Champagne Wobble?

Hi guys, just wanted to get your opinions. He was feeding fine last week but when I opened his tub a few nights ago to feed him, I was surprised that he's uncoordinated, and corkscrewing his neck. He even accidentally bit himself and coiled. I removed his coil and he slumped on his back like dead, I was really worried. Last night I tried to feed him by leaving a pre-killed mice in his tub, I saw him bit and coiled unto it but he was struggling to eat it because of his head. This morning I saw the mice is still there and he just stopped.

Can anybody confirm that this is still wobble or something else? :please: Thank you in advanced for your insights and opinions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE3-v8Y2Nmw

Here's another short video I took a few nights ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc3hORY97II

He didn't manage to eat the prey due to his "wobble".. Is there a way to calm his condition like increasing or decreasing temperature?

The blood streaks are from the mouse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbE0ZzwZeJo

That's not wobble, that's severe neurological damage. It's usually caused by excessive heat, pesticides, or disease.

What are the temperatures in the enclosure?

Have you treated for mites recently, or have any other pesticides been used on the property recently?

Have you brought in any other snakes in the last six months, and if so where/how/how long have they been in quarantine?

Personally I would have isolated this snake and called the vet after the first night.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

That's not wobble, that's severe neurological damage. It's usually caused by excessive heat, pesticides, or disease.

What are the temperatures in the enclosure?

Have you treated for mites recently, or have any other pesticides been used on the property recently?

Have you brought in any other snakes in the last six months, and if so where/how/how long have they been in quarantine?

Personally I would have isolated this snake and called the vet after the first night.

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Hi sir, thanks for your opinion. I cannot say excessive heat because it's been raining these past few days in my area. He's also with other tubs containing hatchlings, but all of them are fine. Pesticides, the closest he got from a chemical was the spray cleaner I used to clean his enclosure, which was just a combination of very little lysol, water, and organic cleaner. No, I haven't treated for mites, no pesticides in my property.

I just got him though last month from the breeder.

I isolated his tub about 5 ft away from the others, is this enough? Or does he have to be in a separate room?

I would separate room it asap and if you got it last month why is it with others already anyway quarantine quarantine quarantine. Could be ibd and I would pray its not....and how do you not know if you had excessive heat?????I know what my heat is weather I have 3 feet of snow or 95 and sunny...my snakes enclosures stay the same...confused???

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Lysol to clean cages what????that could be half your problem there


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Lysol to clean cages what????that could be half your problem there


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I said it cannot be excessive heat because I know the temperature in the room.

I use just a little bit of lysol diluted with lots of water to clean tubs through spray because I'm using newspapers as substrate. Aspen bedding is rarely available here in our country and most often they get soaked with water and urine. I frequently replace newspaper as soon as I notice they're wet. Which is almost every other day.

Lysol is deadly to reptiles. You're better off using F10SC or chlorhexidine as an antiseptic.

New arrivals should be quarantined for at least 90 days in a different area (as in, a different room or even building) from your primary collection.

What country are you in? Is it warm enough that you don't need to provide supplemental heat?

[QUOTE=BIO;2379596]Hi sir, thanks for your opinion. I cannot say excessive heat because it's been raining these past few days in my area. .


I didnt see anything about the enclosure temp just that its raining outside???here are the Chemicals in Lysol...im betting that some of those should never come into contact with the snake diluted or not...I have never heard anyone who uses that..im sure others will chime In soon. Ethanol/SD Alcohol, 40 1–3%; fluid that acts as sanitizerIsopropyl alcohol, 1–2%; partly responsible for Lysol's strong odor; acts as sanitizing agent and removes odorp-Chloro-o-benzylphenol, 5–6%; antiseptico-Phenylphenol, 0.1%; antiseptic; in use circa 1980'sPotassium hydroxide, 3–4%Alkyl (50% C14, 40% C12, 10% C16) dimethylbenzyl ammonium saccharinate, 0.10%; microbiocideAlkyl (C12-C18) dimethylbenzylammonium chloride, 0.08%; antisepticAlkyl (C12-C16) dimethylbenzylammonium chloride, 0.02%; antisepticLactic acid:cens0r:as an antiseptic.Hydrogen Peroxide




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So im betting that your neuro issue is lysol related..better than ibd.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

Lysol is deadly to reptiles. You're better off using F10SC or chlorhexidine as an antiseptic.

New arrivals should be quarantined for at least 90 days in a different area (as in, a different room or even building) from your primary collection.

What country are you in? Is it warm enough that you don't need to provide supplemental heat?

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I understand.. been using my cleaning mixture for quite a while now, 3+ years, and this is the first time this happened. :( I'm living in the Philippines that's why I don't have any problems in terms of temperature. The room is always at 29-32C (84-89F) at most.

But will change the mixture right away.

Also remember that we're not veterinarians and are making assumptions about the problem based on what you're telling us. As I said, if my snakes were exhibiting that behavior (including any with the spider gene) then I'd make a vet appointment. Hopefully you have a qualified herp vet near you.

If you don't, all you can really do is quarantine and monitor the one that is showing symptoms in case it's caused by a disease.

That's most definitely due to high heat or cleaners, I've a hatchling champagne and she's completely fine, I'd also say to take it to a reptile vet too, if it's affecting it feeding, it might not end too well.

Has the snake always been like this since you got it? If it has been, it's more than likely due to an incubation issue. Recently I seen a cinnamon that kinda acted like this because there was high temp spikes during incubation


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