Best dog breed for the 'outdoors'? (For new dog owner too)

I've never owned a dog before, however I do plan on getting one in the future (possibly after I get out of my undergrad). Since my field requires a lot of outdoor time (hiking, etc.) I was wondering what would be a good dog breed. I was thinking so far of a Weimaraner, Chocolate lab, Husky, Swiss Mountain Dog, Hungarian vizsla, German Short-haired Pointer and a German Shepherd. Feel free to comment on these or add in a breed that you think is better!

These are my criteria tho:
- I hike around anywhere from 3-11 miles whenever I go out, dog must be able to keep up.
- Somewhat easy to train.
- Must be obedient/somewhat easy to maintain off leash, I'd rather it not go chasing off after local fauna.
- Somewhat protective. I don't think I'll be getting married, sadly lol, so I'd like it to warn me anything comes by. However, on the flip side, I don't want it to be too protective in-case I have people over (or a roommate).
- Doesn't shed a whole lot, I understand most dogs do, but I don't want them to require a whole ton of grooming.
- I probably won't get one till after grad school (if I plan on going to grad school), but if I do, which would do best alone, without destroying things?
- As corny as it sounds, I'd like a dog that'll just enjoy my company too. Not too independent that it takes off running whenever I open the door, but that'll wait for me or just walk near me whenever we go out.

So far, these are the only things I can think of, but I might add in things later. I do understand that dogs are a huge responsibility, trust me, that's why I'm thinking far ahead. But I really do appreciate comments/suggestions! I'm a bit partial to 'wolf' looking dog breeds/mixes and solid colors sometimes tho aha.

Thanks!

The most obedient faimly loving dog i have ever owed is my 7 year old female pitbull! She even gives piggy back rides to my 3 yr old. When i was running marathons. She was by my side 7 to 5 miles a day.

Well you just opened Pandora's box! You're probably going to hear about just about every breed under the sun. I won't tell you my favorite. But I will tell you about one on your list.

My brother has a German Shorthair Pointer, his second one. Not the dog for me, but a good dog nonetheless.

This is what I can tell you about my experience with this dog:

He is absolutely tireless, you will have trouble keeping up with him!

No shedding. If he does, the hair is ultra fine and ultra small. You can barely see it at all!

Great watch dog! If I get up at night, quiet as a mouse, he barks!

Now my brother's always wants to outside being active. He's not a couch potato except at night and morning nap time.

Hope this helps,

Best

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He never leaves my brother's side. Even in the bathroom! If my brother is at my house and closes the bathroom door on him, the dog will try to break the door down.

Thanks for the replies!

@jmccauley51423- I don't think I will get a pitbull, even though they are a pretty nice dog, because my family is pretty deathly afraid of them sadly. I'd also like to have a dog breed that doesn't raise home insurance a lot (I've heard that they do which I find pretty weird). I forgot to mention that I'll be the first in my extended family to own a dog so haha

@Reinz - That dog fits all my criteria! Other than the wanting to break doors down part haha. Ideally, I'd want a dog that can 'hold the fort down' when I'm gone and not make a fuss if any. Don't want to come home to a broken down door and ripped up couch lol

Off your list I would go for a GSP or Vizla. Might be a little prey driven to let off leash but most seem pretty trainable, high energy, probably the least shedding off the list. I see too many Weims with poor temperament, GSD shed a ton and you are also looking at possible breed restriction issues with a shepherd, Swissies shed a lot and have many health issues, husky would not be a good choice to run off leash generally and shed like mad, a lab would probably fit too, I just don't care much for them and they shed pretty heavily too. You could look into spaniels but a little more grooming required, a smooth collie might be another option although they can be loud.

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Originally Posted by GoingPostal

Off your list I would go for a GSP or Vizla. Might be a little prey driven to let off leash but most seem pretty trainable, high energy, probably the least shedding off the list. I see too many Weims with poor temperament, GSD shed a ton and you are also looking at possible breed restriction issues with a shepherd, Swissies shed a lot and have many health issues, husky would not be a good choice to run off leash generally and shed like mad, a lab would probably fit too, I just don't care much for them and they shed pretty heavily too. You could look into spaniels but a little more grooming required, a smooth collie might be another option although they can be loud.

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What do you mean by 'breed restriction issues'? And thanks! Do you think it would be possible to stop once they chase after an animal if off the leash?

Check around online for dog test or quizzes. When I wanted me first dog of all my own I did this and it really worked out well for me. What they do is ask about you and your lifestyle plus about what you're looking for in a dog. Then it will give you some options of breeds that may fit your needs and wants. Doing this I found many breeds I didn't know of, or didn't know much about. This is how I found Old English Bulldogs. I'm on my second and love the breed. She can be a couch potato yet still able to handle the hot outdoors at the beach or on my bass boat. Just what I wanted.

They are free and easy. Give them a try.

What about a boxer i have a pitbull/boxer mix very nice dog full of energy or maybe an American bulldog

Thanks, I'll check out some quizzes!

