Questions about the whole breeding for specific morphs and just general idea bouncing
I just recently got a female orange ghost x coral glow het orange ghost combo and was wondering what I should breed her to in order to get awesome colors and or patterns?
I'm still trying to understand the whole genetics game so any help would be great. I was originally thinking of buying a male clown but now thinking of maybe breeding for brighter coral glow ghosts.. but piebalds seem cool as well. Just wanted to bounce some ideas around with others who would get my excitement about it.
I'll try and get some pictures up. She's a super pretty snake.. very pastel with a purple-ish base behind her yellow and orange and she's getting black speckles too! The guy I bought her from had her listed as a coral glow but then said she was also a visual ghost when I picked her up and I agree that she does have some ghost markings. I have pics of the parents as well if anyone cares lol
Thanks guys. Any ideas or tips are very welcome
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Oh and so breeding 'makers' just sounds cool to me. I don't understand it fully.. but I want to.
So in order to do that I would have to breed my gal to a visual coral glow male?
Also if the dude had ghost as well that would increase the likelihood that the kiddos would have the pattern plus the color?
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DennisM
well, let's assume you really have a CG/OG female. I would breed her to a Fire/OG male when the time comes.
and if you're a really patient person who doesn't mind waiting a few generations for a double recessive, I'd go Fire/Clown
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DennisM
well, let's assume you really have a CG/OG female. I would breed her to a Fire/OG male when the time comes.
Now this I have got to see ... Pictures please
If you have pictures of the parents that will help too
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May
I just recently got a female orange ghost x coral glow het orange ghost combo and was wondering what I should breed her to in order to get awesome colors and or patterns?
I'm still trying to understand the whole genetics game so any help would be great. I was originally thinking of buying a male clown but now thinking of maybe breeding for brighter coral glow ghosts.. but piebalds seem cool as well. Just wanted to bounce some ideas around with others who would get my excitement about it.
I'll try and get some pictures up. She's a super pretty snake.. very pastel with a purple-ish base behind her yellow and orange and she's getting black speckles too! The guy I bought her from had her listed as a coral glow but then said she was also a visual ghost when I picked her up and I agree that she does have some ghost markings. I have pics of the parents as well if anyone cares lol
Thanks guys. Any ideas or tips are very welcome
Personally when I think of bright .. ghost is the last thing that comes to mind ... As Dennis said, fire is a color enhancer ... Vanilla also tends to brighten things up
Being a visual ghost is something that usually is at the top of the description when describing a snake that is actually that ...... I myself am curious as to how you decide if a coral glow snake is indeed a visual ghost .... ghost is a pigment mutation and has nothing to do with the pattern of a snake .... These are just my opinions and questions and I am by far no expert
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If you are up to a long term project I would put her to a pumpkin pied or pastel pied. If you are fortunate enough to produce both genders of coral glow double het for ghost and pied, that also carries either the Pastel or Yellowbelly gene (depending on which you use), then you breed them together and have a shot at a great clutch with quite a few different combos of pied. I guess if you use YB then perhaps you would only want to have one of them carry the YB gene so you don't wash the rest out by producing an Ivory.
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May
I just recently got a female orange ghost x coral glow het orange ghost combo and was wondering what I should breed her to in order to get awesome colors and or patterns?
I'm still trying to understand the whole genetics game so any help would be great. I was originally thinking of buying a male clown but now thinking of maybe breeding for brighter coral glow ghosts.. but piebalds seem cool as well. Just wanted to bounce some ideas around with others who would get my excitement about it.
I'll try and get some pictures up. She's a super pretty snake.. very pastel with a purple-ish base behind her yellow and orange and she's getting black speckles too! The guy I bought her from had her listed as a coral glow but then said she was also a visual ghost when I picked her up and I agree that she does have some ghost markings. I have pics of the parents as well if anyone cares lol
Thanks guys. Any ideas or tips are very welcome
Ok.... where to start. there are a bunch of things that you need to figure out with how bp genetics work. Reading your post I can see a few things you need to understand.
The biggest thing when breeding BP is knowing what kind of gene is what.
There are 3 basic types of genes and each work differently.
1. Dominant-
Dominant genes are passed to offspring with a 50% chance.
Meaning breed a dominant gene to a normal and statistically get 50% babies with that dominant gene, and 50% without
2. Codominant-
Co dominants are passed in the same way as dominants. 50% chance.
The difference is if BOTH parents have that gene, and both parents pass that 50% chance gene to their baby, you will get a Super form of that morph.
