Market Value of Banana YB

I'm seeing these things have a weird price range. It's either like extreme rip price or decent 200$ price. What would you guys consider a amazing price, a decent price, and a rip off price for a banana yellow belly?

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Originally Posted by Snoop_Dong

I'm seeing these things have a weird price range. It's either like extreme rip price or decent 200$ price. What would you guys consider a amazing price, a decent price, and a rip off price for a banana yellow belly?

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Male (male/female maker)? Female? Age? Weight? Proven breeder? Quality? Reliable feeder? All of these things must be known before randomly assigning a price to a morph.

EDIT: Also, one person's "extreme rip price" can easily be another person's decent price.

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Originally Posted by Eric Alan

Male (male/female maker)? Female? Age? Weight? Proven breeder? Quality? Reliable feeder? All of these things must be known before randomly assigning a price to a morph.

EDIT: Also, one person's "extreme rip price" can easily be another person's decent price.

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That's also the problem. I only know it's male, a hatchling (a month old), la madre es Ivory, it's yellow belly, banana morph, reliable feeding

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Originally Posted by Snoop_Dong

That's also the problem. I only know it's male, a hatchling (a month old), la madre es Ivory, it's yellow belly, banana morph, reliable feeding

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It sounds like he'd be on the lower end of the two-gene Banana pricing scale. He's a hatchling male-maker male, is a combo with another well-established morph, and has only been out of the egg a month. If I were you, I'd make sure he is in fact eating reliably and that he has the kind of quality you're looking for in a new addition before making your decision.

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Originally Posted by Snoop_Dong

That's also the problem. I only know it's male, a hatchling (a month old), la madre es Ivory, it's yellow belly, banana morph, reliable feeding

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Don't know how much of this I would go by, only had a couple of meals.

To me, I'm only interested in snakes that have good to great feeding response and if they're really young I don't care as much about what they're fed (as long as it's size appropriate). At that age I feel like there's two problems with taking the breeders word for it. First everyone's definition of "great eater" is a little different. There's no agreed upon terms of great eater meaning takes every meal. A snake could refuse once a month and some would still consider it a great feeder. And who knows if something fasts at the year mark or not, it's all a gamble really, so the breeder's statement of being a great feeder doesn't really mean a ton to me.

So for me I just look at hatch dates and weights to see how well something as fed so far and go off that. For a banana YB male I'd say you're looking at about:
Amazing price - 150 or less
Decent price - 200-400 depending on quality
Rip off price - 600+ (I rarely see this price unless it's unique, like it's also a paradox or het/poss het.)

Other than that it all depends what you're looking for. I'll be buying one more banana in a year or so and it has to be a male maker, so even if I find a male banana with multiple genes for a great price I'll have to make sure it's male maker, if they got the boy from a banana x banana pairing then the price would have to be REALLY low for me to be interested.

Not to hijack the thread, but can you elaborate on "male maker"?

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Originally Posted by LittleTreeGuy

Not to hijack the thread, but can you elaborate on "male maker"?

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Banana x Banana male= Almost all male banana morphs. This means wasted $ for you; well you're not gonna be able to breed barely any females.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Don't know how much of this I would go by, only had a couple of meals.

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I know what you mean but usually if the hatchling doesn't hesitate when given a meal for the first 4 weeks they tend to further that habit later in life. That is unless they develop some serious neurological issue but with those odds there is no way of predicting that. Though i'll use your advice to my advantage and go use it as a source for lowering prices.

I have a couple that didnt eat for the first 2 or 3 months that now dont miss a meal and would eat anything I offered.

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Originally Posted by Eric Alan

If I were you, I'd make sure he is in fact eating reliably and that he has the kind of quality you're looking for in a new addition before making your decision.

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What is the desirable genotype of the Banana morph to appear as; bright contrast colors, no purple dots, etc.?

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Originally Posted by Snoop_Dong

Banana x Banana male= Almost all male banana morphs. This means wasted $ for you; well you're not gonna be able to breed barely any females.

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Not quite. Male-maker bananas still produce typical overall sex ratios in their clutches. It's just the bananas he produces are much more likely to be male and the non-bananas he produces are much more likely to be female.

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Originally Posted by Eric Alan

Not quite. Male-maker bananas still produce typical overall sex ratios in their clutches. It's just the bananas he produces are much more likely to be male and the non-bananas he produces are much more likely to be female.

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Oh oops the way i worded that made it seem like there would be only bananas produced ahaha. Also what is so important about yellow bellies? I can hardly tell the difference in appearance between a normal belly. Is it because they can produce ivories?

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Originally Posted by Snoop_Dong

What is the desirable genotype of the Banana morph to appear as; bright contrast colors, no purple dots, etc.?

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That's what I would consider some of the more desirable phenotypes ;) in a Banana, but that might not be true for everyone.

With BPs, there are some morphs that have more classic standards of what good looks like - Enchi, Orange Dream, etc. Then, there are other morphs whose phenotypes vary widely enough to find people at all ends of the spectrum - Pied, Clown, etc. I would say that Banana falls in the "something for everybody" category. The difference then comes down to whether someone likes clean/busy, high/low contrast, bright/dark, animals in general. :)

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Originally Posted by Snoop_Dong

Oh oops the way i worded that made it seem like there would be only bananas produced ahaha. Also what is so important about yellow bellies? I can hardly tell the difference in appearance between a normal belly. Is it because they can produce ivories?

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Oh, it's not just Ivories. :cool:

The entire Yellowbelly complex is pretty incredible - check out a few of the following:

• YB x Asphalt = Freeway
• YB x Gravel = Highway
• YB x Spark = Puma
• YB x Spector = Super Stripe

Beyond the YB complex morphs I listed above, YB is one of the best "enhancer" genes out there. Alone, it doesn't tend to look like much. When combined appropriately, it really takes an animal to the next level (OD vs OD YB, etc).