alot lately and hasn't had time to continue her efforts. therefore these cats keep breeding and breeding and breeding..........
    this same nieghbor found another nieghbors cat badly beaten by the feral tom, which also contracted fhiv and some other diasese...(where's that spell checker button?...hehe) and had to be euthinized (spell checker?!?). my other nieghbors cat is older, set in her ways, and doesn't use a litterbox, but just goes outside. she too, has been badly beaten and has contracted fhiv and some other feline disease, she didn't have to be put down.
    there is no doubt these cats r a threat to the community! the local spca won't come and get them outta here, they say there is just toooooo many . when you go down by where they live they r everywhere...literally. like they should make a movie....the cats. they come out of the trees, it's quite spoooooky actually @ how fast you become surrounded by them....they r not @ all friendly they won't let ya get close. they look sick.....thier eyes r all yucky and some have battle wounds and scars. its quite sad.
    my delema is i can't let my cats outside @ all but when i do it is supervized. but still the fear is there. so, my question is..... would it be bad to take the ar 15 down there w/ a couple 30 round clips and play exterminator? wwyd? (what would you do?) i also like to let my dog run, but can't bcuz if he gets ahold of one of them mangy cats god knows what he could contract....thats not the only reason, we have alot of other critters around that i wouldn't want him to get ahold of (bears, rabbits, squirrels, oposums, porqupines, raccoons, groundhogs, foxes, turkey etc.,etc.....you get the idea......) would it be so wrong to shoot them? the longer we live and let live the more they become many...

    p.s. the rabbit pop hasn't been what it used to be......
  • 04-14-2005, 09:36 AM
    mlededee
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    but who is going to shoot them? and is it going to be a one time thing or an anytime thing? is the person shooting the cats going to make sure that they are dead and not laying somewhere suffering until they finally die? if anyone can shoot them anytime they want then your cats are still not safe going outside because then they run the risk of being shot themselves. i totally agree on the fact that something does need to be done but i think allowing people to shoot cats is risky, unsafe, and possibly inhumane. maybe trapping and euthanizing them is a better method. but the main problem is that no matter what method is chosen there will always be feral cats. people will continue to dump their pets and/or their pet's offspring and those abandoned animals will reproduce and the cycle will continue. it's another one of those problems that people themselves are the cause of and yet no real solution will ever be had because people will not stop being the cause of the problem.
  • 04-14-2005, 02:00 PM
    MacWin
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    Reminds me of a article I read where the Park rangers in Florida are having trouble with Burms, that have been released by people, breeding and how they are taking away resources from the native animals. But they also said they are providing a new food source for the gators.
  • 04-15-2005, 07:36 AM
    wendy
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mlededee
    but who is going to shoot them? and is it going to be a one time thing or an anytime thing? is the person shooting the cats going to make sure that they are dead and not laying somewhere suffering until they finally die? if anyone can shoot them anytime they want then your cats are still not safe going outside because then they run the risk of being shot themselves. i totally agree on the fact that something does need to be done but i think allowing people to shoot cats is risky, unsafe, and possibly inhumane. maybe trapping and euthanizing them is a better method. but the main problem is that no matter what method is chosen there will always be feral cats. people will continue to dump their pets and/or their pet's offspring and those abandoned animals will reproduce and the cycle will continue. it's another one of those problems that people themselves are the cause of and yet no real solution will ever be had because people will not stop being the cause of the problem.

