Tri-stripe

OK, it doesnt seem like much of anyone is doing anything with the tri-stripe gene, it is one of my favorites. Does anyone know if something is wrong with the gene or if there not proving out? or are they just new and not many people have gotten to them?

what i have seen from the tri-stripe is not many people have it and those who do want a huge amount of cash even for a het
i saw a tri albino last week on ks and they wanted like 5k for it
I like the morph but no way am i going to drop that kind of cash on it when in my opinion there are better morphs out there

If a tri-stripe can be made, why not 2 or 3 more added on each side.? would LOVE to see that in the future.. :gj: :gj:

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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

If a tri-stripe can be made, why not 2 or 3 more added on each side.? would LOVE to see that in the future.. :gj: :gj:

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That's not how it works...

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You can buy a 100% yet for 500. That's still pretty steep considering how much work you're going to have to do to prove it out and actually get a visual try stripe. I would love to drop 500 on one but you can buy a lot of snakes for $500 that look like some more that you want.

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Originally Posted by Yodawagon

You can buy a 100% yet for 500. That's still pretty steep considering how much work you're going to have to do to prove it out and actually get a visual try stripe. I would love to drop 500 on one but you can buy a lot of snakes for $500 that look like some more that you want.

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you can buy a 100% het male for 500 a 66%het female is 750 on morph market right now and is the only female het ive seen so figure a 100%het female is 1000-1500 if a 66% is 750 also if you can find one
no matter what way you go you still have at least 3 years to prove anything out and get a visual tri stripe
i would have to agree that 500 buys some nice snakes and to me the tri stripe just isnt worth it

I wouldn't pay that much for a 66% possible het when you are going to need the 100% het male regardless. Raising him up one season and putting him to a several adult females is not going to set you back more than 1 season in the project. Hold back all of the girls he produces and in 2 years pair him to them. You should be able to start cranking out a fair number of visuals from a 100% het male within 3-4 years only.

i agree that 750 is way too much for any 66% het the odds can pay off but you can get burned too
but if you look at the math on the 100%het to a bunch of normals
het to het is 1 in 4
figure 50% of the females will not have the gene
so if you paired him to 10 normals and got say 6 egg average off of the 10
50/50 split males /females (tho we all know it doesnt work that way)
thats 15 het and 15 normal females
then het to him x15 is (going with the 6 egg average)90 eggs
1 in 4 off 90 is 22
now that is just averages (and we all know how the gene deity's are) and you are looking at along time and a lot of work to get those visuals.
another factor is that in 4 years needed to produce said visuals they may not be demanding the prices that they are now
I personaly do not have 10 females i could afford to spare for a season to produce a bunch of normal 50% het
also i do not breed my females at 2 in my collection they must be 3 years old and 1600 grams or they do not see a male
I know that they can be bred younger and smaller but i find i get larger healthier eggs and hatchlings if i wait

My point is getting a 66% possible het female isn't really going to save you much time, just 1 season really, and certainly doesn't seem like a risk I'd take for $750. I'd rather go with a single 100% het male and take the extra year. Another bonus is you can pair him to some cool stuff and possibly be producing some wild homozygous combos in same 3-4 year period. The main constraint in this route is space - you're going to need to hold back a lot of animals and many of these(ones that don't prove out) are barely going to be worth the money you put into raising them up.

I personally would only pair the 100% male to 2-3 females because of his size - breeding a yearling to 10 females is a terrible idea. I reckon, in this hypothetical, I'd put him to some of my larger clutch producing single/double gene females. This should give me a fair number of females to hold back and raise up for a couple years. The male would be on hiatus for these growout years to so he can basically max out on size and get ready to go to work when they're ready.

I'm curious, what's your average clutch size for 3 year old virgin females? I paired up a couple 2 year olds last season and got 7 eggs from one and 8(1 infertile) from the other. I breed seasonally though so when I say 2 year olds, that means they are ~27 months when they start pairing and ~32 months when they drop their clutches. Not all females have a good enough body build that I'll breed at this age, usually comes down to how long their puberty fast lasts, but those who do seem to produce pretty good sized clutches.

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Originally Posted by Cbean

OK, it doesnt seem like much of anyone is doing anything with the tri-stripe gene, it is one of my favorites. Does anyone know if something is wrong with the gene or if there not proving out? or are they just new and not many people have gotten to them?

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Sorry for somewhat hijacking your thread. As far as I know, nothing is wrong with the gene. It just takes a fair bit more time for recessives to drop in value so it's still mostly the larger, or more monetarily committed, breeders working with them. It also makes for a safer investment even though it takes longer, and is more costly, to set up a recessive project. They hold their value far longer than these animals that drop from 50k to 5k in a couple seasons.

Couldn't you just breed a 100% het male, to say 1 female, hold back all the female hatchlings, and breed them back to the male? Each female has a 50% chance on being het. Right?

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Originally Posted by Yodawagon

Couldn't you just breed a 100% het male, to say 1 female, hold back all the female hatchlings, and breed them back to the male? Each female has a 50% chance on being het. Right?

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Yes but you need a larger pool to start seeing any consistency with those averages. Here's an example from 1 snake and since in the earlier hypotheticals we're putting a het to her, there's no visual way of telling if we had a crap out on the odds or not until we raise animals up and prove them out.

Pastel Female: in these 3 seasons, none of the sires carried the pastel gene
clutch 1) 3/5 snakes with pastel gene 60%
clutch 2) 6/7 snakes with pastel gene 86%
clutch 3) 0/6 snakes with pastel gene 0%

Average pastel gene passed on from these 3 clutches, 50% - right on the money. Which isn't really what I expected from a smaller sample size but it still works to my point. You can kill the odds in a single clutch, the odds can kill you, or anything in between. The more clutches you throw into the pile, the closer you will come to seeing the proper averages.

my average is around 9 but on one clutch i got 14 (last season)
it is the size of the eggs that i like i get 120 gram eggs all the time
nice big healthy babies too


and i would agree not to put him to 10 females was just saying that if you did
I would not put a yearling male to more than 3 maybe 4 tops but even then the odds can kill you as you said

on the other side if i did find a het tri for say the 350 mark well he would be mine :)

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Originally Posted by Yodawagon

Couldn't you just breed a 100% het male, to say 1 female, hold back all the female hatchlings, and breed them back to the male? Each female has a 50% chance on being het. Right?

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the issue here is there is no guarantee that you would even get a female or even if you got 9 females no guarantee that any would carry the tri stripe gene
this is why we breed to 3 or 4 or more that way you have a better chance of getting the visual tri-stripe when you breed back