And I don't mean to sound picky or rude when I was this, but I prefer the dog to have a longer snout haha. But thanks!

Ok then what about a greyhound short hair long nose and I've heard that they are very loyal

Just took a quiz and so far I've gotten what I'm looking for haha. GSP, Weimaranar, and Vizla, however they still say that they don't do so well alone and might be destructive. This poses a problem to me as I might have to leave for the work day, but I'd make sure they're well exercised before or after I return (or both).

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Ok then what about a greyhound short hair long nose and I've heard that they are very loyal

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I've heard greyhounds are too affectionate to be protective and that they are easily hurt on some trails. I don't know if it's true or not, but that's what I heard and I don't want to put the dog knowingly in any danger.

It's not the length of the snout, it's how they use it!

My buddy didn't listen when I said Boxers have alot of energy. He got one and lived in an apartment. That dog would room across the ceiling. Ball of energy for sure!

My OEB is full of energy for about 10 minutes. Stubborn and headstrong is what she is.

German Shepherds tend to be protective. But a dog that's protective and stays with you is going to tend to also want your company.
But more importantly is going to be the dog's personality. Breed characteristics are only a *very* general outline. Training will also affect how your dog behaves.

For what you are looking for, I would look for something along the lines of the GSPs, hard thing is that NONE of the dogs should be going on such long walks/hikes until they are at least 18-24 months old when the growth plates close, so keep that in mind.

Larger breeds like the labs, shepherds and mountain dogs are prone to having back hip/joint/back issues, and such vigorous exercise might exacerbate thoughs.

You also need to consider the type of climate that you live in, and remember that a lot of the dogs that might be considered usually have very high prey drive, so having on a long lead vs off leash might be prefered.

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Originally Posted by KMG

It's not the length of the snout, it's how they use it!

My buddy didn't listen when I said Boxers have alot of energy. He got one and lived in an apartment. That dog would room across the ceiling. Ball of energy for sure!

My OEB is full of energy for about 10 minutes. Stubborn and headstrong is what she is.

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Haha that's true! My neighbor had a boxer and boy could he run. Too bad once he ran straight into my house and into my mom scaring the crap out of her haha.

I guess I'm just fond of 'wolf' like dogs, nothing against any other dogs (as you can tell since I like the GSP Weimaranar, etc.).

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Originally Posted by Timelugia

German Shepherds tend to be protective. But a dog that's protective and stays with you is going to tend to also want your company.
But more importantly is going to be the dog's personality. Breed characteristics are only a *very* general outline. Training will also affect how your dog behaves.

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I'll definitely spend time with them whenever I am home, since I don't think I'll get married, I'll have more than enough time to go out for walks and such.

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Originally Posted by Marissa@MKmorphs

For what you are looking for, I would look for something along the lines of the GSPs, hard thing is that NONE of the dogs should be going on such long walks/hikes until they are at least 18-24 months old when the growth plates close, so keep that in mind.

Larger breeds like the labs, shepherds and mountain dogs are prone to having back hip/joint/back issues, and such vigorous exercise might exacerbate thoughs.

You also need to consider the type of climate that you live in, and remember that a lot of the dogs that might be considered usually have very high prey drive, so having on a long lead vs off leash might be prefered.

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I definitely won't take a puppy on a hike. Maybe a short trail that builds up as they age, but nothing too long. Ideally when they're older and well trained, I'd like to take them on an overnight camping trip, but that's just a long term goal.

And I'll try to keep them on a leash at all time, as I'm an advocate for keeping dogs on their leashes when in an area that is a preserve or has a large population of native animals, just whenever there's a large field I'd like them to be off the leash but not go ballistic haha.

Sorry I forgot to mention about the German SH. One track mind! Always on the hunt! I live where there are rabbits in my yards and I have lots of birds in the shrubs and trees. That dog will NOT stop to eat or drink or even play with my dog. He's hunting 24/7! And good at it. When that tail wiggles or he points then he has struck gold!

So if you are hiking you will have to keep a constant eye out. On the other hand he won't go running off to visit other people.

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I overlooked Huskies. I raised Huskies and Malamutes for 20 years. They can be leash trained. I agree with GoingPostal, very difficult to train off leash. Especially in wide open areas. All of mine took every opportunity to run off for a site see when given the chance.

And when shedding season starts, yes, season! From April-early July in Texas you can brush the equivalent of a dead animal off a Husky a few times a week.

