What morph is this (possible calico jigsaw blast? - Lots of pics)

Hey guys,

Can you help me ID this ball python? She hatched out a couple weeks ago from my Lemonblast female. She laid with an Enchi Mojave Spider, as well as a Calico Mojave.

You can see how much contrast she has between her stripe (bright golden yellow) to her sides (very white at the bottom). At first we thought she was just a jigsaw blast, but the contrast has me a bit puzzled, as all the jigsaw blasts I've seen in the past have minimal contrast.

I'm nearly 100% positive she has atleast pastel, pinstripe, and mojave. I'm just not sure if she also has Calico.

This is her from above next to her sister Lemonblast.
http://i.imgur.com/ngDmGvF.jpg?2

Here's another pic a little zoomed in:
http://i.imgur.com/2z0dXeL.jpg?1

Here is the view from the side (zoomed in)
http://i.imgur.com/sCUZ5gH.jpg?1

Another from the side, you can see how reduced her pattern gets along the base. She has a completely patternless bottom, and she is very faded along the bottom half of her sides:
http://i.imgur.com/buI2tNq.jpg?1

And one last one from above, you can see how bright her stripe is in comparison to the rest of her:
http://i.imgur.com/2sf5FPj.jpg?1

Can anyone with help confirm what we've got here? I tried to find some pictures of a calico jigsaw blast online but they aren't on WoBP.

Thanks!
Sarah

well, its defiantly a jigsaw blast., but it's hard for me to tell if there's calico in there though

I was thinking Jigsaw. :) Fantastic animal. Congratulations!

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Originally Posted by ajmreptiles

well, its defiantly a jigsaw blast., but it's hard for me to tell if there's calico in there though

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Yea, hard for us as well. Anyone know any surefire way of determining a calico?

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The problem I'm thinking you're running into is that calico is super subtle when combined with pinstripe (just look at the example pictures of the table saw). It could go either way, honestly. What I'm mostly seeing on WOBP is that calico has a tendency to whack out the pattern near the tail when involved in pastel combos, can you get a better picture of the back third of her?

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Originally Posted by Daigga

The problem I'm thinking you're running into is that calico is super subtle when combined with pinstripe (just look at the example pictures of the table saw). It could go either way, honestly. What I'm mostly seeing on WOBP is that calico has a tendency to whack out the pattern near the tail when involved in pastel combos, can you get a better picture of the back third of her?

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I don't have any specific pics of the tail right now. It's a bit lighter but nothing crazy. It does seem to me that pinstripe makes it tough. The biggest thing I see that makes me think she's not a regular jigsaw blast is the contrasting yellow of the stripe vs the white of her sides. I haven't seen much contrast in the jigsaw blasts I've seen.

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That's the brightest jigsaw Ive seen, if that is all that's there.

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Originally Posted by Tsanford

That's the brightest jigsaw Ive seen, if that is all that's there.

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I'm fairly confident she's got some pastel as well, but from what I've seen on WOBP, jigsaw blasts don't have the same level of color differentiation between the stripe and the sides, and don't have such white sides in general.

Here are jigsaw blasts on WOBP:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/jigsaw-blast/

She is either not a jigsaw blast, or just a really bright, high contrast jigsaw blast.

I would say odds are pretty good she has calico in her. Are you planning on holding her back or selling her? May just need to label her a jigsaw blast probable calico until she proves out.

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Originally Posted by Daigga

I would say odds are pretty good she has calico in her. Are you planning on holding her back or selling her? May just need to label her a jigsaw blast probable calico until she proves out.

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I think we're going to hang on to her. She's either a 4 gene female, or a really cool 3 gene female. In any case she projects to be an awesome female in 3 years, could do some real cool things with a her.

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That's such an interesting and beautiful pattern!

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Originally Posted by Tarasaurus

That's such an interesting and beautiful pattern!

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Thanks! Yes she really is stunning and very different than anything I've seen.

