What do you think of this Pastel 8-Ball?

ok, i’m looking into 2 BP’s for my next pick up: either an all white BP or an all black pattern one.

i was looking around when I saw this – a Pastel 8-Ball. she’s 6 months old and much lighter b/c of the addition of the Pastel gene. she’s healthy, eats like a tank, active and curious. she doesn’t have a kinked spine but does have a slight duck bill. she’s $400 out the door. anyway here she is:

http://images.craigslist.org/01616_b...Yk_600x450.jpg

a few questions:
-- do u think those are cinnamon splotches on her body or paradoxing?
-- also is her slight duck billing an indicator that her offsprings will be deformed?

this little girl is an interesting project combo, but i will pass if she should not be bred.

Edit: i want REL's (i.e. Blizzards) or Pandas. :D

thank u all in advance. :)

Duckbilling is common with the super forms of Cinnamon and Black Pastel, including the 8-Ball. Within the animals that carry only one of those genes it should not be a problem as the deformity is linked to the doubling up of the gene.

I would say it would be up to you on whether or not you wanted to purchase and breed her. I wouldn't, personally, because I do not believe in breeding "imperfect" animals, BUT that is a personal preference. Other people are perfectly fine with it.

A slight duck bill is still a duck bill. I would pass for a breeder.

awww poor girl. imma have to pass.

thanks all. i just wanted to confirm my suspicion.

she will make a nice pet and the breeder says she will keep her if she doesn't sell.

If you're going to breed for quality... breed the best, to the best, and hope for the best.

It's a beautiful girl. Duck billing is really an 8 ball stuff. Someone accepts, someone not, like the spider wobbling. Personally I don't want to keep them cause of that physical issue, but the other hand I have several balls with spider in.

Good idea to pass Ax. I know firsthand that you have some nice quality animals and there's not need to take the risk of breeding her as others have said. Keep bringing in quality animals and get quality offspring as a result. I know you have a soft spot for animals that need a little special care, so if she was just a pet, that's another story.

Mike

thanks Mike! :D

yeah, a Panda or REL would be a long term project. without a Super or the right combos or hets to get a head start, i think i would still be looking at least a 3 generation process to produce the snakes i want. i'm glad I got some cool snakes to keep me company along the speak already. :)

To answer your other question I heard that super cinnys/ 8 balls often give off paradox-like black spots within their solid black. My buddy has one with some of those spots by its belly

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That's a beautiful snake [emoji4] I think it would be a good pickup. No one said you have to breed it to another cinny/black pastel. I have a 8ball and he has no sign of duckbill. I know it's there sometimes but some people I think get the illusion it's there from lack of pattern on the face. My 8ball and my fiance's BEL have the same look to them which looks much different from patterned ball pythons.

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a Panda or REL would be a long term project. without a Super or the right combos or hets to get a head start, i think i would still be looking at least a 3 generation process to produce the snakes i want.

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I think you and I are working on the same projects. When I picked up Tex this Summer it totally changed my plans.

Dave

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That's a beautiful snake [emoji4] I think it would be a good pickup. No one said you have to breed it to another cinny/black pastel. I have a 8ball and he has no sign of duckbill. I know it's there sometimes but some people I think get the illusion it's there from lack of pattern on the face. My 8ball and my fiance's BEL have the same look to them which looks much different from patterned ball pythons.

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i passed. she's still available and I'm sure i could get the price down if i were to get her.

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Originally Posted by AKA Dave

I think you and I are working on the same projects. When I picked up Tex this Summer it totally changed my plans.

Dave

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i think imma approach the project in a different manner. i didn't realize the potential my Black Pastel Champagne girl has. pairing her to a Super Black Pastel male would create Dark versions of the Grey Matters that look like Pandas. :gj: Pairing her to a Super Cinny would create silver versions. i'm excited by that. it cuts down on my time and generations or hets I need to work with. I just hope i hit the odds. :)

Yeah that's why I'm looking for a male one now. Gotta get ready for next season!

Dave