    well i sure couldn't...and i wouldn't want to see them suffer......its not thier fault. its a shame too cuz some of them have really pretty colors. but on the other hand, if this population is wiped out,by whichever method, and iresponsible people continue to dump animals, it would be alot easier to keep them in check. and if that goof will stop feeding them, thats probly why they don't get shot, cuz of that hoarder! they are her babies! wonder how she would feel if we all start sending her vet bills!
    you r right, my cats still aren't safe...but... we all kind of have an understanding....like if my fox got loose, i would email my nieghbor, yo, copper is loose. then email him back when the fox came home. andfox would be off the market. but we get alot of atv,jeep, and dirtbike traffic, whose to say they wouldn't shoot?
  • 04-15-2005, 08:23 AM
    BallPythonBabe448
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    I have had my cat my ENTIRE life. He's basically my brother. I had his mother, his dad, his uncle, is other uncle, and is grandpa (all cats). (as you probably figured out I used to have alot of cats and we bred them). We also had some of his brothers and sisters. He went through a horror story when he was a kitten. I went to work with my dad, and when we came home there was blood and fur all over the floor, including a majority of the kittens were dead . We searched the house and the mom cat couldn't be found. Well, we finally gave up searching for her and the remaining kittens hoping that she ran away from whatever happened and took the remaining kittens with her. I opened my dresser droor, and there was Quazi and a few other kittens. The mother cat was never found and we still don't know what happened to the cats that day or if the mom cat was killed or if she ran away. Well one of his uncles was bitten by a snake and was killed. His other uncle was attacked by a raccoon and had his back torn out, so we had him put to sleep. The grandpa cat shared a food bowl with the uncle that was attacked by a raccoon, so the vet told us we need to put him to sleep too incase of rabies. (plus grandpa cat had feline aids and wasn't doing so well)

    So, now we only have one cat.

    He's a huge cat, he probably weighs 20 pounds. We have tried all his life to get him to wear collars and tags, but he always was able to take them off. He roams around, and he's a nice cat so everyone pets him and enjoy's him.

    Well what if they passed this law and my cat was shot because he "didn't have a collar"?

    I don't think shooting is the way to go.

    I think everyone should have the right to put out a trap, and if they catch a cat with no collar then they should take it to the humane society and if no one claims it, then if its nice adopt it out, or if its like ferocious then euthenize it.
  • 04-15-2005, 08:28 AM
    daniel1983
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    another point I would like to bring up.

    Everyone is talking about how much they love their house cats (I do too :) ) but wild cats can be deadly to a house cat. As far as I know cats are territorial animals, so if you let you cat out one evening to roam the yard there is no telling what wild cats it may encounter. I can just imagine my fat ol house cat going up against a hardened wild cat. She would not stand a chance. Just something for thought.
  • 04-15-2005, 08:52 AM
    wendy
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    yeah, but what if you like to take a siesta in your back yard and let the cats out too. why should they be denied the simple pleasures in life, of sunshine and a warm breeze?
    they say indoor cats r just that......meant for indoors...so they say.
  • 04-15-2005, 10:00 AM
    daniel1983
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    thats what I was saying. We let our inside cat outside every now and then. Say we are having our siesta in the back yard, the cat is out and wanders into some wild cats territory in your yard (or neighbors yard if you dont have a big yard). I have seen wild cats fight before....it is not pretty :( . I think that decreasing the population of non-local wild cats (by what means...I dont know) would be great for the health of other animals.
  • 04-15-2005, 10:06 AM
    wendy
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BallPythonBabe448
    I have had my cat my ENTIRE life. He's basically my brother. I had his mother, his dad, his uncle, is other uncle, and is grandpa (all cats). (as you probably figured out I used to have alot of cats and we bred them). We also had some of his brothers and sisters. He went through a horror story when he was a kitten. I went to work with my dad, and when we came home there was blood and fur all over the floor, including a majority of the kittens were dead . We searched the house and the mom cat couldn't be found. Well, we finally gave up searching for her and the remaining kittens hoping that she ran away from whatever happened and took the remaining kittens with her. I opened my dresser droor, and there was Quazi and a few other kittens. The mother cat was never found and we still don't know what happened to the cats that day or if the mom cat was killed or if she ran away. Well one of his uncles was bitten by a snake and was killed. His other uncle was attacked by a raccoon and had his back torn out, so we had him put to sleep. The grandpa cat shared a food bowl with the uncle that was attacked by a raccoon, so the vet told us we need to put him to sleep too incase of rabies. (plus grandpa cat had feline aids and wasn't doing so well)

    So, now we only have one cat.

