My new irian jaya carpet python

Picked this little guy up at the Phoenix reptile show yesterday and I'm hooked definitely more in my future.
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He's a little nippy, but from what I hear that's normal for babies and he's a great little feeder ate for me today already. From the pics of his parents, that I don't have [emoji13], he's going to color up real nice. The yellow on his parents is like a hilighter it's amazing.

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Very nice!

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Originally Posted by Gio

Very nice!

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Thank you, he's in a tub right now but soon I'll have him in a nice viv with plenty of room to climb and stretch and be all active

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Originally Posted by Artemisace

Thank you, he's in a tub right now but soon I'll have him in a nice viv with plenty of room to climb and stretch and be all active

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You will enjoy that. Carpets make it close to the top if not the top of the list for excellent display snakes.

I am very pleased with my coastal carpet and her display cage.
http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/IMG_2630.jpg

My snake is nothing special either, she is a coastal mix or mutt of some type. Your animal should color up beautifully and really pop in the right setup.

This is a nightly occurrence.
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Originally Posted by Gio

You will enjoy that. Carpets make it close to the top if not the top of the list for excellent display snakes.

I am very pleased with my coastal carpet and her display cage.
http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/IMG_2630.jpg

My snake is nothing special either, she is a coastal mix or mutt of some type. Your animal should color up beautifully and really pop in the right setup.

This is a nightly occurrence.
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Yeah I can't wait to get him in a nice climbing cage. I think carpets may have become my new obsession. You're snake is beautiful, my next one I get it think is going to be a striped coastal. I think those babies would be gorgeous

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Great snake to pick for a favorite! I agree and find carpets and boa constrictors to be my favorites right now. Actually a lot of the Australian snakes are good keeps. They seem to be less shy and rather hardy animals that handle husbandry errors well and seem rather social from my experience.

If you have not looked into it yet, THE COMPLETE CARPET PYTHON by Nick Mutton and Justin Julander is a must have book.

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Great snake to pick for a favorite! I agree and find carpets and boa constrictors to be my favorites right now. Actually a lot of the Australian snakes are good keeps. They seem to be less shy and rather hardy animals that handle husbandry errors well and seem rather social from my experience.

If you have not looked into it yet, THE COMPLETE CARPET PYTHON by Nick Mutton and Justin Julander is a must have book.

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I have looked into it and the prices I'm seeing on amazon are insane. I saw it listed for over 300 dollars and as low as 40. It's just kinda crazy lol, but I'm going to check some bookstores locally and see if I can find it.

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I have looked into it and the prices I'm seeing on amazon are insane. I saw it listed for over 300 dollars and as low as 40. It's just kinda crazy lol, but I'm going to check some bookstores locally and see if I can find it.

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$65

Right from Nick's site.

http://www.inlandreptile.com/book%20sales.html

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$65

Right from Nick's site.

http://www.inlandreptile.com/book%20sales.html

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Thank you, I'll make sure to save the link

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Beautiful IJ Art. Carpets are my newest fascination too. Great snakes to keep.

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Beautiful IJ Art. Carpets are my newest fascination too. Great snakes to keep.

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Thank you, he's definitely sparked a new obsession for me. I think an axanthic jag (spelling?) Would be a good match for him to really bring out the silvers and the greys in him.

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I'm not sure what you have here is a pure IJ, the pattern is very unusual. I suspect a coastal cross. There's a lot of them out there as a result of projects to create IJ jags. Of course carpets are highly variable and one never really knows.

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I'm not sure what you have here is a pure IJ, the pattern is very unusual. I suspect a coastal cross. There's a lot of them out there as a result of projects to create IJ jags. Of course carpets are highly variable and one never really knows.

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Thanks for the input, I'm just going off what I was told by the breeder [emoji12] weather he's pure or not I love him to death and my plan is to cross him into other stuff anyway lol.

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Thanks for the input, I'm just going off what I was told by the breeder [emoji12] weather he's pure or not I love him to death and my plan is to cross him into other stuff anyway lol.

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of course, crosses deserve love too. I have 10 in my collection.

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of course, crosses deserve love too. I have 10 in my collection.

