Advice on getting my first BP?

Hi everyone. I'm/maybe/getting my first Ball Python tomorrow at Petsmart. I know that it isn't recommended that you buy snakes from big pet stores but all the animals there seem very healthy, lively, pretty bright colors, and seem very well taken care of in general.
We are from out of town visisting family and I decided if I want a snake I should get him here, because the petstores where I live seem to just have... not very well taken care of animals at times. I was just really impressed with this Petsmart, and I can't seem to find any local breeders. I live on a very out of the way small town.
Anyways, they have two BPs, one is a pastel I think and the other is just normal colors. They let me hold both of them and the pastel was very shy, but the other (a male apparently) was very curious and lively and crawled all over me! He was so cute. He seems like a nice healthy weight and well taken care of, so I decided I would get him.
Theres one little thing though, and Im not sure if it is a problem or not. I talked to the two ladies who care for him and asked about when/what they feed. They feed f/t once a week. The last time he ate according to them was on the 9th of this month, they said he refused to eat last time. Thats only about a week off feed, is he just a little picky? Should I worry about how well he eats? The way they explained how they feed didn't sound like they make sure the mouse is hot when they feed, they just kinda leave it in some water and stick it in his face. I've read you can dip the mouse in chicken or tuna brine or do the whole splitting their head thing so I could always try that if he were picky.
Anyways, I didn't get him today because they feed tomorrow, and I'm hoping he eats before I get him since he will want to get used to his home for a while before hes comfortable to try eating again.
If he doesn't eat tomorrow, should I re think getting him?

I think if you are really into the snake you picked out go for it, but you could also order one from a ton of different breeders that will ship directly to you. I wouldn't worry too much about the snake skipping a meal, bps are notoriously picky. There's info all over this forum about it. Once you get him home I would bet that he would be far less stressed out and feel more relaxed to eat. Constant motion in the pet store, variable scents and probably less than ideal husbandry at the pet store can combine to make the snake fees irregularly. So do it if you feel he looks healthy.

I would check out some good breeders, petsmart and petco animals have a little history of selling sick animals or animals covered in mites. Check out some of the breeders from the forum, there are some great ones here. You'll be much happier in the long run.

I honestly would consider buying from a reputable breeder instead of Petsmart. You could potentially buy from there, but I'd be wary. If this is your first, you may not be experienced enough to see a slight husbandry issue causing a big problem. I advise against buying there.

Most breeders would be willing to ship a snake to you, and you'd have more selection that way. Not only that, but prices are cheaper and a breeder will give you better care information. I like buying animals from HDI reptiles, but do keep in mind that they are on live. If not there, I've heard good things about BHB reptiles and I've talked to the owner, very nice guy. Just do a little research before you decide.

It's true, even with shipping you cans get a healthy bp for about the same price as a store. Not to say you can't do ok with a petco snake, but just might have some issues

The advantages of buying directly from a reputable breeder cannot be overstated.

If you buy a snake from one of these chain stores and two or three months later, you have a problem, they probably aren't going to be of much help. Most pet store employees being high school age kids, who are generally not well educated on the subject of reptile husbandry. I assume that they have a high turnover rate and you may not even be able to speak to the person who sold you the snake.

If you buy from a reputable breeder on the other hand, you'll be able to go back to that person at almost any point in time if you have any questions or concerns regarding the proper care of your animal. And you'll be able to rest easily knowing that they most likely have a pretty decent understanding of the animals in question because they are in fact the ones producing the animals.

Essentially you'll pay inflated prices for sub-par services when shopping at a chain store. I'm not saying it can't be a good experience, but I would cut out the middle man.

I got my first bp from petsmart. She was a beautiful lemonblast. She also never ate on her own. She was assisted in eating a mouse after 2 months, regurgitated and died later that night. I letter found out about the poor quality snakes sold by petsmart.

I promise you. If you find a reputable breeder, you can get a pastel and a normal for what petsmart will charge you. Healthy normals sell for around $20, pastels can go for $50. By a healthy snake cheaper.