Without hesitation I have to say that Labrador retrievers are by FAR the most versatile outdoorsman and family dog in one. My black lab Rocky is unbelievable in any outdoor or home scenario. He is a stone cold efficient retriever, perfect off leash in the field, and will retrieve ANY object out of water and land faithfully all day. He has camped, hiked and backpacked every condition from 14,000+ foot peaks to long desert hikes. Their undercoat keeps them warm while swimming in cold water, and dries quickly once back on land. Aside from performing in the field, Rocky, and labs in general, love to be part of the family unit. Rocky is affectionate and loving, always by my side or in contact with me. These dogs are great with kids, usually very friendly with other animals, and adapt well to most situations. Even though my pup is a big baby when at home, he still guards the house, issuing a warning bark to approaching people. Labs are tolerant and loyal, given the time and attention they deserve, they will love you a lifetime. Just like most dogs, they do shed. I don't find it overwhelming at all, but it is present. Once caveat though is that most labs are ALWAYS hungry. They have a major food drive, and can gain weight easily if allowed to eat freely.

I would love to have a wolf hybrid. They are not cheap though.

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Originally Posted by Marissa@MKmorphs

For what you are looking for, I would look for something along the lines of the GSPs, hard thing is that NONE of the dogs should be going on such long walks/hikes until they are at least 18-24 months old when the growth plates close, so keep that in mind.

Larger breeds like the labs, shepherds and mountain dogs are prone to having back hip/joint/back issues, and such vigorous exercise might exacerbate thoughs.

You also need to consider the type of climate that you live in, and remember that a lot of the dogs that might be considered usually have very high prey drive, so having on a long lead vs off leash might be prefered.

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Just my two cents, but GSPs are definitely not for the first time dog owner. These animals have an unmatched level of energy, intelligence and alertness that will all but drive any new owner insane. My second dog is a GSP x black lab mix. She is a WONDERFUL dog, but literally shivers with energy. If you don't have a large plot of land, or aren't planning on HEAVILY exercising this dog every single day, I wouldn't have one as your first. My lab has tons of energy, but doesn't even compare to the GSP who runs laps around him.

With regards to hip dysplasia, quite the opposite is true for big dogs. Frequent exercise in the adult years tends to strengthen muscles, tendons and ligaments, providing for a healthier senior dog. Yes, large breed dogs are prone to this disease, but regular vet checkups, having hips checked when young, a proper diet, and exercise puts this issue at a much lower risk .

I have got to toss in my vote for a German Shepherd. These dogs are insanely versatile and if you do you homework and buy from a reputable breeder, who has bloodlines with good hips, the chances of hip dysplasia are much lower.
I have a year and a half old GSD.
She is leash trained. She heels on command, and even when not heeling will stick to my side within about a ten foot radius. They obey commands 95% of the time and are smooth easy trainers.
She is a family dog and loves being with me (they tend to bond very strongly to one person) and my children, but is aware and protective without being vicious.
She runs with me, she hikes with me, but is also just as willing to spend lazy hours on the couch with me. She is also a breed ambassador and loves to meet children at local events.
The major con is that they can become... I don't want to say vicious, but prone to bite (they are fear biters) without proper socialization. They can also get bored easily. This is an in your pocket dog, not an animal to be left alone home all the time.
The consideration also needs to be taken that they are also double coated (lots of shedding all year long) so if you are in a hot environment they have a bit of trouble keeping cool. I have to make sure that I take that into consideration in our hot summers when running or hiking with her.
Overall these guys are a fantastic breed. I've owned a number of different breeds over my life and have never found another that I love as much. They have a personality all their own.

I mean, who can say no to this face?
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Originally Posted by Reinz

Sorry I forgot to mention about the German SH. One track mind! Always on the hunt! I live where there are rabbits in my yards and I have lots of birds in the shrubs and trees. That dog will NOT stop to eat or drink or even play with my dog. He's hunting 24/7! And good at it. When that tail wiggles or he points then he has struck gold!

So if you are hiking you will have to keep a constant eye out. On the other hand he won't go running off to visit other people.

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I overlooked Huskies. I raised Huskies and Malamutes for 20 years. They can be leash trained. I agree with GoingPostal, very difficult to train off leash. Especially in wide open areas. All of mine took every opportunity to run off for a site see when given the chance.

And when shedding season starts, yes, season! From April-early July in Texas you can brush the equivalent of a dead animal off a Husky a few times a week.

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Is there a way to train them so that behavior is easily or somewhat easily contained? I'd rather them not go after an animal whenever we're out and about haha.
Are Huskies and Malamutes behavior very similar? And is the shedding season for both too (yes probably lol).

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

Without hesitation I have to say that Labrador retrievers are by FAR the most versatile outdoorsman and family dog in one. My black lab Rocky is unbelievable in any outdoor or home scenario. He is a stone cold efficient retriever, perfect off leash in the field, and will retrieve ANY object out of water and land faithfully all day. He has camped, hiked and backpacked every condition from 14,000+ foot peaks to long desert hikes. Their undercoat keeps them warm while swimming in cold water, and dries quickly once back on land. Aside from performing in the field, Rocky, and labs in general, love to be part of the family unit. Rocky is affectionate and loving, always by my side or in contact with me. These dogs are great with kids, usually very friendly with other animals, and adapt well to most situations. Even though my pup is a big baby when at home, he still guards the house, issuing a warning bark to approaching people. Labs are tolerant and loyal, given the time and attention they deserve, they will love you a lifetime. Just like most dogs, they do shed. I don't find it overwhelming at all, but it is present. Once caveat though is that most labs are ALWAYS hungry. They have a major food drive, and can gain weight easily if allowed to eat freely.