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Indeed they do, I'll probably end up with a bunch of them in no time as well lol

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Unless you have locality data, you can never be sure whether or not you have a cross. With a few exceptions carpet pythons are the same snake when it gets right down to it. The husbandry and habits are all very similar with some variations. ALL are semi arboreal and keep well. Pure diamonds have some requirements that need attention, but when they are crossed that seems to change.

My coastal is a cross/mix/mutt but even in the wild, there are natural intergrade zones. The TRUE intergrades are viewed by the Aussie folks as very special snakes. Often the natural intergrade is a coastal/diamond and they really are beautiful.

I mentioned the book because it sheds a lot of light on the localities and also implies there is still plenty of research and study left to do with this group.

Nick Mutton and some others do have pure specimens if that is important to you, but if you just enjoy your snake for what it is, you will not think twice about it.

I do recommend NOT breeding or selling anything other than "shoulder pet" companions if you don't have data on the parents.

All that said, I still feel any carpet python is a very enjoyable, rewarding pet.

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Unless you have locality data, you can never be sure whether or not you have a cross. With a few exceptions carpet pythons are the same snake when it gets right down to it. The husbandry and habits are all very similar with some variations. ALL are semi arboreal and keep well. Pure diamonds have some requirements that need attention, but when they are crossed that seems to change.

My coastal is a cross/mix/mutt but even in the wild, there are natural intergrade zones. The TRUE intergrades are viewed by the Aussie folks as very special snakes. Often the natural intergrade is a coastal/diamond and they really are beautiful.

I mentioned the book because it sheds a lot of light on the localities and also implies there is still plenty of research and study left to do with this group.

Nick Mutton and some others do have pure specimens if that is important to you, but if you just enjoy your snake for what it is, you will not think twice about it.

I do recommend NOT breeding or selling anything other than "shoulder pet" companions if you don't have data on the parents.

All that said, I still feel any carpet python is a very enjoyable, rewarding pet.

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If I breed him it'll be to other locales so I'll make sure to describe them as such, I wouldn't dream of misrepresenting animals so from now on I'll just call him my irian jaya and if anyone asks I'll just say I don't know if he's pure. The book is something I am going to get, any information I can get about the animals I keep is super important to me. Any babies I produce will be crosses anyway, so they will be marketed as the crosses. Thank you for the info it all helps me to learn more about this awesome little snake I've gotten.

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Originally Posted by Gio

Unless you have locality data, you can never be sure whether or not you have a cross. With a few exceptions carpet pythons are the same snake when it gets right down to it. The husbandry and habits are all very similar with some variations. ALL are semi arboreal and keep well. Pure diamonds have some requirements that need attention, but when they are crossed that seems to change.

My coastal is a cross/mix/mutt but even in the wild, there are natural intergrade zones. The TRUE intergrades are viewed by the Aussie folks as very special snakes. Often the natural intergrade is a coastal/diamond and they really are beautiful.

I mentioned the book because it sheds a lot of light on the localities and also implies there is still plenty of research and study left to do with this group.

Nick Mutton and some others do have pure specimens if that is important to you, but if you just enjoy your snake for what it is, you will not think twice about it.

I do recommend NOT breeding or selling anything other than "shoulder pet" companions if you don't have data on the parents.

All that said, I still feel any carpet python is a very enjoyable, rewarding pet.

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since Artemisace is planning crosses, locality/purity is obviously not an issue with this snake. But you are correct that if locality/purity is a concern, Nick is the man, he takes this stuff quite seriously. it's nice to know that you are getting documented lines, if that's what you want to do. I think most carpet keepers who develop a sizable collection will have a mix of pure/crosses/who knows in their collection. I like and keep all of the above.

I would have to disagree that they are all the same. True that the husbandry is the same and that they naturally intergrade. But I think there is an clear difference between what our hobby considers to be “pure” jungles, IJs, coastals etc. The caveat is that there has been so much crossing in the hobby you can never be sure. will there really be a difference between a “pure” jungle and a jungle that has just one coastal in the family tree 8 generations ago? I doubt it.

One thing is for sure, as Gio says, “any carpet python is a very enjoyable, rewarding pet”. I’ve kept dozens of them for over the past 20+ years and they are certainly that.

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since Artemisace is planning crosses, locality/purity is obviously not an issue with this snake. But you are correct that if locality/purity is a concern, Nick is the man, he takes this stuff quite seriously. it's nice to know that you are getting documented lines, if that's what you want to do. I think most carpet keepers who develop a sizable collection will have a mix of pure/crosses/who knows in their collection. I like and keep all of the above.

