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Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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The fist snake is a spider, maybe even hypo.
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
Yup, definitely a spider maybe even a combo I'm not sure. I will tell you that this is not a bumble bee!
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by h00blah
The fist snake is a spider, maybe even hypo.
How can you tell if it's a hypo?
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by gameonpython
Yup, definitely a spider maybe even a combo I'm not sure. I will tell you that this is not a bumble bee!
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What's the difference between combo and hypo?
Sorry I'm new! They're my first :) I've only had them 3 days
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by Yodawagon
Thanks!
The spider they show isn't her. She's way lighter than that one on their website.....
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
Hypo, also referred to as the ghost, is a recessive morph. A combo is a combination of morphs. For example, your snake could be a spider hypo combo.
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by gameonpython
Hypo, also referred to as the ghost, is a recessive morph. A combo is a combination of morphs. For example, your snake could be a spider hypo combo.
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Goodness. I had no idea it could be so complicated lol is there any way to tell what she is?
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by boots01
Goodness. I had no idea it could be so complicated lol is there any way to tell what she is?
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If you had picture that look like her, we could tell you right away. Solid color background, couple of daylight bulbs, and keeping your hand out of the picture would most likely show up much better.
or if she looks like any of these https://www.google.com/search?q=hone...IVhIwNCh1Dfw2x
how ever with as much black as is showing up in your one picture, I doubt she would be hypo.
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by h00blah
The fist snake is a spider, maybe even hypo.
This.
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
Normal spider and I would slow down with the breeding talk you have alot to learn before you even attempt breeding...fyi its hard to sell a snake when you cant even tell what the parents were
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser
If you had picture that look like her, we could tell you right away. Solid color background, couple of daylight bulbs, and keeping your hand out of the picture would most likely show up much better.
or if she looks like any of these https://www.google.com/search?q=hone...IVhIwNCh1Dfw2x
how ever with as much black as is showing up in your one picture, I doubt she would be hypo.
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...FQ40iAodpN4AfQ
She looks like the lighter one in that picture. I'll see if I can get a better picture of her today. She's showing darker in these pics than she is
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by frostysBP
Normal spider and I would slow down with the breeding talk you have alot to learn before you even attempt breeding...fyi its hard to sell a snake when you cant even tell what the parents were
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I'm not planning on doing it for a year or two. I'm just curious on potentional color. The friend I got them from told me one thing but I dont think it's true. And I'm not looking to sell. They'd be for me or family. And I'd only do it once. I don't really like selling animals, too many abusive homes, I don't like risking it
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Looks like a HoneyBee to me ( a hypo/ghost spider) the black marking are dull and brownish instead of dark thick black. Could be the lighting though
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...9283beee06.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...7fc6ce157e.jpg
It's really hard to get a pic of her light coloring.... Her eyes almost look greenish? I'm gonna have to get out my real camera I think
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by BigJay
Looks like a HoneyBee to me ( a hypo/ghost spider) the black marking are dull and brownish instead of dark thick black. Could be the lighting though
Yes, she doesn't have black, it's more brown. And she's yellow /tan colored with yellow specks close to get underside
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
yes it can be complicated i've done a lot of research before purchasing any and the help of everyone here on this forum and emails to Brain @ BHB Enterprise, but the best thing i can suggest (since im still new to this as well and still learning all the over 4,000 different morphs of ball pythons. lol) is to go http://www.worldofballpythons.com and in the search bar type spider because u can tell it has spider in it and it will show you every morph the has Spider in it, and go through and look to find one that looks like what you have. there is going to be a lot to look through but it will show u everything with spider gene in it, and usually have several pic of babies and adults of that morph unless rare or new. good luck! they both look awesome. and as mentioned above you can go to the genetic wizard @ http://www.worldofballpythons.com and put in what u have male/female and will show you possibilities and odds. Good Luck! :)
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by somdballs
Yes! Maybe just a little darker but not much!
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by somdballs
She has a little more tan to her color and a little less yellow but it's really hard to tell in pictures
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
She may not be OG (orange ghost) which is another hypo. She could be just ghost. Mine that I produced last year was orange ghost.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...1d36f24538.jpg
This baby is an honey bee. Yours looks like a ghost just not the orange ghost line.
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by Solarsoldier001
She may not be OG (orange ghost) which is another hypo. She could be just ghost. ... Yours looks like a ghost just not the orange ghost line.