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I bought my boa from a store mainly because she is frigging super and the guy working in reptiles knew his stuff. I talked to him a few times before buying her. He also cared about the animals and their environment. But when I went to pick her up the main guy was at lunch so I got a guy that didn't work in that part of the store and knew nothing about snakes. He was scared of her - this beautiful, little boa, because she was coiled up. He thought that she was in striking position. He pulled on these heavy rubber gloves (like you would use for high pressure or temperature) to pick her up. I promptly took her from him, to examine, and showed him that she was easy to handle. He then put her in a tiny box for me to bring home. I rushed her home and put her in her nice, cozy enclosure and have enjoyed her since (over 4 months now).

Thank you guys for the replies. I just feel really torn; I like that little guy a lot. I guess if none of them feed today I won't get them.

The big box pet stores like petco and petsmart do have a bad reputation for how they keep reptiles, no doubt. That being said I always check out the snakes at my local petsmart when I go to pickup dog food. There is one store in my town that never can seem to get the husbandry right, but there is a petco just down the street that always has really healthy plump babies. Just depends on the individual store/employees who take care of them.

It's always a craps shoot really. I once got a snake from a 'reputable' breeder that came with a RI and larval stage mites. After contacting the breeder he refused to claim responsibility and promptly disappeared. This was over ten years ago, and it's not worth mentioning names on here. Point is, it's always a gamble. You just have a MUCH better chance of getting a healthy, well started snake from a known breeder. Many of the people on this forum currently could probably sell you a great hatchling asap.

With my usual disclaimer of "I'm no expert, I've had my first BP about a month" I will say this. If you like that particular snake so much, and are willing to put up with/pay for potential vet trips, and can live with the idea he may not make it, get him. You have no other snakes health to worry about, so to me if you're okay with all the accompanying (potential) complications, go for it. I feel it's about the individual pet, not just how you can get a decent snake for the same price elsewhere. If you'd come here looking for information on choosing your first snake and knew of how to get one from a breeder before you'd fallen in love with that little guy it would be different. But you didn't, and to me the things you've written make me believe it's THAT snake you want.

Again, not flying in the face of the wisdom presented here, because I fully believe that a snake from a reputable breeder is going to be better most of the time, but sometimes you can get a good pet from a store. I got my Professor Snape from a sale at a local pet store, and so far he's been determined to disprove everything I've heard about them being picky eaters. I've kept him on small live adult mice, and he's refused nothing, and had no regurgitations. I fed him 3 days after getting him home, and last night DURING his shed.

Sometimes with pets you have to go with your heart. Of course I once bought a bird from a show with no upper beak, and that didn't turn out as well as Snape has, so I could be perceived as a bit of a sucker on the subject :-)

It can be very tempting to get a snake from a chain store, and I agree that it's easy to fall in love with the pet store snakes. It's incredibly important to get a pet you like. After all, you're going to take care of it for the years to come.

However, there's another side to that. You need to make sure that the entire experience is pleasant for you. What if the snake won't eat for you? Petsmart most likely won't do anything for you. What if it dies? Would you ever trust yourself to own another ball python? A ball python can bring so much entertainment and enjoyment to people, but it has to be the right python and the right owner.

Here's an idea. If you want to make sure you get a friendly snake as your first, and decide not to go with a chain store, how about you talk to a breeder on the phone and ask them to find a snake in your price range that is fairly docile? That might be the right way to go. If you describe the personality you want, I'm sure many breeders, though perhaps not all, would be willing to work with you.

hey listen man, regardless of what everyone is saying, I got my first ball python from a petsmart... a female normal. I've never had any problems with her whatsoever, she's the healthiest and NICEST snake ever. that was over a year ago. my second bp (a male champagne) I bought online from a reputable breeder, and he showed up unhealthy and overly aggressive... I shipped him back a couple weeks later. my advice to you... if the little guy looks healthy, nothing is better than buying IN PERSON. ESPESIALLY IF ITS YOUR FIRST SNAKE. it sounds like you really bonded with this little guy, so you should take a chance on him. how are you gonna bond with something you buy online? you don't know what the snake is going to be like when it arrives... if you really like this bp the whole situation sounds fine to me. honestly, even tho petsmart charged me $40 for a normal when I could have bought one online for $20... I would have paid thousands for her in the end. couldn't even imagine my collection without her... the eating thing isn't and won't be a problem, it's normal for ball pythons, so don't stress about that. you'd be doing a good thing for the little guy. best wishes

I'd be more interested to know what your plans for a cage are for this snake, chain stores usually send people home with a fish tank, overhead heat lights, a useless half log hide and no thermostat, a bad overpriced setup all around that you will end up having to put a lot more money in to fix. I wouldn't buy from a chain store for the same reason I wouldn't buy from an expo, I like knowing the breeder and all info about the snake and don't want to risk illness or mites. There's no shortage of ball pythons around, you could find a normal for free to very cheap and there's many nice morphs that are inexpensive if you want to go that way. Just fully consider your options before buying, a snake is a pretty long commitment.