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Labs were my main choice at first since I heard so many good things about them and that's what I'll probably lean to for a first dog if I'm not comfortable yet when it comes to training other dogs with stronger drives. And thanks for the input about the hiking and such, I just really want a friend that could go with me whenever and will just be there for me in general haha.

Standard Poodle - best dogs in the world. They don't shed either so you can groom them to be ready for any terrain or climate.

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Originally Posted by Pampho85

Is there a way to train them so that behavior is easily or somewhat easily contained? I'd rather them not go after an animal whenever we're out and about haha.
Are Huskies and Malamutes behavior very similar? And is the shedding season for both too (yes probably lol).



Labs were my main choice at first since I heard so many good things about them and that's what I'll probably lean to for a first dog if I'm not comfortable yet when it comes to training other dogs with stronger drives. And thanks for the input about the hiking and such, I just really want a friend that could go with me whenever and will just be there for me in general haha.

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If you want a loyal adventure buddy there is nothing better than a lab. I've been in situations in nature where having Rocky with me likely saved my life multiple times. He alerts to any kind of wildlife or people that approach our campsite, and is the best cuddle buddy when its cold at night. We have been through some sub-freezing temp nights together, and literally hung onto one another for dear life. He comes into Home Depot, Bass Pro Shop etc with me off leash and is always a big hit.

Also, when off leash outdoors labs are known for not running away or following scent trails. Rocky will run around the woods, play in the river or lake, and come back to check in every couple minutes. If I call he comes running, every single time without fail. Malamutes/huskies and any hound dogs are nightmares to camp with. I once went on a trip with a girl that had a husky and we spent the whole trip tracking the dog after it took off chasing a deer. Two days later it showed up with bloodied raw paws.

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Originally Posted by Asherah

I have got to toss in my vote for a German Shepherd. These dogs are insanely versatile and if you do you homework and buy from a reputable breeder, who has bloodlines with good hips, the chances of hip dysplasia are much lower.
I have a year and a half old GSD.
She is leash trained. She heels on command, and even when not heeling will stick to my side within about a ten foot radius. They obey commands 95% of the time and are smooth easy trainers.
She is a family dog and loves being with me (they tend to bond very strongly to one person) and my children, but is aware and protective without being vicious.
She runs with me, she hikes with me, but is also just as willing to spend lazy hours on the couch with me. She is also a breed ambassador and loves to meet children at local events.
The major con is that they can become... I don't want to say vicious, but prone to bite (they are fear biters) without proper socialization. They can also get bored easily. This is an in your pocket dog, not an animal to be left alone home all the time.
The consideration also needs to be taken that they are also double coated (lots of shedding all year long) so if you are in a hot environment they have a bit of trouble keeping cool. I have to make sure that I take that into consideration in our hot summers when running or hiking with her.
Overall these guys are a fantastic breed. I've owned a number of different breeds over my life and have never found another that I love as much. They have a personality all their own.

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I personally love german shepherds, but you will run into issues with breed restrictions for apartments. At least in my area of Denver no apartments will rent to someone with a GSD.

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

If you want a loyal adventure buddy there is nothing better than a lab. I've been in situations in nature where having Rocky with me likely saved my life multiple times. He alerts to any kind of wildlife or people that approach our campsite, and is the best cuddle buddy when its cold at night. We have been through some sub-freezing temp nights together, and literally hung onto one another for dear life. He comes into Home Depot, Bass Pro Shop etc with me off leash and is always a big hit.

Also, when off leash outdoors labs are known for not running away or following scent trails. Rocky will run around the woods, play in the river or lake, and come back to check in every couple minutes. If I call he comes running, every single time without fail. Malamutes/huskies and any hound dogs are nightmares to camp with. I once went on a trip with a girl that had a husky and we spent the whole trip tracking the dog after it took off chasing a deer. Two days later it showed up with bloodied raw paws.

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Oh Yea! When I call my OEB she comes walking when she is good and ready. I refer to it as the Bulldog Delay. She does as asked but with just enough resistance to let you know she would rather not.

I can handle her fine but the wife is another issue.

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Originally Posted by Pampho85

Is there a way to train them so that behavior is easily or somewhat easily contained? I'd rather them not go after an animal whenever we're out and about haha.
Are Huskies and Malamutes behavior very similar? And is the shedding season for both too (yes probably lol).



Labs were my main choice at first since I heard so many good things about them and that's what I'll probably lean to for a first dog if I'm not comfortable yet when it comes to training other dogs with stronger drives. And thanks for the input about the hiking and such, I just really want a friend that could go with me whenever and will just be there for me in general haha.

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GSP are HUNTING dogs. That is their nature. That would be quite difficult to override and maybe considered cruel by some.
Also on second thought, I have to agree with JoshSloane GSP are VERY HIGH ENERGY! Probably not a good choice for a first dog.