I would have to disagree that they are all the same. True that the husbandry is the same and that they naturally intergrade. But I think there is an clear difference between what our hobby considers to be “pure” jungles, IJs, coastals etc. The caveat is that there has been so much crossing in the hobby you can never be sure. will there really be a difference between a “pure” jungle and a jungle that has just one coastal in the family tree 8 generations ago? I doubt it.

One thing is for sure, as Gio says, “any carpet python is a very enjoyable, rewarding pet”. I’ve kept dozens of them for over the past 20+ years and they are certainly that.

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I've actually been drooling over some of Nicks carpets on his site and since it seems he's the authority on them, he'll be the first on my list for where I get my future stock. My little guy is really winning me over, I went in to check on him today and he came right out and acted like he was going to bite me at first then got bored and let me pet him before he retreated into his hide. “any carpet python is a very enjoyable, rewarding pet” I've said that same thing about retics when talking to people who have asked me about them. I love my giants, but it's time to get some smaller stuff for me.

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since Artemisace is planning crosses, locality/purity is obviously not an issue with this snake. But you are correct that if locality/purity is a concern, Nick is the man, he takes this stuff quite seriously. it's nice to know that you are getting documented lines, if that's what you want to do. I think most carpet keepers who develop a sizable collection will have a mix of pure/crosses/who knows in their collection. I like and keep all of the above.

I would have to disagree that they are all the same. True that the husbandry is the same and that they naturally intergrade. But I think there is an clear difference between what our hobby considers to be “pure” jungles, IJs, coastals etc. The caveat is that there has been so much crossing in the hobby you can never be sure. will there really be a difference between a “pure” jungle and a jungle that has just one coastal in the family tree 8 generations ago? I doubt it.

One thing is for sure, as Gio says, “any carpet python is a very enjoyable, rewarding pet”. I’ve kept dozens of them for over the past 20+ years and they are certainly that.

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When I say they are the same, I'm not making the implication that there is no difference between localities, though research points to jungles and coastals sharing identical DNA which could make one come to the conclusion that a jungle is actually a smaller locale of coastal. Once again the study and research is ongoing here.

I should have maybe specified that in captivity, without locality data carpets are pretty much the same snake. When people add IJ to coastal and cross diamond into the mix and originally had a cross of some unknown combo you wind up with a carpet python, and when that happens, a carpet is a carpet. Not even Nick Mutton was able to tell me what my coastal was crossed with when I asked and sent him several pictures. It's a carpet python, was the only conclusion we could come to. There was some speculation as to what was possibly mixed in but certainly nothing was conclusive. Based on that, there is nothing different at all about the care or habits of mine verses any other type carpet python sans a pure diamond.

Maybe that helps with the point I was making about being the same in general.

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When I say they are the same, I'm not making the implication that there is no difference between localities, though research points to jungles and coastals sharing identical DNA which could make one come to the conclusion that a jungle is actually a smaller locale of coastal. Once again the study and research is ongoing here.

I should have maybe specified that in captivity, without locality data carpets are pretty much the same snake. When people add IJ to coastal and cross diamond into the mix and originally had a cross of some unknown combo you wind up with a carpet python, and when that happens, a carpet is a carpet. Not even Nick Mutton was able to tell me what my coastal was crossed with when I asked and sent him several pictures. It's a carpet python, was the only conclusion we could come to. There was some speculation as to what was possibly mixed in but certainly nothing was conclusive. Based on that, there is nothing different at all about the care or habits of mine verses any other type carpet python sans a pure diamond.

Maybe that helps with the point I was making about being the same in general.

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agreed, a carpet is a carpet once the mixing begins, after all we are talking morelia spilota subspecies. upon mixing it's just morelia spilota.

I think all morelia spilota are great, they're my favorite snake (it's ok BP.net, BPs are next on my list :)). sometimes the crossings can be problematic as they can be impossible to identify (if Nick Mutton can't ID it we're probably out of luck) yet are marketed as this or that. Other than being a carpet python, I don't know what the OP's snake is and probably its breeder doesn't really know either. I'm pretty sure it's not a pure IJ as generally recognized by the hobby. The striping indicates coastal, the side blotches hint at a possible diamond influence (though obviously not the classic pattern that give the diamond its common name, I've seen this pattern on a few diamond crosses). All that matters is that the snake is in good hands, appreciated for being an awesome animal and it's offspring are acknowledged as "IJ something".