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Originally Posted by maudie

hey listen man, regardless of what everyone is saying, I got my first ball python from a petsmart... a female normal. I've never had any problems with her whatsoever, she's the healthiest and NICEST snake ever. that was over a year ago. my second bp (a male champagne) I bought online from a reputable breeder, and he showed up unhealthy and overly aggressive... I shipped him back a couple weeks later. my advice to you... if the little guy looks healthy, nothing is better than buying IN PERSON. ESPESIALLY IF ITS YOUR FIRST SNAKE. it sounds like you really bonded with this little guy, so you should take a chance on him. how are you gonna bond with something you buy online? you don't know what the snake is going to be like when it arrives... if you really like this bp the whole situation sounds fine to me. honestly, even tho petsmart charged me $40 for a normal when I could have bought one online for $20... I would have paid thousands for her in the end. couldn't even imagine my collection without her... the eating thing isn't and won't be a problem, it's normal for ball pythons, so don't stress about that. you'd be doing a good thing for the little guy. best wishes

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I'm going to agree that you need to get a snake you like. Nobody should ever disagree with that.

However, the eating thing can easily be a problem with a baby. If a baby isn't eating, there is very likely to be an issue. A young ball python just doesn't have the extra weight to lose. It's normal for adult ball pythons not to eat for extended amounts of time, but it can be dangerous for a baby. Remember, baby ball pythons are growing. It's just so stressful, especially for new owners, to have a baby ball that refuses to eat and starts losing weight.

A ball python from a breeder might not eat either, please don't get me wrong. The difference is that the breeder is more likely to help the new owner than the pet store is.

Thanks guys. I called them and they told me they both refused to eat again.

In that case, any breeders anyone could recommend me? I don't care for color and would prefer a docile male. I live in Oregon if that matters.

Since nobody has mentioned it, Purchasing a snake on the day it eats is probably not the best way to go about it. You don't want to stress an animal that is trying to digest.

I've had several good transactions with ralph davis.

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Originally Posted by Fearyn

Thanks guys. I called them and they told me they both refused to eat again.

In that case, any breeders anyone could recommend me? I don't care for color and would prefer a docile male. I live in Oregon if that matters.

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I would try Garrick DeMeyer at Royal Constrictor Designs or Brain Barczyk from snakebytes and BHB reptiles. They are some of the best

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Originally Posted by BWB

I bought my boa from a store mainly because she is frigging super and the guy working in reptiles knew his stuff. I talked to him a few times before buying her. He also cared about the animals and their environment. But when I went to pick her up the main guy was at lunch so I got a guy that didn't work in that part of the store and knew nothing about snakes. He was scared of her - this beautiful, little boa, because she was coiled up. He thought that she was in striking position. He pulled on these heavy rubber gloves (like you would use for high pressure or temperature) to pick her up. I promptly took her from him, to examine, and showed him that she was easy to handle. He then put her in a tiny box for me to bring home. I rushed her home and put her in her nice, cozy enclosure and have enjoyed her since (over 4 months now).

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They can know their stuff, but it doesn't replace the warehouses where they come from and the cruel treatment. I've always been torn between wanting to save the animals, but I can't support those companies by giving them my money. Look up where the animals come from, very very sad.

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Originally Posted by Mustang5

I would try Garrick DeMeyer at Royal Constrictor Designs or Brain Barczyk from snakebytes and BHB reptiles. They are some of the best

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I second that for Garrick, he will go above and beyond for you. He's one of the best.

Gosh shipping is expensive x.x But I think I'm gonna go with Garrick.