Huh? A Ghost is a two gene animal (Axanthic/Hypo).
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by Eric Alan
Huh? A Ghost is a two gene animal (Axanthic/Hypo).
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...he-ghost-lines
There are a lot of different lines of ghost
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by Solarsoldier001
You're right - there are several different lines of Hypo. ;)
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by Solarsoldier001
She may not be OG (orange ghost) which is another hypo. She could be just ghost. Mine that I produced last year was orange ghost.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...1d36f24538.jpg
This baby is an honey bee. Yours looks like a ghost just not the orange ghost line.
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She looks just like that! Just a smidge darker!
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
I think she's either a honey bee or a ghost spider
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by boots01
I think she's either a honey bee or a ghost spider
Which are exactly the same two gene animals. :P
Honey Bee = Ghost Spider = Hypo Spider
EDIT: We just had this exact same conversation earlier this week (see here: honey bee vs ghost spider). :gj:
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Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by Eric Alan
Which are exactly the same two gene animals. :P
Honey Bee = Ghost Spider = Hypo Spider
EDIT: We just had this exact same conversation earlier this week (see here: honey bee vs ghost spider). :gj:
Oh goodness. I'll get this whole thing eventually lol genetics aren't my strong suit! I was told she was a bumble bee but I was looking at pictures and there's no way she is one. At least I'm figuring out what she is so I can research it :)
Thank you!!
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
What does the "het " mean after the name?
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by boots01
Hypo is a recessive gene. It means in order to see it visually in the offspring, both parents need to be carrying the gene and they both need to pass it along in the pairing.
"Het" means they are carrying the recessive gene (and could pass it along to their offspring), but you wouldn't be able to see it visually.
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
Mike at porterspythons.com help me a lot on the issue
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by Solarsoldier001
Are you sure you are not seeing what you want to see? I mean look at these picture together there is a huge difference between them and one is actually your snake.. The honeybee pattern is washed almost gray. I think it would be hard for even the worst camera to turn the pattern black. I'm not seeing hypo in these pics at all. The bathroom picture color of looked like it, but obviously the warm white bulbs are distorting the color and the pattern is still pretty black. Hypo is short for hypomelanistic which is a reduction in black.
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser
Are you sure you are not seeing what you want to see? I mean look at these picture together there is a huge difference between them and one is actually your snake.. The honeybee pattern is washed almost gray. I think it would be hard for even the worst camera to turn the pattern black. I'm not seeing hypo in these pics at all. The bathroom picture color of looked like it, but obviously the warm white bulbs are distorting the color and the pattern is still pretty black. Hypo is short for hypomelanistic which is a reduction in black.
I honestly don't even know what I want to see... I think she's beautiful, no matter what she is. I am more just wondering what she is cause she looks nothing like the bumble bee. She's allot lighter than that picture shows. I really can't get a good picture of her. I will see if I can find some expert in the Charleston area in wv and see what they think. Maybe I when I think of black I think of black. She's pretty brown to me but who knows! I know nothing lol just trying to educate myself so I don't sound like a dumbie when I talk about them
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Mike at porterspythons.com help me a lot on the issue
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Thanks!!
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
Definitely a spidery type of morph, but not a bumble bee. This is a bumble bee. Your girl is pretty though.
http://i61.tinypic.com/20gb5ug.jpg
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If there is something there, I would lean more toward fire over hypo. Fire tends to keep the black better. We can say with 100% certainty it is a spider, perhaps there is something else there, but without accurate photo its hard to make that call. You won't feel like a dummy when you say its a spider and i'm sure you will get compliments on how nice it looks for a spider.
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by duckschainsaw
Yeah, she looks nothing like that! At least I've narrowed that part done :) her lines aren't that dark
Yours is beautiful!
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser
If there is something there, I would lean more toward fire over hypo. Fire tends to keep the black better. We can say with 100% certainty it is a spider, perhaps there is something else there, but without accurate photo its hard to make that call. You won't feel like a dummy when you say its a spider and i'm sure you will get compliments on how nice it looks for a spider.
I'll look at fire pictures :) I haven't heard of that type.
Would natural daylight help with pictures? I don't have the lights someone had mentioned for pictures. The pictures of her in her bathroom are most like her.
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser
If there is something there, I would lean more toward fire over hypo. Fire tends to keep the black better. We can say with 100% certainty it is a spider, perhaps there is something else there, but without accurate photo its hard to make that call. You won't feel like a dummy when you say its a spider and i'm sure you will get compliments on how nice it looks for a spider.