Malamutes and Huskies are very similar, especially their shedding.


When I read your OP, Lab was the first breed come to mind. The only reason I didn't mention it was I do not have much personal experience with the breed other than various friends and acquaintances with labs over the years. They seem to fit your criteria the best.

To prove no bias, other dogs I have owned (including childhood):

German Shepard 10 yrs
Golden Retriever 14-15 yrs
Rough Collies (Lassie) 20+ yrs
Basset Hound 11 yrs

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Originally Posted by Pampho85

Is there a way to train them so that behavior is easily or somewhat easily contained? I'd rather them not go after an animal whenever we're out and about haha.
Are Huskies and Malamutes behavior very similar? And is the shedding season for both too (yes probably lol).



Labs were my main choice at first since I heard so many good things about them and that's what I'll probably lean to for a first dog if I'm not comfortable yet when it comes to training other dogs with stronger drives. And thanks for the input about the hiking and such, I just really want a friend that could go with me whenever and will just be there for me in general haha.

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Don't be deceived about a Lab not having strong drives. They are hunting dogs and have exceedingly strong responses and are obsessive ( I own one as well) in terms of ease of train-ability the GSD was worlds easier than my Lab. The GSD is less than two and will quickly and happily respond to training and commands that I am still failing at teaching the lab, who is 4, to do. She's also still very high energy and I imagine she will be until the day she dies. Don't get me wrong the Lab is a fantastic animal and ours is a great family pet and a great hunting dog, but I would not categorize a lab as "having a lower drive."
My lab is an awesome companion for my son and totally adores him. She's a wacky fun thing and was relatively easy to train. She's got a bag of tricks a mile long and loves doing them and is people oriented. She's never met a stranger.
Labs are double coated as well and she shed's worse than the GSD!
Frankly as a hiking companion my lab sucks. She's constantly distracted by everything and everyone (the OH MY EGERED I HAVE TO GO MEET THEM/GO GET IT NOW) and is unpleasant to walk on leash. I constantly have to correct her and she's stubborn enough to ignore multiple corrections in favor of what she wants. This has been my experience with every lab I have ever owned, which is to date three. I love my ball of hyper fattness, but lots of people that get a lab are deceived about what kind of dog they really are. Whatever you get make sure to do research and reading before diving in, if possible go and meet the dog.

Had to edit: reread and it seems like I'm bashing labs which I'm totally not! Just comparison and contrast of the dogs I have owned and their personalities. :)

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

I personally love german shepherds, but you will run into issues with breed restrictions for apartments. At least in my area of Denver no apartments will rent to someone with a GSD.

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I've had some similar issues but generally if the owner meets her they have no problems. Being upfront with the owner and opening conversation with them is a big step to getting an apartment. Persistence is key really.

My experience is mostly with large apartment complexes that are managed and not owned directly by an individual. These days people are ridiculously fearful of everything. Anytime I rent I always see GSDs on the restricted lists. It makes no sense but it definitely could hinder someone with the breed.

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Originally Posted by Asherah

Don't be deceived about a Lab not having strong drives. They are hunting dogs and have exceedingly strong responses and are obsessive ( I own one as well) in terms of ease of train-ability the GSD was worlds easier than my Lab. The GSD is less than two and will quickly and happily respond to training and commands that I am still failing at teaching the lab, who is 4, to do. She's also still very high energy and I imagine she will be until the day she dies. Don't get me wrong the Lab is a fantastic animal and ours is a great family pet and a great hunting dog, but I would not categorize a lab as "having a lower drive."
My lab is an awesome companion for my son and totally adores him. She's a wacky fun thing and was relatively easy to train. She's got a bag of tricks a mile long and loves doing them and is people oriented. She's never met a stranger.
Labs are double coated as well and she shed's worse than the GSD!
Frankly as a hiking companion my lab sucks. She's constantly distracted by everything and everyone (the OH MY EGERED I HAVE TO GO MEET THEM/GO GET IT NOW) and is unpleasant to walk on leash. I constantly have to correct her and she's stubborn enough to ignore multiple corrections in favor of what she wants. This has been my experience with every lab I have ever owned, which is to date three. I love my ball of hyper fattness, but lots of people that get a lab are deceived about what kind of dog they really are. Whatever you get make sure to do research and reading before diving in, if possible go and meet the dog.

Had to edit: reread and it seems like I'm bashing labs which I'm totally not! Just comparison and contrast of the dogs I have owned and their personalities. :)

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Labs absolutely have a ton of energy, but in my 20 years experience owning both labs and GSPs, nothing on earth compares to the energy output of a GSP. Obviously every dog has their own unique personality and situation, but my 5 year old lab looks like a senior citizen compared to my GSP. You cant go wrong with either of these breeds, im only bringing up any issues for the first time owner to be aware of. If youre committed to their happiness either breed will be amazing outdoors.

