It is a honeybee

A few may remember. But the BP you all told me was a spider is actually a honeybee. Just got an email from the person I traded with saying that it shed and was clear other than a small blood spot. Thanks for the misidentification.

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Originally Posted by locolobito

A few may remember. But the BP you all told me was a spider is actually a honeybee. Just got an email from the person I traded with saying that it shed and was clear other than a small blood spot. Thanks for the misidentification.

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Typically, if it isn't completely obvious what the animal is, it probably isn't a good example of the morph. All anyone here is doing is looking at pictures and taking their best guesses. No one is out to purposely misidentify anything. Good on you if the animal ends up being the double!

We can only go by the photos someone posts.
Clear or not still a spider.
Don't see any Hypo in your photo.

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Going by the pictures I would never identify that as a honeybee.

Picking it back up on my way out of state. You all have fun.

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Remember YOUR the one who traded it right away not us..I would still say spider by the picture

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It was traded for a humblebee. With option of buying back or waiting till bred to his orange ghost and buying one of the hatchlings.

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I've hatched a few honeybees and would never think that is a honeybee. are you even sure your humblebee is a humblebee?

So what you're saying is all of the people here with the wealth of experience identifying genetics are mistaken and the person who is representing the animal as a Honeybee is sticking to their guns and still saying it's a Honeybee. Well, I'm convinced. You sure showed us.

Glad you getting that spider. Good looking spider. what i really like is the spider combos but just the regular spiders are really cool...like the one you picking up again.

To rlditmars, not taking nothing away from anybody who knows their bp's. I respect some of the input I have received from several individuals on this forum. bigfish1975 for example. The bp went to different breeder, not the hobbyist originally purchased from.
And to ohhwataloser, 100% written and noterized document convinces me that I have a humblebee.

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To rlditmars, not taking nothing away from anybody who knows their bp's. I respect some of the input I have received from several individuals on this forum. bigfish1975 for example. The bp went to different breeder, not the hobbyist originally purchased from.
And to ohhwataloser, 100% written and noterized document convinces me that I have a humblebee.

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Notarized? As in by a Notary Public?

Yes a notary public

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Yes a notary public

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For what purpose?

Honestly I don't know. But my guess from wording, is because he wants to keep the money spent and his collection? Wants happy and repeat customers? Hard to say really.

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Honestly I don't know. But my guess from wording, is because he wants to keep the money spent and his collection? Wants happy and repeat customers? Hard to say really.

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Huh. First ball python breeder I've heard of that feels the need to have his reputation notarized.

Everyone does business differntly. Every time I buy property I want it done with a lawyer present. What's wrong with that? Nobodies word is any good in today's society (my opinion).

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Everyone does business differntly. Every time I buy property I want it done with a lawyer present. What's wrong with that? Nobodies word is any good in today's society (my opinion).

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I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. It's just uncommon (to say the least) in this hobby, so I was curious and asked. Nothing more, nothing less.

People have bought many snakes with out a notary public. In fact, I'd be willing to guess almost all transactions have happened without a notary public. Including the $50,000+ ones. The notary will have no idea what a honeybee ball python is. That paper means nothing.

All a notary does is vouch that you are the person you say you are when you sign a document. So, congratulations, you have a document that says that the breeder is the person he says he is.

Even by the off chance that the snake is a honeybee, it is the poorest example of one ever and not something to come on here and make a fool of yourself over. If you don't want people's opinions on your snake, don't ask.

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100% written and noterized document convinces me that I have a humblebee.

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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Anyone can do that, paperwork is only has good as the breeder, getting a notary seal is something very easy to do also and does not mean much.

My advice to you

A/ You have a lot to learn don't by something unless you can identify it.

B/ Buy from a REPUTABLE breeder so you won't have to worry or wonder if what you are buying is what it is.

Nice SPIDER btw :gj: (picture that was quoted here is not a honeybee)

Im sorry but I'm also one that would say just a spider. I've produce two honeybees and they look far different then the one you have.



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If you can't ID it yourself, don't be rude to people who are trying to do it for you, even if they do end up being wrong (which I'm pretty sure they aren't).

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You aint ever met me.
My word is all I got AND I back it up too.
Your opinion, my fact. :gj:

Hope I never meet ya either.
Call my snake what you want. It's a ghost spider from the hobbyist. The orange ghost spider and ghost bumblebee are from breeder. I don't expect breeder to put their mark on hobbyist project. Now I got 2 ghost genes in my collection and brother has his.
Dueces

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My English is the worst ever in this forum, maybe cause of that I don't understand nothing... Help please, I hate to be confused.

What I get : OP bought a spider from a hobbyist what was told honeybee (hypo-, ghost-, orange ghost-, whatever...). After that spider was a gift from his brother, after he traded the spider to a humble bee (with notary), after he gave to someone beer and money who said that spider is a honeybee and gave back money to someone else. Now he have the two snakes somehow. Am I correct? :weirdface

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You need to surround yourself with better people then.