    He's a huge cat, he probably weighs 20 pounds. We have tried all his life to get him to wear collars and tags, but he always was able to take them off. He roams around, and he's a nice cat so everyone pets him and enjoy's him.

    Well what if they passed this law and my cat was shot because he "didn't have a collar"?

    I don't think shooting is the way to go.

    I think everyone should have the right to put out a trap, and if they catch a cat with no collar then they should take it to the humane society and if no one claims it, then if its nice adopt it out, or if its like ferocious then euthenize it.

    that is horrible, absolutley devastating!
    years ago.....a cat of mine was bitten by a snake, @ least i thinkso. i was @ the shore w/ some friends, came home my old cat was sick, foundtwo fang marks in her. my bf said he had her out in the yard for a while.either a timber or a ccopperhead.but we were goin deep sea fishing, so we dropped her off @ this animal hospitol. i felt real bad, i didn't want to go....but a few days later, i went back andshe was doing great.t couldn't believe it...thank god, she made it. like over 700 dallors later.but she is worth it! they gave her iv antibiotis and iv stuff. when i left her there she was in bad shape.........thank god for vet techs! her name was angel there was definetly an angel lookin' out for her.

    my 2 girls now wont keep a collar on either. i wouldn't want your cat to get shot either.........
    we have cookouts and stuff and @ night we put those glow braclets on them around thier necks ....its hillariuos! we connect like 3of them to put on the dog!i got like a tube of 100 on ebay.....they keep us amused...
  • 04-15-2005, 10:34 AM
    xdeus
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BallPythonBabe448
    I think everyone should have the right to put out a trap, and if they catch a cat with no collar then they should take it to the humane society and if no one claims it, then if its nice adopt it out, or if its like ferocious then euthenize it.

    There's the dilemma. Oviously there are many more humane alternatives to keeping the feral cat populations down, but unforatunely there is not enough money to implement these strategies. Without turning this into a political debate, many local communities are having to deal with a lack of funds but they are also responsible for dealing with these types of unfortunate situations. I am opposed to people running around having carte blanche to shoot any cat that they personally feel is a threat. However, look at the alternatives. You will either have a community putting funds into trapping feral cats and reducing services such as fire, police, libraries, etc. Or you put up with feral cats continuing to breed and impacting the environment and community.
  • 04-15-2005, 12:08 PM
    wendy
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    well, we do have a few chinese resteraunts around here....hmmmm....
  • 04-15-2005, 01:02 PM
    Marla
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wendy
    well, we do have a few chinese resteraunts around here....hmmmm....

    Don't do it. Cat is creepy to eat. I (unintentionally) found out the hard way. :omfg: :puke:
  • 04-15-2005, 01:08 PM
    mlededee
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    oh gross. i'm sorry you are unfortunate enough to know what cat tastes like. yucko. :bleh:
  • 04-15-2005, 01:13 PM
    Marla
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mlededee
    oh gross. i'm sorry you are unfortunate enough to know what cat tastes like. yucko. :bleh:

    Yeah, it's not very fun to stop for a bite at a Chinese restaurant as you're out running errands with the family, feel like the texture and flavor of your sweet and sour "pork" is just wrong -- totally different from any pork you've had before and lighter in color to boot, and then see on the news the next night that *that exact restaurant* has been closed down that day by the health department for substituting cat for chicken and pork. I could barely keep *any* food down for a few days after that. :puke:
  • 04-16-2005, 04:50 AM
    wendy
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    Cat,.....The other white meat......


    just when you think it's beef n' broccoli.....
  • 04-16-2005, 09:42 AM
    BallPythonBabe448
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    My cat is tough..lol like I said he's gigantic. He isn't your fat old lazy cat, hes really active and lean. Also he is an outside cat, but he comes inside too. He's like half and half, he comes in for food and to sleep and goes outside all day.

