What is this a very nice normal or bad spider

Hi I have this one baby out of my clutch of 7 so far that threw me off he doesn't look quite normal but doesn't look like a spider he kinda has the spider banding going on but sorts normal colors the dad was a normal spider I think and the mom was a normal http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07...5b60581956.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07...4aa20d58b0.jpg
Here is the momhttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07...c7dc98aae1.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07...4815d09f65.jpg
And the dadhttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07...3c49a19dd5.jpg

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Its a normal. Look at the head

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07...b2b776d744.jpg
Like I know the siblings that are out are for sure normal but that one is just really different looking to me

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The head is different then the siblings as well its faded in the center not solid black

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I'll try and get a better pic cause the flash almost completely covers the faded spot

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Looks like a very nice normal, it definitely isn't a Spider.

It's by far my favorite normal by far then lol I thought it was a spider in the egg because the pattern but then when he fully came out I was confused

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That would be a keeper for me, male or female - I'd fit it into something to try and replicate that sweet pattern!

Yea that's what I want to do but I don't have any more bps with that much reduced pattern except my Vpi axanthic female but idk if that's just a trait that axanthic carry because I know that the recessive desert ghost have a very nice reduced pattern

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Excellent quality normal. Terrific reduced pattern. I'd be proud to own that snake.

Gale

Baby 1
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07...fb6c08f552.jpg
Baby 2
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07...970c79f403.jpg
Baby 3
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07...860ce17b21.jpg
Baby 4
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07...2ae3403dd8.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07...9d475f8875.jpg
1 more is in the middle of hatching and the other 2 may take another day or soo

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What I'd really really like to do with the one really reduced pattern one is take that into banana or even bumblebees

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Definitely a normal with nice reduced pattern.

I wonder if you don't have a recessive gene there, something like Corey Woods Banded gene. http://coreywoods.com/banded.shtml It's the two siblings who are normals who make me think that. They look a lot like the non-banded ones at http://uintahreptiles.com, I should know it was my male in that breeder trade (check the news feed).

That's what I thought he was at first but then thought probably not but I'll check his belly for the lateral lines

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These are some more of him

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Ok, since this was a breeder trade clutch I only have part of it, but here are the pictures I have handy (sorry cell phone pics). I left them untouched in case you want as much detail as the original images have.

Pre shed:
http://user.xmission.com/~ramcat/ima...edsiblings.jpg

Post shed:
http://user.xmission.com/~ramcat/ima...bandedmale.jpg

The male (pictured alone) is not eating yet. I am trying all of @Deborah's tricks and just being patient with him. Otherwise I'd have him out for a photo-shoot.

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The one spider sibling seems to kinda have banding aswell

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Originally Posted by SamO

Ok, since this was a breeder trade clutch I only have part of it, but here are the pictures I have handy (sorry cell phone pics). I left them untouched in case you want as much detail as the original images have.

Pre shed:
http://user.xmission.com/~ramcat/ima...edsiblings.jpg

Post shed:
http://user.xmission.com/~ramcat/ima...bandedmale.jpg

The male (pictured alone) is not eating yet. I am trying all of @Deborah's tricks and just being patient with him. Otherwise I'd have him out for a photo-shoot.

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He is looking nice

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Originally Posted by dylanjwicklund

The one spider sibling seems to kinda have banding as well

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Yes it does. Looks nice, I want one.

Thanks I almost want to keep the 2 and hope their opposite sex so I can try n reproduce that pattern I love it and love spiders lol

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normal

That's a really really cool normal. Absolutely loving that reduced pattern

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I'm definitely pairing the dad with my axanthic female this coming season and hope for another awesome baby like that to hold back and get some wonderful looking axanthic babies in the future

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If it is a recessive, both your male and female carry only one copy of the gene. If you breed your male to an axanthic none of the offspring will express the gene. Each offspring will be 50% het banded.

The dad that produced the nice normal was a spider

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Does he wobble?

The baby or the dad ? Cause I haven't seen it in the babies yet but the dad does at times and goes all crazy and upside down

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Let me try to explain that better. Your sire is Het Banded Spider. The dam is Het Banded. Because you crossed them you got Baby #1 Banded (assuming the reason it is reduced is a recessive gene), and Baby #4 Banded Spider.

If you take the sire and breed him to your axanthic your offspring would be:
1/4 Het Axanthic Het Banded Spider
1/4 Het Axanthic Spider
1/4 Het Axanthic Het Banded
1/4 Het Axanthic

If on the other hand you raised up Baby #4 (and it's male and Banded) and paired him with your axanthic female you'd get:
1/2 Het Axanthic Het Banded Spider
1/2 Het Axanthic Het Banded

You'd then have to cross those offspring to get an Axanthic Banded (hopefully Spider).

BTW I think Baby #2 and Baby #3 are Het Banded (from memory). I'd have to look at them again but they look like my two females who I think are Het Banded.

Here he is after shed :) http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08...627b395a4b.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08...7ffcc5f5b8.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08...4c96225533.jpg

And his sibling that shed along http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08...e73a5f94f2.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08...fc021c60b3.jpg

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Originally Posted by SamO

I wonder if you don't have a recessive gene there, something like Corey Woods Banded gene. http://coreywoods.com/banded.shtml It's the two siblings who are normals who make me think that. They look a lot like the non-banded ones at http://uintahreptiles.com, I should know it was my male in that breeder trade (check the news feed).

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Seeing that yellow belly makes me think the dad did hold his color really well and the guy I bought him from wanted 300 but talked dpwn to 240 and spiders were going for 175 at the time now like 75 100 depending one the spider

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Here's two of the siblings to my banded male (pictures coming soon, after third meal), scroll down past the adults. http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...=1#post2370744

Makes me want to hold back a couple of the babies lol but as much as I'd love to I'd need to get another rack

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Had these two little guys shed out some time during the night by far second favorite part is seeing their colors after the first shed

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Here is pictures of my Banded male.