Dave

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10...9b11cd429d.jpgthis is one of the best things a seller can give you...has parent pics and even what produced the parents....if a seller cant offer up pics of the parents he is a flipping animals or b he is hiding something....at the end of the day all I have is my word and I stand by my word...I know that any of my friends are the same way...maby it was how I was raised...at the end of the day if your happy then good for you its your animal not mine

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If 'nobody's word is any good any more' what makes your so called breeder/hobbiest's word any good? Sounds more likely that *one* person is lying to you rather than all of us on the forum are conspiring against you and lying.

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Hope I never meet ya either.
Call my snake what you want. It's a ghost spider from the hobbyist. The orange ghost spider and ghost bumblebee are from breeder. I don't expect breeder to put their mark on hobbyist project. Now I got 2 ghost genes in my collection and brother has his.
Dueces

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No idea what all that means but FYI aside from a few breeders here who do this for a living the majority how hobbyists.

Still does not make your snake a honeybee but if it makes you happy to call it that by all mean.

Not sure why you are so againt genuine people trying to help you, NO ONE here has anything to gain from this. Your loss.

Hopefully in the future you will not be one of those that mislabel animals that they sell, because if you do, you won't last long as a breeder.....well unless you find people like yourself with limited knowledge who think they know better, even when told otherwise.

Good luck with your Spider named Honeybee.



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I have heard and read of people saying that occasionally they get het ghosts that will shed clear just like full ghosts.

Good heavens op really people just want to help no need to be upset with the forum members. No body is perfect not even you or your breeder so Please let's have a little respect for each other. If your happy with your new baby that's great........

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ill sell you a scaleless it looks like it has scales but i got it notarized, its legit bro! real cheap!

OP, nice spider! It has been said before but I will say it again, that is not a Honeybee, it MAY be a Spider Het Hypo which is nice. But that's it, no need to insult the opinions of people who have been breeding Ball Pythons far longer than you've had interest in them. Word of advice: don't ask questions if you don't want to hear the answer, especially if the answer is already made out in your head. Because here, you'll get a professional opinion, which usually turns out to be fact more often than not. Have a nice day and enjoy your great example of the Spider morph.

Okay if I see any more name calling, or other general nastiness this thread gets locked.

All a notary does is verify the person who signed the document is who they say they are. Most notaroes know nothing of snakes. Wouldnt be able to tell you of it were a python or boa much less what morph. I dont pretend to know a lot anout morphs and what is what...but i jave come here and asked myself what morph i have...and i can honestly say I 100% trust and appreciate all of the breeders here who have been in this business a long time. ..not saying they dont make a mistake from time to time but spider,humblebee and bumblebee are all basic morphs that even i can identify.

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All a notary does is verify the person who signed the document is who they say they are. Most notaroes know nothing of snakes. Wouldnt be able to tell you of it were a python or boa much less what morph.
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:gj: Correct they will notarize ANYTHING so long signature matches the name on the ID, and the ID matches the person carrying it.

They will even notarize a french document even though they do not speak the language, the content of the document is NOT what they notarize it's the signature.

Plus I believe for $50/$100 ANYONE can become a Notary.

I appreciate the help here and I've become very picky, Example Joes Pythons has a Ivory Ball for 160.00 and I can't find out the info I need now over at Ball city are In web store the Ivory is 300.00 plus shipping and has all the history Parents Grand Parents etc I will purchase the 300.00 plus 50.00 to ship because I know what I'm getting. A little research goes a long way with me.[emoji106]


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I just looked at 2 Honey Bees at Garrick DeMeyer web site oh my they are Beautiful, perhaps this will help the OP He has some freaking Beautiful Balls.

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My Mom is a notary public and so is my step mother if I write on a piece of paper "Justin McKinney is God" and have one of them stamp it does that make it true?

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Man, I hope you're not getting ripped off by believing someone that you're getting a full on honeybee. Good luck though!

It's possible that you have found the ONLY honeybee in existence that looks like a normal spider, with zero ghost characteristics showing at all. But, I wouldn't bet on it at all. But it's your money to risk and your reputation at risk and your time to raise it up and breed it and find out that you were wrong after feeding it two years.

My advice to you is that if you insist on believing that's a honeybee, keep it out of sight and don't ever show it to knowledgable breeders while saying it's a honeybee. They might decide you don't know anything and either not want to deal with you, or decide you're trying to scam THEM.

I'm not saying you are, or would, but it's a risk and in this hobby/business, all you have is your reputation. I wouldn't want to hear that you've ditched yours this early over a honeybee/spider.

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I think we are dealing with a hot headed "kid." I don't know if it's just me, but his last post and this attempt to say "I told ya so," in this thread is a sure sign of immaturity and stupidity. Good luck with that kid......:gj:

Okay, we're done.