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I think all morelia spilota are great, they're my favorite snake (it's ok BP.net, BPs are next on my list :)). sometimes the crossings can be problematic as they can be impossible to identify (if Nick Mutton can't ID it we're probably out of luck) yet are marketed as this or that. Other than being a carpet python, I don't know what the OP's snake is and probably its breeder doesn't really know either. I'm pretty sure it's not a pure IJ as generally recognized by the hobby. The striping indicates coastal, the side blotches hint at a possible diamond influence (though obviously not the classic pattern that give the diamond its common name, I've seen this pattern on a few diamond crosses). All that matters is that the snake is in good hands, appreciated for being an awesome animal and it's offspring are acknowledged as "IJ something".

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I think probably because of certain laws in Australia and maybe a genuine, lack of distinction between the localities early on by "importers", is why we see the cross/mix tag more than we should. That coupled with the race to produce the most colorful morphs probably made true localities more rare than some highly sought after morphs here in the US.

I am very much into locality boa constrictors. I favor anything from a locality over any morph and I prefer "Mother Nature" colors and patterns. Mixing BCC and BCI is taboo to me and many locality breeders seem to hold this same view and keep locality stock separate and pure. I don't see it as often with carpets, and I am not sure if I've ever heard about it in the royal python world. It probably warrants some study as I'm sure there are subtle differences in royals from certain areas.

This is my coastal. http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/DSC01694.jpg

The parents look nothing like her in color or pattern. Both parents resemble "typical" coastal carpets with the mother being around 10 feet long and the father around 8 feet. One of the parents does exhibit some possible diamond traits according to Nick Mutton,

I remember when I first posted her early pictures here people were swearing she was a jungle, but if you have a look at these poor quality photos of the parents, you can see what I'm talking about.

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Those two "dirty" colored snakes produced my girl.http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/DSC01701.jpg

I'm sure she'll brown out with more time but she has held decent coloring and will be 3 years old in the spring.

The book I keep mentioning states even within a clutch, the variation between siblings can be surprising.

Anyhow, the O/P does in fact have a very pretty snake and will certainly enjoy it.

Good discussion!

I love the discussion that has popped up in this thread I've learned quite a bit. Here are some more pics of my little buddy to share with you guys.
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Sorry for the bad lighting in those [emoji14]
And here's him taking a rat pink for me.
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He's looking good!

Has the nippyness decreased yet?

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He's looking good!

Has the nippyness decreased yet?

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A little, had to get him water last night and since he's still digesting he's a little nippy at the moment. But before that he's been calming down quite a bit.

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A little, had to get him water last night and since he's still digesting he's a little nippy at the moment. But before that he's been calming down quite a bit.

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That's great!

Sounds like he coming along quite well.

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That's great!

Sounds like he coming along quite well.

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He's doing quite well and I'm definitely hooked. He's always sitting on top of his hide looking around it's so cool [emoji1]

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That's one exceptional looking IJ you have there Art.

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That's one exceptional looking IJ you have there Art.

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Thank you, he's a great little guy and can't wait for him to put on some size.

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Thank you, he's a great little guy and can't wait for him to put on some size.

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That really is a nice pattern. You owe yourself and snake a chance to show off with some nice pictures!

That snake will look great with some increased natural lighting and a few pictures shot with a better camera.


Example: I-phone in poor lighting.
http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/DSC01338.jpg

The next shots are with a real camera with some natural lighting. I'm NOT very good at taking pictures, but look at what a difference it makes just changing a few things.

I am aware there are some I-Phone pictures that are excellent, but most of mine are not.


http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...1-Version2.jpg

http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/DSC01683.jpg

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If you can't get outdoors because of cold, set your snake up inside and try some other options. I know the colors on your animal are MUCH better than what we are seeing so far!

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That really is a nice pattern. You owe yourself and snake a chance to show off with some nice pictures!

That snake will look great with some increased natural lighting and a few pictures shot with a better camera.