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Originally Posted by Fearyn

Gosh shipping is expensive x.x But I think I'm gonna go with Garrick.

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If you call him he will be happy to help you and answer all of your questions.

Is it difficult to switch a live feeder over to f/t ?

Garrick feeds all his F/T. If they refuse he will use live. But just tell him you want one that will take F/T with no problem and he will ensure that you get one.

Best way to go is to buy one on f/t especially if you dont have easy access to live. Garrick is very good

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Where at in Oregon do you live? I got my Lesser at Tropical Hut in Portland and a few others on the forum have got snakes from them as well. They had a great variety of morphs and they where all nice and healthy. Prices weren't too bad either.

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Originally Posted by Fearyn

Is it difficult to switch a live feeder over to f/t ?

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Not usually. Most of my girls switched in the blink of an eye. However, if your snake starts losing weight, it's time to try live.

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Originally Posted by NetalianSoda

Where at in Oregon do you live? I got my Lesser at Tropical Hut in Portland and a few others on the forum have got snakes from them as well. They had a great variety of morphs and they where all nice and healthy. Prices weren't too bad either.

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I've never bought from Tropical Hut, but I've seen them around and their animals are excellent. All of the ones for sale at the expos I've been to have been in good health, mite free and amazingly beautiful. The prices are pretty good.

Isn't there an expo coming up in Portland soon? Would that be a good place to go and find a first snake? I've never been to one myself.

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While im sure Garrick is great, as well as other breeders mentioned here, nothing is guaranteed buying from a breeder. In addition to having an issue with a breeder in the past, I recently bought a snake from one of the TOP retic breeders in the nation. Rave reviews, everyone loves this guy. I spent more on the animal, compared to other breeders, because I was so impressed with the glowing comments others made about him on this very forum. While the animal arrived healthy, it had nowhere near the personality/temperament and feeding habits of which the breeder had specifically told me it had.

I followed EVERY piece of husbandry advice from the breeder to the letter. It has been months now and I have a snake that is unmanageable, difficult to maintain, and is proving hard to re-sell. Once the sale was made, and I voiced my issue to him, he stopped responding and has now fully disappeared. Point is, there is something to be said for having the animal in your hand, and able to interact with before you purchase. Im sure that there are many breeders that can ship you a healthy, active, and docile bp, but there is nothing wrong with purchasing a first snake at a pet store, provided YOU believe it is right for you.

I promise you that the ~60$ you spend on this animal at petsmart will not make or break their business. Yes these stores have a history of keeping reptiles in bad conditions, but if you find a goodie, do what you think is best.

Although I didn't intend to buy from a Petsmart or Pets Unlimited (another big box style pet store here in Canada and where I bought her) I was pleasantly surprised that they had a Hog Island Boa. I went in to see and handle her and she was a treat. The guy that I talked to knew snakes quite well and I got the feeling that he really cared for the animals that he sold. The actual purchase was irritating but she only spent a few minutes, probably 10, in a little cardboard box :mad: and I had an enclosure ready for her so as soon as I got her home (after admiring her and showing her off to my wife - not too interested (said that she wasn't as pretty as the ball)) in she went. I've had no problems with her and she has adjusted well. One of the problems that I have encountered here, in this part of Canada, is the lack of available breeders. Plus I don't trust that I will get a healthy animal by ordering it online.

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

While im sure Garrick is great, as well as other breeders mentioned here, nothing is guaranteed buying from a breeder. In addition to having an issue with a breeder in the past, I recently bought a snake from one of the TOP retic breeders in the nation. Rave reviews, everyone loves this guy. I spent more on the animal, compared to other breeders, because I was so impressed with the glowing comments others made about him on this very forum. While the animal arrived healthy, it had nowhere near the personality/temperament and feeding habits of which the breeder had specifically told me it had.

I followed EVERY piece of husbandry advice from the breeder to the letter. It has been months now and I have a snake that is unmanageable, difficult to maintain, and is proving hard to re-sell. Once the sale was made, and I voiced my issue to him, he stopped responding and has now fully disappeared. Point is, there is something to be said for having the animal in your hand, and able to interact with before you purchase. Im sure that there are many breeders that can ship you a healthy, active, and docile bp, but there is nothing wrong with purchasing a first snake at a pet store, provided YOU believe it is right for you.