If you want a dog that's a big goofball go lab. I hold my 90lb lab like a baby on his back while im standing up.

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

Labs absolutely have a ton of energy, but in my 20 years experience owning both labs and GSPs, nothing on earth compares to the energy output of a GSP. Obviously every dog has their own unique personality and situation, but my 5 year old lab looks like a senior citizen compared to my GSP. You cant go wrong with either of these breeds, im only bringing up any issues for the first time owner to be aware of. If youre committed to their happiness either breed will be amazing outdoors.

If you want a dog that's a big goofball go lab. I hold my 90lb lab like a baby on his back while im standing up.

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I've determined I either always pick the hyper pup or I just fail at training labs. They make great working dogs for me, but don't know when to turn off their on.
I couldn't comment on a GSP, I have never owned one, they are however stunning dogs.

I think all the breeds suggested are great, and people are going to have their own reactions to how well the fit with each breed (obviously I'm the GSD lady! lol). Go out and check out several different types of dogs your interested in (a good breeder would let you come meet a few of their dogs) and then zero in from there.

The best advice that I can give for people training labs and GSPs, is that you really have to train YOURSELF. These are incredibly smart, loving and affectionate animals that NEED your attention and input. They want to be part of the "pack," and wont do well without attention and guidance. Like I said before, if you want a dog that is going to be part of everything you do, and literally be on top of you, labs are the best bet.

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Originally Posted by Marissa@MKmorphs

For what you are looking for, I would look for something along the lines of the GSPs, hard thing is that NONE of the dogs should be going on such long walks/hikes until they are at least 18-24 months old when the growth plates close, so keep that in mind.

Larger breeds like the labs, shepherds and mountain dogs are prone to having back hip/joint/back issues, and such vigorous exercise might exacerbate thoughs.

You also need to consider the type of climate that you live in, and remember that a lot of the dogs that might be considered usually have very high prey drive, so having on a long lead vs off leash might be prefered.

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You basically said what was my concern about the growth plates. We have a Golden Retriever puppy - and another thing that we are doing with him is slow growth, for healthier joint growth, keeping him lean (most people allow their dogs to be overweight, even just slightly overweight can cause issues). We plan to keep Noah lean with a visible tuck in his waist. And slow growth as a puppy will NOT affect their adult weight - that is genetically determined.

Also - once you decide on a breed, look for some breed specific forums for breed specific health issues for you to be aware of. Sixty percent of goldens die of lymphoma or hemangio sarcoma for example. There is currently a study being done by the Morris Animal Foundation of 3000 goldens nationwide, that they are followiing from 6 months old until they die. Noah was born a few months too late to be part of the study, or he would have been enrolled in the study.

The Morris Animal Foundation has said that adding veggies to the dogs' diets may actually help reduce the incidence or significantly delay the onset of these cancers, as well as delayed neuter/spay, or keeping the animal intact. I've always been a spay/neuter advocate, but the more I learned about the health BENEFITS of delayed neuter, the more my thinking on that has changed. It also allows healthier joint growth - golden retrievers neutered by 6 months are taller than breed standard and double their chances of devoloping hip and/or elboy dysplasia than those that are delayed until 18 months to 2 years old. Also, the shorter goldens (delayed neuter) are living on average 2 years loinger than their early neutered counterparts. My vet gave me a high 5 when I told him that we were choosing delayed neuter, and may not neuter at all when Noah gets to 2 years old. He said it was so refreshing to have a client that didn't drink the spay/neuter kool-aid, and was concerned for the long term health implications for their animal instead.

In any case, I now advocate that if you feel you will spend the time training your dog, and managing him, that delayed spay and neuter are absolutely essential in large breed dogs for healthy joint development and not accelerating bone growth when hormones are removed, and in some cases, for delaying the onset of pre-dispositioned cancers. You can google "delayed neuter" to read more about UC Davis' findings on delayed neuter.

I know I'm rambling, but this has become so important to me in how we're chosing to raise OUR golden retriever boy. And in a sense too, I'm angry that the spay/neuter mantra may be compromising our pets' health. It's rare to spay/neuter in Europe, and they also don't have the stray problem that we have here in the States, because the owners there MANAGE their pets better than we do.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

You basically said what was my concern about the growth plates. We have a Golden Retriever puppy - and another thing that we are doing with him is slow growth, for healthier joint growth, keeping him lean (most people allow their dogs to be overweight, even just slightly overweight can cause issues). We plan to keep Noah lean with a visible tuck in his waist. And slow growth as a puppy will NOT affect their adult weight - that is genetically determined.

Also - once you decide on a breed, look for some breed specific forums for breed specific health issues for you to be aware of. Sixty percent of goldens die of lymphoma or hemangio sarcoma for example. There is currently a study being done by the Morris Animal Foundation of 3000 goldens nationwide, that they are followiing from 6 months old until they die. Noah was born a few months too late to be part of the study, or he would have been enrolled in the study.

