What's the latest on shipping retics?

Hey everyone,

I know that retics were previously recently added to the Lacey act, so sorry if this is old news, but im not 100% clear if it is allowable to ship retics currently. I have seen some earlier responses on here that if you were a USARK member before a certain date you are able to ship? Any validity to that?

Yup have to be a member before the injunction was filed to ship only not to receive

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Thanks. Not to sound sketchy, but who is actually going to check this membership? Guaranteed FedEx wont.

Somebody will check if the snake gets loose, especially if any kind of accident is reported, rather it be to the snake or human.

It's easy enough to find a USARK member who could ship the snake for you. :)

True. Going to go that route.

I believe USFWS has been checking packages.

Is this in effect though? The temporary ban lift for USARK members?

You can indeed ship retics and anacondas right now if you are a current member of USARK, as of the date of the injunction. It isn't clear who or what enforcement is being done.

USARK didn't negotiate this stipulation in their favor, the court created it.

If you have donated at least $20 over the last year through the ShipYourReptiles micro-donation function you may also qualify, but you would have to check with Phil@USARK on that. The SYR micro-donation function allows you to optionally donate as little as 50 cents per shipment to USARK, to fight for our rights, and our future to keep reptiles privately and commercially. We have raised over $20,000 through the micro-donation feature, just 50 cents and a dollar at a time. Pretty awesome.

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Originally Posted by Robyn@SYR

You can indeed ship retics and anacondas right now if you are a current member of USARK, as of the date of the injunction. It isn't clear who or what enforcement is being done.

USARK didn't negotiate this stipulation in their favor, the court created it.

If you have donated at least $20 over the last year through the ShipYourReptiles micro-donation function you may also qualify, but you would have to check with Phil@USARK on that. The SYR micro-donation function allows you to optionally donate as little as 50 cents per shipment to USARK, to fight for our rights, and our future to keep reptiles privately and commercially. We have raised over $20,000 through the micro-donation feature, just 50 cents and a dollar at a time. Pretty awesome.

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Thanks for the info. So can I donate 20$ now and qualify to ship a retic?

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Originally Posted by Marrissa

It's easy enough to find a USARK member who could ship the snake for you. :)

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Would the shipment need to just be in their name?

I started a thread looking for someone in Denver who is a USARK member and it was deleted, and I got a warning from mods. I don't get it.

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

I started a thread looking for someone in Denver who is a USARK member and it was deleted, and I got a warning from mods. I don't get it.

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Let me enlighten you.

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Your post has now been DELETED and a ZERO point warning was issued to remind you that advertising which includes offering or looking for animals and/or goods, animal services, soliciting donations etc IS NOT ALLOWED on the main forum.

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YOU were soliciting a service which is a VIOLATION of our TOS

Now in addition this little public complaint was not the place, if you had an issue with the ZERO point warning (yes sorry YOU are not above our TOS) you should have used the proper channels.

Finally consider yourself lucky this was a ZERO point warning and since you posted 2 threads within minutes I could have issued a warning followed by an infraction however I did not.

Woah. I sent you a PM as well. I didn't intentionally violate. I thought this would be considered a friendly favor by someone in the area. If it were a service wouldn't there be some kind of compensation involved? I was acting off of a recommendation by other members on here.

I never intimated that I was above TOS, and I don't think it's necessary for you to use angry, belittling or condescending rhetoric.

Your initial PM notifying me of the infraction was very vague. I asked about my violation in this thread to gain clarification, not fight it.

Once again I apologize.

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

Thanks for the info. So can I donate 20$ now and qualify to ship a retic?

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No, the court stated that the injunction only applies to members in good standing as of 4/8/15.

You can indeed ship retics and anacondas right now if you are a current member of USARK, as of the date of the injunction. It isn't clear who or what enforcement is being done.

Still confused. Does the actual USARK member have to physically be there to drop off the animal, or can it be shipped in their name?

Also, I find it incredibly hard to believe that with millions of packages being shipped in the US every day, that there is even a remote chance that this could be enforced. Does anyone truly believe that USFWS is actually spending man power sending agents across the US to shipping facilities to open packages marked as reptiles to check for retics? And then check the name against a USARK database? Hhaha come on.

Terrorists whose names are on watch lists come into this country every day without issue. Thousands of illegals come up from the southern border daily. What a joke. Vote republican is all I can say.

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Also, I find it incredibly hard to believe that with millions of packages being shipped in the US every day, that there is even a remote chance that this could be enforced. Does anyone truly believe that USFWS is actually spending man power sending agents across the US to shipping facilities to open packages marked as reptiles to check for retics? And then check the name against a USARK database? Hhaha come on.

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Enforced or not those are the rules and RESPONSIBLE owners, breeders should abide by them whether those rules are absurd or not.

Obviously RESPONSIBLE people who care about this hobby and who support it by being USARK members do not have to worry about this.



And yes UFWS does inspection, I had several which is why proper labeling is also VERY important.

Chance are they are not but say they were to catch you shipping it looks bad on us and not to mention the buyer that dosent get the snake. All around bad idea not to mention they can have people watching fourms just like this one.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Enforced or not those are the rules and RESPONSIBLE owners, breeders should abide by them whether those rules are absurd or not.

Obviously RESPONSIBLE people who care about this hobby and who support it by being USARK members do not have to worry about this.





And yes UFWS does inspection, I had several!