I promise you that the ~60$ you spend on this animal at petsmart will not make or break their business. Yes these stores have a history of keeping reptiles in bad conditions, but if you find a goodie, do what you think is best.

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Point is with purchasing from a chain, you're supporting the cruelty of the animal warehouses they come from. That's why I will never buy from them, because once you do you're supporting that company and the way they treat their animals. And you were unhappy with the breeder and a snake with an attitude? Interesting!

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Originally Posted by BWB

Although I didn't intend to buy from a Petsmart or Pets Unlimited (another big box style pet store here in Canada and where I bought her) I was pleasantly surprised that they had a Hog Island Boa. I went in to see and handle her and she was a treat. The guy that I talked to knew snakes quite well and I got the feeling that he really cared for the animals that he sold. The actual purchase was irritating but she only spent a few minutes, probably 10, in a little cardboard box :mad: and I had an enclosure ready for her so as soon as I got her home (after admiring her and showing her off to my wife - not too interested (said that she wasn't as pretty as the ball)) in she went. I've had no problems with her and she has adjusted well. One of the problems that I have encountered here, in this part of Canada, is the lack of available breeders. Plus I don't trust that I will get a healthy animal by ordering it online.

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All of my snakes were ordered online and every single one of them is very healthy. Canada has Markus Jayne Ball Pythons, I've heard great things about them as well.

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Originally Posted by NetalianSoda

Isn't there an expo coming up in Portland soon? Would that be a good place to go and find a first snake? I've never been to one myself.

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There is! It would be an excellent place to buy a first snake, and they're just plain fun to go to. HDI Reptiles is great, that's where I got my first and two others. I would not hesitate to buy from them again. Excellent service and beautiful animals, answered every question I had. The Tropical Hut plans to come as well. I plan on going, there should be some nice stuff for sale.

http://www.nwreptileexpos.com/portla...-reptile-expo/

I'm not trying to advocate for or against petsmart/petco. Notice I was the first post on this thread to suggest a breeder instead. I agree that there shouldn't be widespread support for these big box stores having reptiles for sale. i support and appreciate the activism, but let's be honest, whether the OP buys this snake or not will not have any affect on the chain.

I personally know of plenty of breeders whose animals are in awful condition.

And yes I am very unhappy with the breeder I mentioned earlier. I was 100% misled as to the temperament of the animal.

Dude s/d- D retics are known to be flighty and nippy as yongsters and just about every retic keeper will tell you that... just because u made a choice to get a more aggressive snake now ur going to bash the breeder not cool.....

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

I'm not trying to advocate for or against petsmart/petco. Notice I was the first post on this thread to suggest a breeder instead. I agree that there shouldn't be widespread support for these big box stores having reptiles for sale. i support and appreciate the activism, but let's be honest, whether the OP buys this snake or not will not have any affect on the chain.

I personally know of plenty of breeders whose animals are in awful condition.

And yes I am very unhappy with the breeder I mentioned earlier. I was 100% misled as to the temperament of the animal.

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True, I'm guessing the retic temperament matter more than Ball Pythons due to their size and potential. I've never owned any myself, I've thought about adding one in the future.

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Originally Posted by frostysBP

Dude s/d- D retics are known to be flighty and nippy as yongsters and just about every retic keeper will tell you that... just because u made a choice to get a more aggressive snake now ur going to bash the breeder not cool.....

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I'm not calling out the breeder by name, not going down that path. And it's not a SD. Yes I know they are nippy. What I'm saying is that the information the breeder gave me no way matched what I received. I've had MANY nippy youngsters. This animal is demented. Also, what I am more angry about is that once I raised objections he disappeared. To me that in no way represents a business well. What I'm pointing out here is that buying from a reputable breeder in no way guarantees you will have the same experience as others did.

Also, as someone who runs a small breeding operation myself, I have exchanged and replaced animals if my customers weren't happy with their purchase. It's just good business practices.

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

While im sure Garrick is great, as well as other breeders mentioned here, nothing is guaranteed buying from a breeder. In addition to having an issue with a breeder in the past, I recently bought a snake from one of the TOP retic breeders in the nation. Rave reviews, everyone loves this guy. I spent more on the animal, compared to other breeders, because I was so impressed with the glowing comments others made about him on this very forum. While the animal arrived healthy, it had nowhere near the personality/temperament and feeding habits of which the breeder had specifically told me it had.

