What do you think? Gravid or not?

She has been refusing food but ate almost 2 weeks ago she hasn't been with any besides a male 7ft carpet python when cleaning her cage and they did lock for a bit so I left her but idk if that got her gravid or not either way I'm kinda exctied

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Yeah, nice looking ball python. The first and second pic position that she is in makes me think this is a sign of impending clutch laying. I believe the position with her tail inside the coils is a added sign also. You may want to pull out the incubator tonight just to have it ready. Lol. My albino girl in my avatar is in that same position. She (albino girl) laid her clutch shortly thereafter.

Looks like eggs to me. Was it your original intention to breed hybrids? I've heard it can be done, but I'm not sure what a carpet ball python ends up looking like. Keep us posted!

carpet x ball is a carpball if you want to look it up on google images

Carpball....interesting. I like the pattern. I had a hard time learning how big they get. I assume they are sterile?

Idk anything about the carpball but I'm really hoping for them lol be very cool to get some hybrids but that's another thing is idk how big they will get but the videos I've seen they looked more like carpets in body

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She's also under the paper towel and ive noticed last 2 ball pythons that layed for me pushed the shavings aside

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I'm thinking you best have your incubator ready, I think she's going to pop! I wonder if the incubation period is different. Good luck!!

I'll do that lol and yea me too well find out

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril

carpet x ball is a carpball if you want to look it up on google images

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It just seems that breeding a carpet python to a ball python is a muddying of the gene pool on both ends. It's known and deliberate hybridization. Most breeding is done to isolate and capture more vivid and preferred patterning and coloration. Hybridization and inter grades seem to work against these principles. Just my opinion. I actually thought op said the pairing was accidental?

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It just seems that breeding a carpet python to a ball python is a muddying of the gene pool on both ends. It's known and deliberate hybridization. Most breeding is done to isolate and capture more vivid and preferred patterning and coloration. Hybridization and inter grades seem to work against these principles. Just my opinion. I actually thought op said the pairing was accidental?

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OP didn't specifically say but it sounded like an accident. I'm personally not a big fan of crosses, I was just explaining what the cross was called since piedlover79 didn't know what they looked like.
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OP didn't specifically say but it sounded like an accident. I'm personally not a big fan of crosses, I was just explaining what the cross was called since piedlover79 didn't know what they looked like.
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Yes, I see that she placed the ball python in with the carpet as she did cage cleaning. Yeah , not a planned pairing. Thanks.

Yea it was an accident as I didn't think they would lock at all and I didn't have a spare bin to put her in while I was cleaning her bin and as soon as I put her in the one side of the 4 ft cage the carpet was instantly active and checking her out


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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

It just seems that breeding a carpet python to a ball python is a muddying of the gene pool on both ends. It's known and deliberate hybridization. Most breeding is done to isolate and capture more vivid and preferred patterning and coloration. Hybridization and inter grades seem to work against these principles. Just my opinion. I actually thought op said the pairing was accidental?

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I fully intent to eventually acquire a few hybrids just as cool pets. I don't think there's anything wrong with hybrids or breeding for them as long as the end up as pets only.

It happens in the wild, with a lot of animals. Its not the most common, but it is out there.
I bet your waiting some egg!! I would!


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I fully intent to eventually acquire a few hybrids just as cool pets. I don't think there's anything wrong with hybrids or breeding for them as long as the end up as pets only.

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Got you, and I can understand that. Just on a note though, these two species would never meet in the wild naturally. Both hailing from different corners of the world. Carpets from Northern, eastern and southern Australia and balls from Africa.

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I don't think there's anything wrong with hybrids or breeding for them as long as the end up as pets only.

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Problem becomes when animals that are sold as pets, get into the breeding pool. May not happen with your animals, but it will happen.

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It happens in the wild, with a lot of animals.

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Lots? I'd like to see your data please.

I wouldn't think you'd have to worry about the carpball 'getting into the breeding pool' won't the hatchlings be sterile like a mule?

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I wouldn't think you'd have to worry about the carpball 'getting into the breeding pool' won't the hatchlings be sterile like a mule?

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Will they??? :confuzd:

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I wouldn't think you'd have to worry about the carpball 'getting into the breeding pool' won't the hatchlings be sterile like a mule?

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Personally, I wouldn't bet on it. Just as a for instance, carpondros have reduced fertility, but are not sterile. Indeed, even mules are not perfectly sterile, with the odd female mule being fertile. Another really good example in mammals are Savannah Cats, in which first generation males are sterile. The females can reproduce, and males become reproductive the further they are from the first couple generations. Savannahs are also a pretty good example, as, unlike mules, angry balls, and super balls, they're hybrids between two different genera. (Like carpalls.)*

Male carpalls may well be sterile, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if a few of the females were reproductive. In fact, I'd be surprised if they weren't.


*Some folks still regard Chondro as a valid genus, so, carpondros might be inter-generic, as well.

Nothing yet but looks like she's sitting on her tail so othing comes out lol

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Still nothing and she is coil a bit but has a good 2 feet not coiled and I try to move her tail end as its jammed almost under the water dish she won't budge

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I tryed feeding her again this is her 3rd week off food

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Well she is still off food and today I found her like this

I guess the one time lock with the carpet was enough to get her gravid wasn't wanting it to happen but kind of getting excited thinking about it if she does I'll be sure to post pics and keep everybody updated and I have 3 buyers for them as pet only if I do get them which I know them personally and they promised to never breed them
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Any opinions are greatly appreciated on weather she is gravid or not

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