    People would probably think he was ferral since he's so big and isn't very lazy, but thats just how he is. He's nice though, just like big. (not fat, but big all over, tall etc)
  • 04-17-2005, 12:45 AM
    wendy
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    cool.........a mitten cat...you should take pic's of his feet and freak everyone out...lol...

    my jungle cat is getting big...she is twice the size of my calico. but my calico is petite. i don't know how big she will get, her mother is a bangle and her father is 100% silver tipped jungle. i am frustrated i can't post a pic.
  • 04-17-2005, 01:54 AM
    wendy
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    "https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...tysparents.jpg"
    my lucy's parents....yeah...he would probly get shot!
  • 04-17-2005, 05:20 PM
    MacWin
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    Holy enormous felines Batman, that cat is huge
  • 04-20-2005, 02:01 PM
    Marla
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Marla
    Yeah, it's not very fun to stop for a bite at a Chinese restaurant as you're out running errands with the family, feel like the texture and flavor of your sweet and sour "pork" is just wrong -- totally different from any pork you've had before and lighter in color to boot, and then see on the news the next night that *that exact restaurant* has been closed down that day by the health department for substituting cat for chicken and pork. I could barely keep *any* food down for a few days after that. :puke:

    I just had to share this link -- who would have thought there was a song about this very subject?

    http://www.kanyak.com/ckettle.html
  • 04-20-2005, 02:35 PM
    Smulkin
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    Taboo cuisine!

    I confess I have eaten in HongKong - and yes unbeknownst to me that kung pao wasnt chicken. Funny how we develop prejudices in what is and is not "cool" to eat in terms of what we domesticate and pharm vs consider pets. There was something on cable recently on that very subject.


    That is a monster cat!
  • 04-25-2005, 02:53 PM
    frankykeno
    Re: Don't shoot the cat ...
    Hmmm, very interesting topic...here's my 2 cents worth. I'm very "on the fence" on this topic. I was raised around hunters, Mike my hubby hunts so I really support ethical hunters and have found most of them very well informed and careful of the harvest of game. The old drunken idiots with guns scenerio is more myth than fact in my experience thank god! Having said that, feral cats are not game obviously but they can do terrible damage to the natural wildlife. As a pet owner and very long time cat owner I hate the thought of cats being shot and the idea that cat's would be "collared and friendly" is just plain silly. Most cats can get out of any collar you put them in (in fact a collared cat outside can get hung up by it's own collar) and most cats, including my own well loved pets, would not approach a stranger and therefore would appear "unfriendly".


    So how to control this issue. Responsible pet ownership! If all the idiots who just "have to have a kitten for the kids" would get that kitten spayed or neutered we'd have a lot less issue here and when the "blush is off the rose" and the family can't be bothered with that same cat....take it to the local shelter for rehoming.

    We live by the lake. I'm trying at this time to humanely trap a breeding female feral cat who was most likely a pet. Idiots up here get cats for mice control at the cottage then leave in the fall and guess who ends up homeless in my yard. I must say our local humane society is NOT helpful. They won't come out to trap feral cats, they won't supply humane traps (unless you pay for the "rental" of them) and I know they often turn away people trying to do the right thing and turn a cat into them because "they have too many cats"!

    In the end, it comes down to making choices for your pet cats doesn't it. Mine have always been allowed outside however I do this knowing I risk my pet in many ways but I balance that against their obvious joy of roaming the nearby forest. My male cat is 16 and my female passed last year at the ripe old age of 18 so I guess for me that decision has worked out well.

    In the end, instead of a legalized open hunt of feral cats, I believe the local humane societies need to get off their butts and proactively deal with this even if more tax money has to go their way for traps, staff, decent cheap spay/neuter clinics, etc. I'd rather see that then watch the poor ferals either killing all our lovely lil wild creatures or slowly starving to death or dying of exposure and disease (meanwhile managing to reproduce themselves and make the problem even worse).

    One last comment (in this huge post...my apologies folks). Cats will and do hunt for pleasure or just from instinct. Both my cats have never known a day of hunger, or ever lived wild, yet will actively hunt anything in the forest they can get their lil evil claws into. Cats will be cats I guess.
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