I followed EVERY piece of husbandry advice from the breeder to the letter. It has been months now and I have a snake that is unmanageable, difficult to maintain, and is proving hard to re-sell. Once the sale was made, and I voiced my issue to him, he stopped responding and has now fully disappeared. Point is, there is something to be said for having the animal in your hand, and able to interact with before you purchase. Im sure that there are many breeders that can ship you a healthy, active, and docile bp, but there is nothing wrong with purchasing a first snake at a pet store, provided YOU believe it is right for you.

I promise you that the ~60$ you spend on this animal at petsmart will not make or break their business. Yes these stores have a history of keeping reptiles in bad conditions, but if you find a goodie, do what you think is best.

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Get out of here with that. He told you it was nippy.

Nah, I think I will go ahead and share my experiences.

You made an impulse decision to buy a dwarf retic because you knew an interstate transport ban would be set in place. You didn't get the animal you wanted (although the species is known to be tempermental and the breeder told you that it was a nippy snake) so you contacted the breeder AFTER the ban had been put in place and you're upset because things didn't go your way. Please tell me what exactly he was supposed to do? As far as I'm concerned it was 100% your responsibility.

I think Petco gets all of their ball pythons from Gourmet Rodent and I don't believe they are in terrible condition when they leave that facility. It all comes down to the care of the animals while in the store.

Please do not make factually inaccurate statements about my situation. It was not an impulse buy in any way.

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Originally Posted by tbowman

I think Petco gets all of their ball pythons from Gourmet Rodent and I don't believe they are in terrible condition when they leave that facility. It all comes down to the care of the animals while in the store.

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I believe it's Sun Pet LTD and they are pretty bad. There are plenty of videos of their facilities on YouTube.

Just like eveybody has been saying I will also agree that no matter who you get the snake from you are not guaranteed a healthy snake but there are alot of good breeders out there that have been around for years. The biggest difference in my opinion is customer service. A reputable breeder will help with questions long after your purchase. Be patient, contact different breeders and make a cool calm and collected decision you won't regret.

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Originally Posted by MidSouthMorphs

I believe it's Sun Pet LTD and they are pretty bad. There are plenty of videos of their facilities on YouTube.

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I know they get their frozen feeders from Gourmet Rodent and I know I've heard Brian Barczyk and others say that petco gets all of their BPs from Bill Brant at Gourmet Rodent.

Gourmet Rodent is under new ownership as of last year.

If the petsmart takes good care of them, then I don't see any issues there. I think with petsmart it really depends on the employees and how much they care for the animals. (I happen to work at a Petsmart and I know they care for the snakes as best they can). As for the snake not eating- sometimes they'll start eating if you give them live/pre-killed. I got my own bp from petsmart and she hadn't eaten for three weeks before I got her. I switched to prekilled and now she has a fantastic appetite and will eat anything and everything I give her. Some snakes just don't like frozen.
One thing you could try, depending on how long you're in the area- Petsmart has a 14 day guarantee. Get the snake, keep it for a week or so then try feeding it. If it still doesn't eat, return it.


Also: Petsmart is not Petco. I've had way too many animals die of disease from Petco. Petsmart tries really hard to treat sick animals, not sell them.

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Originally Posted by Timelugia

If the petsmart takes good care of them, then I don't see any issues there. I think with petsmart it really depends on the employees and how much they care for the animals. (I happen to work at a Petsmart and I know they care for the snakes as best they can). As for the snake not eating- sometimes they'll start eating if you give them live/pre-killed. I got my own bp from petsmart and she hadn't eaten for three weeks before I got her. I switched to prekilled and now she has a fantastic appetite and will eat anything and everything I give her. Some snakes just don't like frozen.
One thing you could try, depending on how long you're in the area- Petsmart has a 14 day guarantee. Get the snake, keep it for a week or so then try feeding it. If it still doesn't eat, return it.

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Now there is a nice logical response. Great idea.

Could be, I know a lot of their animals come from Sun Pet. Watch some of the undercover videos, I'll never shop there again.