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I think you at least have a Jigsaw Blast, and probably a Jigsaw Blast Calico. The combination of Pinstripe and Calico can be real hard to identify. In the next couple of days, I will try to post some pictures of a 2012 Jigsaw Blast and the clutch that he sired. They pipped tonight, and the mother may have a melanistic gene that is influencing their look, but two of the babies are at least Jigsaws, maybe more. When they hatch out I'll post some pictures to this thread so you can compare.

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Originally Posted by Slowcountry Balls

I think you at least have a Jigsaw Blast, and probably a Jigsaw Blast Calico. The combination of Pinstripe and Calico can be real hard to identify. In the next couple of days, I will try to post some pictures of a 2012 Jigsaw Blast and the clutch that he sired. They pipped tonight, and the mother may have a melanistic gene that is influencing their look, but two of the babies are at least Jigsaws, maybe more. When they hatch out I'll post some pictures to this thread so you can compare.

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That would be awesome, thanks!

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Here is a picture of our 2012 male Jigsaw Blast with his sibling 2012 female Jigsaw shortly after their first shed in 2012
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...7/imag0149.jpg
As you can see in this picture, the head really tells which is a Jigsaw and which is a Jigsaw Blast.

Here is the 2012 male Jigsaw Blast just this past weekend (almost 3 years old)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-06-27_1.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-06-27_5.jpg
Comparing the side pattern of our Jigsaw Blast to that of your hatchling is what makes me think your hatchling has the Calico gene. The Calico gene can be real tricky in some combinations, especially combinations with Pinstripe. It can take months or longer for the Calico to really reveal itself.

And here is a picture of the 3 eggs that were good from the first clutch he sired this year (2 are at least Jigsaws, maybe Melanistic Jigsaw Blasts, we are going to have to wait until after a shed or maybe a few sheds to really make that call).
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...c3_in_eggs.jpg
I'll post more pictures of these two once they come out of the egg and shed.

Hope these pictures help.

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Originally Posted by Slowcountry Balls

Here is a picture of our 2012 male Jigsaw Blast with his sibling 2012 female Jigsaw shortly after their first shed in 2012
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...7/imag0149.jpg
As you can see in this picture, the head really tells which is a Jigsaw and which is a Jigsaw Blast.

Here is the 2012 male Jigsaw Blast just this past weekend (almost 3 years old)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-06-27_1.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-06-27_5.jpg
Comparing the side pattern of our Jigsaw Blast to that of your hatchling is what makes me think your hatchling has the Calico gene. The Calico gene can be real tricky in some combinations, especially combinations with Pinstripe. It can take months or longer for the Calico to really reveal itself.

And here is a picture of the 3 eggs that were good from the first clutch he sired this year (2 are at least Jigsaws, maybe Melanistic Jigsaw Blasts, we are going to have to wait until after a shed or maybe a few sheds to really make that call).
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...c3_in_eggs.jpg
I'll post more pictures of these two once they come out of the egg and shed.

Hope these pictures help.

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Very helpful. Based on your pics it does make me think our girl has some Calico, the color and even pattern difference are noticeable. Thanks!

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Well 2015 Clutch 3 has shed out, and as promised, here is a picture of the clutch:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...2015-07-11.jpg

We got one Mojave Melanistic, and two that are either Jigsaw Melanistics or Jigsaw Blast Melanistics. Not sure yet. Don't know how helpful this picture will be since there is the Melanistic gene at play here.

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Originally Posted by Slowcountry Balls

Well 2015 Clutch 3 has shed out, and as promised, here is a picture of the clutch:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...2015-07-11.jpg

We got one Mojave Melanistic, and two that are either Jigsaw Melanistics or Jigsaw Blast Melanistics. Not sure yet. Don't know how helpful this picture will be since there is the Melanistic gene at play here.

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Thanks for the reply. Beautiful snakes.

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