The Morris Animal Foundation has said that adding veggies to the dogs' diets may actually help reduce the incidence or significantly delay the onset of these cancers, as well as delayed neuter/spay, or keeping the animal intact. I've always been a spay/neuter advocate, but the more I learned about the health BENEFITS of delayed neuter, the more my thinking on that has changed. It also allows healthier joint growth - golden retrievers neutered by 6 months are taller than breed standard and double their chances of devoloping hip and/or elboy dysplasia than those that are delayed until 18 months to 2 years old. Also, the shorter goldens (delayed neuter) are living on average 2 years loinger than their early neutered counterparts. My vet gave me a high 5 when I told him that we were choosing delayed neuter, and may not neuter at all when Noah gets to 2 years old. He said it was so refreshing to have a client that didn't drink the spay/neuter kool-aid, and was concerned for the long term health implications for their animal instead.

In any case, I now advocate that if you feel you will spend the time training your dog, and managing him, that delayed spay and neuter are absolutely essential in large breed dogs for healthy joint development and not accelerating bone growth when hormones are removed, and in some cases, for delaying the onset of pre-dispositioned cancers. You can google "delayed neuter" to read more about UC Davis' findings on delayed neuter.

I know I'm rambling, but this has become so important to me in how we're chosing to raise OUR golden retriever boy. And in a sense too, I'm angry that the spay/neuter mantra may be compromising our pets' health. It's rare to spay/neuter in Europe, and they also don't have the stray problem that we have here in the States, because the owners there MANAGE their pets better than we do.

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Woah woah woah. Im not sure where in Europe you went to, but from what I have seen and read, Europe is drowning in feral/stray cats and dogs. Paris is one big maze for cats chasing rodents. Also, owning dogs and cats as domestic pets is far less frequent in Europe than it is in the US. The level of medical education for vets, quality, access and care in the US vastly outweighs that of any European country.

I don't believe any of the dog owners here are part of the problem when it comes to stray animals. I would hope that all the dog owners here are being responsible pet owners and not allowing their dogs and cats to get knocked up and have 15 baby daddies like has become so common in both pets and people. Its not just an animal issue. Let me stop before I get on a rant.:frustrate

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To comment on a few things since my last post.

G/Shepards are awesome, one of ours saved my life when I was in diapers. I had wandered into the highway and he came and nugged me out.

JoshSloane is sooo right! GSP's have tons more energy and can outlast a Lab any day of the week and twice on Sunday. But I have found Labs to be more social with people.

My Golden Retriever was a great outdoors dog. Very loyal, but the dumbest dog I ever had in my whole life. And I've had many dogs!

One uncommon breed you might consider is the English Shepherd. They do tend towards being a bit independent and bossy as they frequently do flock guardian-type work, and they can become quite the know-it-all if you don't channel that tendency, but they learn quick and willingly and are usually very attuned to their person. They tend to be healthy but you do have to watch out for their penchant for hip dysplasia so a good breeder is a must, and they're extremely intelligent, but not usually hyperactive/neurotic like their cousin breed the border collie. Coat type ranges from super fluffy to fairly short with ruff and feathers. They are protective, but tolerant of strangers as a whole.

I had an ES mix who could have been a truly amazing dog... if he hadn't been extremely independent (I partly blame the cattle dog) and I living in a situation where such a breed was the *wrong* choice. And even with that extreme independence, he was still strongly bonded to me. I took him on a 7 mile hike once and he was more than ready to do it all over again immediately. Training him was a joy because he learned things with frightening speed. He also helped as a nursemaid to every bottle-baby kitten and foster-puppy I brought into my house.

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I would love to have a wolf hybrid. They are not cheap though.

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Dude, I had a wolf/husky hybrid growing up. He was amazing. I want another one, but the restrictions where I live now don't allow them. I would recommend a hybrid to the OP, but we had to shave our boy in the summer to keep him from being too hot/shedding allll over the place.

I like Australian Shepherds, they're very pretty and reasonably smart, but IDK if they could keep up with you on those kind of treks.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

The Morris Animal Foundation has said that adding veggies to the dogs' diets may actually help reduce the incidence or significantly delay the onset of these cancers, as well as delayed neuter/spay, or keeping the animal intact. I've always been a spay/neuter advocate, but the more I learned about the health BENEFITS of delayed neuter, the more my thinking on that has changed. It also allows healthier joint growth - golden retrievers neutered by 6 months are taller than breed standard and double their chances of devoloping hip and/or elboy dysplasia than those that are delayed until 18 months to 2 years old. Also, the shorter goldens (delayed neuter) are living on average 2 years loinger than their early neutered counterparts. My vet gave me a high 5 when I told him that we were choosing delayed neuter, and may not neuter at all when Noah gets to 2 years old. He said it was so refreshing to have a client that didn't drink the spay/neuter kool-aid, and was concerned for the long term health implications for their animal instead.

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I will have to look into the research about the spay/neuter. That is most curious, I read something else brief on this subject before, but I need to do research now, and look in relation to cats too.
Also, there is much worse Kool-Aid, like the PETA drink...