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Can you please stop picking me out of a crowd to harp on? I am not sure how or when I pissed you off. It seems arbitrary and capricious how you come down on me. Are you not held to the standards that you enforce? You are CONSTANTLY belittling and mildly insulting to me and others on here. I know its your persona to be a 'snarky moderatrix' but to honest it just comes off like you are an angry, mean person. One who utilizes her tiny fiefdom of power to satisfy some sick megalomaniacal psychosis.

I am a very responsible member of the reptile community. I spend countless hours of my time trying to provide helpful and supportive information on this site.

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

Still confused. Does the actual USARK member have to physically be there to drop off the animal, or can it be shipped in their name?

Also, I find it incredibly hard to believe that with millions of packages being shipped in the US every day, that there is even a remote chance that this could be enforced. Does anyone truly believe that USFWS is actually spending man power sending agents across the US to shipping facilities to open packages marked as reptiles to check for retics? And then check the name against a USARK database? Hhaha come on.

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She didn't randomly pick you out of the fourm you are the only one who keeps bringing up the subject when you know what the rules are. You are putting up I go that anyone can see...including who we are fighting this battle against...... Kinda like me asking you to mail me a few pounds of the best WEED you got in denver

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Its not illegal to ask someone to ship a snake on your behalf.

I assume that you don't believe in the legitimacy of the Lacey act, so why get so bent out of shape when someone tries to circumvent it LEGALLY?

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

I started a thread looking for someone in Denver who is a USARK member and it was deleted, and I got a warning from mods. I don't get it.

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Then why did you make another one?

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Originally Posted by frostysBP

Then why did you make another one?

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There is nothing in my second thread that violates TOS. Simply was asking if anyone is in Denver.

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

Can you please stop picking me out of a crowd to harp on? I am not sure how or when I pissed you off. It seems arbitrary and capricious how you come down on me. Are you not held to the standards that you enforce? You are CONSTANTLY belittling and mildly insulting to me and others on here. I know its your persona to be a 'snarky moderatrix' but to honest it just comes off like you are an angry, mean person. One who utilizes her tiny fiefdom of power to satisfy some sick megalomaniacal psychosis.

I am a very responsible member of the reptile community. I spend countless hours of my time trying to provide helpful and supportive information on this site.

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:tears: I insulted YOU? Please show me and report those to the admin, name calling and insults are UNACCEPTABLE.

Picking? Aren't you the one that just posted a question again? You asked questions about shipping Retics I answered and other have answered too, Retics can be shipped by USARK members (people who have been supporting this hobby), YOU are not a USARK member and therefore you cannot ship the Retic you are trying to sell (even though your ad state that you can :rolleyes:).

Simple as that.

You questioned the rule being enforced, yes it is and even if not it does not matter because everyone should abide by those rules.

This post was brought to you by a NON SUGAR COATING MEMBER

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Before shipping reticulated pythons and green anacondas, you'll need to acquire your membership verification letter from USARK. This letter does not need to be included in shipments, but the letter and email must be saved so proof can be shown to FWS should they request it. The injunction is scheduled to be in effect until a final ruling is made on the lawsuit. Obviously, anyone not concerned with these species should not contact us to be included on this list.

However, per the ruling of the Court and as proposed by FWS, only USARK members as of April 8, 2015 qualify for relief under the injunction. Our basic membership level is $20 annually. If you met that criteria on or before April 8, 2015, you are a member. USARK will verify any membership claims. Membership fees could be paid in the form or cash, check, credit card, volunteer time, services or goods.

Answers to expected questions: Purchases at auctions do not qualify. You are receiving something in return for your purchase and not donating to USARK. Also, the purchase of any raffle tickets, shirts, hats etc. do not qualify.

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Hope the last part answer the latest on shipping retics.

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:tears: I insulted YOU? Please show me and report those to the admin, name calling and insults are UNACCEPTABLE.

Picking? Aren't you the one that just posted a question again? You asked questions about shipping Retics I answered and other have answered too, Retics can be shipped by USARK members (people who have been supporting this hobby), YOU are not a USARK member and therefore you cannot ship the Retic you are trying to sell (even though your ad state that you can :rolleyes:).

Simple as that.

You questioned the rule being enforced, yes it is and even if not it does not matter because everyone should abide by those rules.

This post was brought to you by a NON SUGAR COATING MEMBER


Hope the last part answer the latest on shipping retics.

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Haha. You equate 'non-sugar coating' with being insulting.

Per the information from other members on this site, it is not illegal FOR A CURRENT USARK MEMBER TO SHIP THE RETIC FOR ME. I was simply trying to find someone in my area who could do this.

Are you actually fully equating USARK membership with support of this hobby? So if I paid a small fee to USARK a year ago I would be in your good graces? I think that spending hours every day supporting, informing and helping new members on this site with their reptile questions is much more valuable than a 20$ donation.

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Haha. You equate 'non-sugar coating' with being insulting.

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Again where?

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Per the information from other members on this site, it is not illegal FOR A CURRENT USARK MEMBER TO SHIP THE RETIC FOR ME. I was simply trying to find someone in my area who could do this.

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That you would need to verify with USARK, YOU soliciting on our main forum was and still is a VIOLATION of OUR RULES as explained in your warning,

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Are you actually fully equating USARK membership with support of this hobby? So if I paid a small fee to USARK a year ago I would be in your good graces? I think that spending hours every day supporting, informing and helping new members on this site with their reptile questions is much more valuable than a 20$ donation

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USARK is the one that can win the battle without people's support it will not, so yes supporting USARK is supporting the hobby. Being involve in a community is also important never denied that.

Have you tried to sell it in state?

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I sure have.

Just keep trying and working on him have u posted it on retic nation?

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