What morphs are these?

I'll tell you what these were sold to me as after some people give their guesses, I don't want to influence anyone's opinions before I hear them. I'm 99% sure on what the last one is, but I'd like confirmation on it. If anyone would like to see additional pictures, that is possible, but please keep in mind that I am currently out of town and I have to contact my dad to get them. There's a timezone difference, so it could take a few days. Thanks for looking! :)

#1http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...0/img_0771.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...0/img_0816.jpg


#2 (his eyes are actually very green, it doesn't show up well here)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...img_0770_1.jpg

#3
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...0/img_0773.jpg

My amateur guesses:
Pastel lesser (maybe enchi?), mojave bumblebee, and dragon fly?

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Originally Posted by KitaCat

My amateur guesses:
Pastel lesser (maybe enchi?), mojave bumblebee, and dragon fly?

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Alright, two of those guesses are close to what they were sold to me as. I'm pretty positive that the middle one isn't a mojave bumblebee, seeing as I have a female mojave bumblebee that doesn't look very much like him. Your other two guesses aren't far off what they were sold to me as. That definitely helps me a fair bit. :)

Anyone else have some ideas?

The "mojave bee" was the one I was least confident about - I have one too and she's not quite the same, but the markings have a brownish look to them and I couldn't think of what other gene would do that. 😋

They're all very nice, by the way!

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Originally Posted by KitaCat

The "mojave bee" was the one I was least confident about - I have one too and she's not quite the same, but the markings have a brownish look to them and I couldn't think of what other gene would do that. ��

They're all very nice, by the way!

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Yeah, he's the one that I'm most confused about. I keep second guessing what he is, haha. Every time I pull him out of his tub I end up on WOBP again trying to figure out what his morph is and if the seller was accurate. In person, he's almost caramel and chocolate colored.

Thank you! These three have to be some of the prettiest snakes in my collection. :)

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Originally Posted by Penultimate

Yeah, he's the one that I'm most confused about. I keep second guessing what he is, haha. Every time I pull him out of his tub I end up on WOBP again trying to figure out what his morph is and if the seller was accurate. In person, he's almost caramel and chocolate colored.

Thank you! These three have to be some of the prettiest snakes in my collection. :)

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Caramel and chocolate... interesting! Definitely looks like there's something more than bumblebee in there, in my opinion anyhow.

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Originally Posted by KitaCat

Caramel and chocolate... interesting! Definitely looks like there's something more than bumblebee in there, in my opinion anyhow.

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Yep, there's definitely more than just bumblebee there. He was sold to me as a four gene animal, but I'm not sure that one of those genes is in there.

Hmm. I figure since one person has already guessed, I can say what they were sold to me as now.

#1
Enchi Lesser Pastel

#2
Enchi Lesser Spider Pastel

#3
Super Pastel Fire Pinstripe

I'm not sure if pastel is in #1 or #2. Can anyone confirm that these morphs are accurate or not?

Pastel Lesser Enchi
Lessebee
not sure on #3, I'm thinking Dragonfly

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Originally Posted by TheSnakeEye

Pastel Lesser Enchi
Lessebee
not sure on #3, I'm thinking Dragonfly

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Just out of curiosity, how do you tell if a lesser has pastel with it? I have the hardest time with that.

Hmm, alright. I'm not sure that #2 is just a lesserbee, his pattern is more broken up with wider stripes than I've seen on any lesserbee. Do you have any pictures of subadult lesserbees I could look at?

#3 I'm thinking is a sherbert fly, at least that's what I was told, but she could be a dragonfly. Do you know where I could find pictures of subadult sherbert fly and dragonfly ball pythons? I looked on WOBP, and she looks like the last two pictures on the sherbert fly page. I don't know what a dragonfly looks like when it ages, so that's the only reason I'm not sure on her.

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Originally Posted by Penultimate

Just out of curiosity, how do you tell if a lesser has pastel with it? I have the hardest time with that.

Hmm, alright. I'm not sure that #2 is just a lesserbee, his pattern is more broken up with wider stripes than I've seen on any lesserbee. Do you have any pictures of subadult lesserbees I could look at?

#3 I'm thinking is a sherbert fly, at least that's what I was told, but she could be a dragonfly. Do you know where I could find pictures of subadult sherbert fly and dragonfly ball pythons? I don't know what a dragonfly looks like when it ages, so that's the only reason I'm not sure on her.

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No clue what a Sherbertfly is... I gave up trying to keep up with all the combo names years ago.

You can tell a Lesser has Pastel due to the yellow in it. I am going to attach some pictures to see if they'll help you learn the difference. These snakes were produced by me.

LESSER
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Lesser-M1.png
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Lesser-F3.png

PASTEL LESSER
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/a...stellesser.jpg
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/a...06609376_n.jpg
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/a...-19_143736.jpg

Oh, ok! Yeah, I think I see it now. Thanks! :)

A sherbert fly is basically a super dragonfly. Super pastel fire pinstripe. I'm just not sure which one this girl is.

She does have a very light head! Could certainly be super pastel in there.

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Originally Posted by KitaCat

She does have a very light head! Could certainly be super pastel in there.

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Yes, she does. I've never seen a dragonfly ball python in person before, so this one is kind of throwing me off. I have no clue if dragonflies are supposed to have the light head like that or not.

#1 I think pastel lesser enchi too
#2 I think a lesser stinger
#3 killer spinner enchi?


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Honestly I don't see any reason to think they aren't what they were sold as. First one definitely looks like a lesser enchi pastel. Third one definitely looks like a superfly pinstripe. And the id say the second one could definitely be what the seller said. 3 very nice snakes. I especially like the pin.

Ok. So I'm positive that the first one is a lesser enchi pastel now, thanks everyone! The second one I'm pretty sure is at least lesser enchi spider, but I'm not positive on the pastel yet. I'll look at him right after he sheds and see. He definitely has a bit of yellow at the top of his white sides, so I'm thinking pastel wouldn't be too far fetched. I'm just not sure if that's part of the lesser gene or not. Wish I had just a plain lesser to compare him to... I don't think the pin has enchi or spider in her. She has no wobble even when stressed out or excited, doesn't have any white on her sides, and I'm just not seeing enchi. Plus, I have a big killer spinner girl and she's a totally different shade of yellow. The pin I'm leaning towards super pastel fire pinstripe, but if anyone has some older dragonfly pictures, I'd love to see them.

Thanks, BrianDallek! That pin is amazingly bright in person, just goes to show you what fire can do. I knew I had to have her when I saw her. She's pushing six hundred grams (just came off a hunger strike, very excited about her eating again) and is holding her color nicely. I was just wondering, how can you tell the difference between a dragonfly and a sherbert fly? I haven't seen a dragonfly in person, so any input on that one is very much appreciated. Also, what are the pastel indicators on #2? Thanks!