Thanks for the help!
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser
Are you sure you are not seeing what you want to see? I mean look at these picture together there is a huge difference between them and one is actually your snake.. The honeybee pattern is washed almost gray. I think it would be hard for even the worst camera to turn the pattern black. I'm not seeing hypo in these pics at all. The bathroom picture color of looked like it, but obviously the warm white bulbs are distorting the color and the pattern is still pretty black. Hypo is short for hypomelanistic which is a reduction in black.
Not saying I'm prefect at making ids but the pairing was het to het and the honey bee got lighter and lighter after ever shed and more purple orange with every shed.
My hypo when born.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...301d90e51b.jpg
My normal spider when born
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...c21eb198db.jpg
Hypo
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...0c64fdc061.jpg
Normal
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...6fcd6f1223.jpg
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by Solarsoldier001
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...f4894fa63b.jpg
This! But a little darker. I think she's 2 but my friend was wrong about what morph she is so I'm not 100% sure her age or how many times she's shed
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
I'm voting that your snake is just a nice light spider.
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by gameonpython
I'm voting that your snake is just a nice light spider.
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I think I could see that... She's def not an easy one. I'm hoping to find a "professional" to take her to!
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by Solarsoldier001
I'm pretty sure he was talking about the OP's animal - not yours. ;)
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by boots01
I think I could see that... She's def not an easy one. I'm hoping to find a "professional" to take her to!
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Yes, morphs can be very tricky, especially when you have no background information on them. I still am clueless as to what my supposedly pastel is! As far as finding a professional, I would ask multiple ball python breeders, or go to a reptile expo and ask around what people think she is. Everyone sees a snake a little differently, so it's best to get multiple opinions. Were you planning on breeding her? If not, I wouldn't worry too much on figuring out her morph. It can prove to be almost impossible in some cases. If you do plan on breeding, then you can figure out what she is depending on the babies she produces. Good luck!
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by Eric Alan
I'm pretty sure he was talking about the OP's animal - not yours. ;)
Exactly, I was just using the picture to put the OP animal next to one that is obviously a honeybee.
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I would say it's a light colored spider. Each morph has quite a bit of variation for the individuals.
The "het" is before the name, also, not after the name. To make sure it's clear for you, when you saw "Cinnamon Het Ghost", the "het" goes with the "Ghost" not with the "Cinnamon". So the het is before the trait, not after the trait? It's always "het ghost" or "het albino" when it's written out like that. BUT, when snake folks are talking, sometimes they refer to a snake carrying ghost or albino as a "het" so sometimes "het" is used as an adjective, and sometimes it's a noun.
Het ghost would also mean that the animal carries the ghost gene BUT looks normal. It doesn't show any sign of the ghost, because it just carries the trait and it's offspring might get that gene too. So that Cinnamon Het Ghost would look like a regular cinnamon.
It's a lot of fun when you're just learning about all these different morphs and pretty confusing too. The widgets on the websites that let you put in different animals to see what you could produce are a lot of fun. Breeding is a lot of work and money too though.
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Re: Help identifying?? Was told a bumble bee but thinking a kind of spider?
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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound
I would say it's a light colored spider. Each morph has quite a bit of variation for the individuals.
The "het" is before the name, also, not after the name. To make sure it's clear for you, when you saw "Cinnamon Het Ghost", the "het" goes with the "Ghost" not with the "Cinnamon". So the het is before the trait, not after the trait? It's always "het ghost" or "het albino" when it's written out like that. BUT, when snake folks are talking, sometimes they refer to a snake carrying ghost or albino as a "het" so sometimes "het" is used as an adjective, and sometimes it's a noun.
Het ghost would also mean that the animal carries the ghost gene BUT looks normal. It doesn't show any sign of the ghost, because it just carries the trait and it's offspring might get that gene too. So that Cinnamon Het Ghost would look like a regular cinnamon.
It's a lot of fun when you're just learning about all these different morphs and pretty confusing too. The widgets on the websites that let you put in different animals to see what you could produce are a lot of fun. Breeding is a lot of work and money too though.
I think that makes sense! I'll just need to read it like 70 times then read about 300 more articles on it lol genetics aren't my strong point.....
What does lesser mean? The male is SuppoSedly a cinnamon lesser.
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lesser is a morph, short for lesser platinum.
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