The odds of this happening are 25% per egg.
Now supers usually have a different look than their regular gene counterparts and have the added bonus of always passing that Codominant gene. Basically it's 50% chance, twice. Since it has 2 copies of the gene.
Confused yet?
3. Recessive - basically... there are genes that a snake can carry that won't change its appearance unless it carries 2 of them (1 from mom, 1 from dad). A normal looking snake carrying a hidden gene in this manner is called a heterozygous or HET.
When you see a Het. Albino ball python, it means it's normal looking but carries the albino gene hidden in it.
In order to produce a visual recessive gene snake, you would have to breed 2 snakes with the gene to get a chance.
Breeding 2 visuals will give you 100% odds of visual offspring.
A visual and a het, 50%.
2 hets., 25%.
A het and a normal gives you no chance of visuals, only a chance of hets.
Now, there's a lot more for the more experienced and researched breeders but I don't want to drown you in info. Basically, learn which of the 3 types of genes your snakes fall under and put the puzzle together. Without knowing if a orange ghost is recessive or dominant means you won't be able to predict what you will produce (it's recessive by the way).
A lot of people use world of ball pythons or the app for it (wob). There you can see what kind of morphs you are working with!
Any more questions feel free to pm me!
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Thank you sooo much for all the replies!! It's a good thing I have a while to wait before my girl is old enough. Plenty of time to learn and decide which route to go. lol I just wanted to throw a few pics up to show you guys what my girl looks like... oh and her name is Corlett.. Lettie for short. Thanks again guys!!
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/show...hp?i=53119&c=3
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/show...hp?i=53120&c=3
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/show...hp?i=53118&c=3
ok hmm so these images work for me when I right click and ask to show them.. if they wont work for you guys just let me know
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T_Sauer
Personally when I think of bright .. ghost is the last thing that comes to mind ... As Dennis said, fire is a color enhancer ... Vanilla also tends to brighten things up
Being a visual ghost is something that usually is at the top of the description when describing a snake that is actually that ...... I myself am curious as to how you decide if a coral glow snake is indeed a visual ghost .... ghost is a pigment mutation and has nothing to do with the pattern of a snake .... These are just my opinions and questions and I am by far no expert
Thanks for chatting with me. I'm really new to all of this so when I bought her I was just going for the snake I liked best. It was after I got her that the fascination with genetics bit me. lol Her breeder said it was tricky picking out the ghost in the coral glows. He said you could kinda see it when you compare her to her coral glow siblings. I could see what he meant because that was why I picked her.. she just looked different.. had more of a platinum look to me. I added some pics in a comment below and to my gallery if you want to see her.
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Thanks! Ok so maybe I should make a puzzle or flip card game to help myself learn this stuff. haha But in reality I'll probably just read and read and read about it until it clicks hopefully. I kinda get it but then it's a very fuzzy grasp of it.
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T_Sauer
Now this I have got to see ... Pictures please
If you have pictures of the parents that will help too
I added some pics of her to my profile. I'll post the parents pics after I get a reply from her breeder giving me an ok. I don't want to post them without his knowledge.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...1e679de686.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file.../unnamed_3.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file.../unnamed_2.jpg
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May
Thanks for chatting with me. I'm really new to all of this so when I bought her I was just going for the snake I liked best. It was after I got her that the fascination with genetics bit me. lol Her breeder said it was tricky picking out the ghost in the coral glows. He said you could kinda see it when you compare her to her coral glow siblings. I could see what he meant because that was why I picked her.. she just looked different.. had more of a platinum look to me. I added some pics in a comment below and to my gallery if you want to see her.
That's pretty much how I got started out ... I had wanted a snake for a pet since childhood, well finally some years later and after I got out of the military and was actually home enough to care for one I got a male normal ball python (having no idea there were so many colors and patterns). ...... And then in my search to make sure I was caring for him properly, I found this site :gj: ... AND now (2 years later) I have 24 ball pythons and my first clutch in the incubator, with hopefully two more clutches to follow in the next month or so :please: ...... So yes when the ball python bug bites .. it bites hard LOL Good Luck to you on your ball python journey
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The key to breeding
Research, research and more research not only on the how to but also the genetic aspect of it and of course ask yourself the right questions.
As far as what to shoot for, breed what is within budget and what YOU like, don't let someone else's taste dictate what should be in your collection, you are the one that will care and look at those animals for years to come.
The possibility are endless and it's a great feeling.
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