Example: I-phone in poor lighting.
http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/DSC01338.jpg

The next shots are with a real camera with some natural lighting. I'm NOT very good at taking pictures, but look at what a difference it makes just changing a few things.

I am aware there are some I-Phone pictures that are excellent, but most of mine are not.


http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...1-Version2.jpg

http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/DSC01683.jpg

http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/DSC01707.jpg


If you can't get outdoors because of cold, set your snake up inside and try some other options. I know the colors on your animal are MUCH better than what we are seeing so far!

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I'll be getting some better pics hopefully this weekend, my S6 takes some pretty awesome pictures. So since I don't have a real camera... yet, I'll just have to settle. But more pics will come soon [emoji4]

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Looking forward to seeing them!

Hey sorry im new here and cant figure out how to make a new thread but i recently purchased a ars 7030 rack (41 qt tubs) and my friend who owns a reptile store told me the irian jaya carpets are ok in these tubs if you put things for them to climb on because they max around 5 feet. Im just here for confirmation. I dont want to get a pair and not be able to give them what they need. Thank you and sorry for not posting a new thread.

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Hey sorry im new here and cant figure out how to make a new thread but i recently purchased a ars 7030 rack (41 qt tubs) and my friend who owns a reptile store told me the irian jaya carpets are ok in these tubs if you put things for them to climb on because they max around 5 feet. Im just here for confirmation. I dont want to get a pair and not be able to give them what they need. Thank you and sorry for not posting a new thread.

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Wecolme to the forum Mike. :)

Once you've seen how much these guys move about, especially up high, you won't want to restrict it in a tub.

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Mack the Knife, Coastal Carpet

You may be able to give it climbing opportunities till it is 1 1/2 years or so with a tub. After that, you will get much more enjoyment with a display type enclosure, as seen by Gio's photos a few pages back.

None me of my Carpets will use their hides unless I mount them on the ceiling. They love being up in air which makes them so enjoyable to watch. They even hunt and feed from up high which is a real blast to watch.

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Esmarelda, Jungle Carpet on the hunt

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I think tubs are ok for Balls, but I am anti-tub when it comes to Carpets. I'm sure there are many here that disagree with me, but that's what the forum is for, to express our views. :)

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Bingo!

Reinz is spot on. Your snake will eat, grow, and breed just fine if you keep it in a tub, but carpets are so much fun to watch especially when you give them perching and climbing options. You'd be doing yourself a disservice sticking your carpet in a tub imo. :)

My little carpet has touched the floor of her cage probably 2 times in about 2.5 weeks. She LOVES her pvc gym. The only time she went on the floor was to inspect everything and make sure there weren't any "intruders" I guess because since then she just bounces around the gym, sitting on the lower level and then going up to the top level under the CHE and then over to the cool side of the gym etc. Definitely get your carpet a taller cage. If she is like mine, she will love you long time :D I'll be ordering little Allison a T12 here pretty soon...or if I remember, I might buy a cheap digital camera so I can post some pictures of my gals lol.

When given the opportunity, all of my Carpets take to the air. Then won't even touch their hides on the ground. As soon as I present a hide on the ceiling, they go for it.

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Etta, Coastal Carpet

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When given the opportunity, all of my Carpets take to the air. Then won't even touch their hides on the ground. As soon as I present a hide on the ceiling, they go for it.

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Etta, Coastal Carpet

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That's totally kick A$$!!

Looks great up in that hide.

I sure hope I enjoy my retic as much as my coastal.

I used Cody's idea (Reptileexperts), but I learned that it takes overkill on the mirror hangers for adult Coastals. My first one was done for Lizzy, my big girl. She took to it immediately. A few days later I heard a huge crash in the snake room. I had thought that Lizzy or Elenore had blown out the plastic sliding doors again. But Lizzy was too heavy and must have been moving around in the hide, she and the hide came tumbling down two feet.

Theses Reptile Basic hides are flexible. 2 hangers on each side won't cut it for an adult. That's why I now use 4 in the back, 3 per side and front. The front ones can be easily twisted 90+ degrees so that the hide can slide out easy for cleaning.

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Lizzy's new one just installed for her AP T-25 assembly.

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I sure hope I enjoy my retic as much as my coastal.

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I'm really looking forward to hearing your experiences and seeing photos as well.