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Originally Posted by KMG

I don't believe any of the dog owners here are part of the problem when it comes to stray animals. I would hope that all the dog owners here are being responsible pet owners and not allowing their dogs and cats to get knocked up and have 15 baby daddies like has become so common in both pets and people. Its not just an animal issue. Let me stop before I get on a rant.:frustrate

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Agreed.

I had a couple Australian Shepherds growing up. They are very smart. My mom could come out and ask one of them "where are the boys?" and she would point her body in the direction of the part of the woods we were in.

I don't think one would have any issue keeping up with a human on a trail. Ours kept up with us on horseback just fine.

They are very sweet though and neither was much of a guard dog. Not that the labs my friend, dad, and brother have are either. They will all show the burglar where the silver is.

That's one thing I really like about my OEB. They are standoffish and do not warm up to strangers right away. She takes a good ten minutes before others can pet her. She has never bit or even snapped at anyone but I also tell them to leave her alone.

I have a bit more time now to share a few of my favorite breeds which have been part of the family over the years.

Australian Shepherds were a staple to our pack of yard dogs growing up. Ours were excellent watch dogs, yappers through and through, with extremely strong herding instincts. Every other animal in the yard, including people, were pretty used to being nipped on the heels when straying too far from the rest of the herd. They have a rather unruly, long coat that will pick up any and every thing they trek through. Instead of constant grooming we simply sheered ours a few times a year, like sheep. Very smart, loyal, plenty of energy but probably not the best choice as a hiking companion.

Akitas were another constant growing up, also our main protectors of family and property. They have extremely strong hunting and protecting instincts so care must be taken around other animals. This also makes them unsuitable hiking partners if off a lead. Ours were never overly aggressive towards people and seemed to adopt our general attitude in any given situation. When friends were over, they would be loving and playful even with kids they had never met. When we weren't there though, or if a stranger we were unsure of approached, their natural instincts to protect would take over. The dogs would split, one always staying between family and threat while the other stealthily(amazingly so for a large breed) circled around to take position out of the intruder's line of sight. None ever attacked, bit or even so much as barked at a stranger - they didn't have to - as their general presence and behavior were plenty enough. Probably not the best choice for a first time dog owner as they can be strong willed and resistant to training but I have never met an animal more naturally inclined to protect, or suitable to the task, in all my years.

Standard poodles were our indoor/outdoor dogs and it's hard to explain how great these animals are to those who haven't personally experienced them. My folks produced a few litters over the years and probably 9/10 of the people who bought pups explained that they had one growing up and wanted the same experience for their own kids. They are loving, protective, playful, high energy, reserved, friendly, goofy - basically they are what you need them to be and then some. Just don't give them those ridiculous show ring cuts and you have the perfect, all around companion. If you do end up getting a standard poodle I'll just go ahead and say this now. You're welcome.

I'm little surprised no one has mentioned a border collie yet. If you want a smart, very trainable dog with the energy to follow you all day long, a border collie is a tough breed to beat. Top choice of breeds for sports like agility because of their remarkable intelligence and incredible athleticism. Not to mention border collies tend to be snugglers, which I adore. They're also medium sized, and while I love the big dogs I have to admit a 60 pound snugglebug is easier to deal with than a 120 pound loaf. My brothers shepherd/rott can not be moved once he takes a seat, and his enthusiasm for greeting friends will knock you off your feet if you aren't seated.

I've also had German shepherds, which make for excellent family dogs due to their incredibly loyal nature and high intelligence. They're great dogs and I have known several very outdoorsy people who had them and took them everywhere (hiking, camping, you name it). Though a lot of them tend to face some pretty serious health problems either fairly early or pretty late in their life.

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the more I learned about the health BENEFITS of delayed neuter, the more my thinking on that has changed. It also allows healthier joint growth - golden retrievers neutered by 6 months are taller than breed standard and double their chances of devoloping hip and/or elboy dysplasia than those that are delayed until 18 months to 2 years old. Also, the shorter goldens (delayed neuter) are living on average 2 years loinger than their early neutered counterparts. My vet gave me a high 5 when I told him that we were choosing delayed neuter, and may not neuter at all when Noah gets to 2 years old. He said it was so refreshing to have a client that didn't drink the spay/neuter kool-aid, and was concerned for the long term health implications for their animal instead.

In any case, I now advocate that if you feel you will spend the time training your dog, and managing him, that delayed spay and neuter are absolutely essential in large breed dogs for healthy joint development and not accelerating bone growth when hormones are removed, and in some cases, for delaying the onset of pre-dispositioned cancers. You can google "delayed neuter" to read more about UC Davis' findings on delayed neuter.

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The breeder I bought my puppy from a few months ago said basically the same thing. There's a number of health and development benefits for the dog, and to delay neutering if at all possible. Two years will be the earliest I will think about neutering him, and I may decide to just forego it altogether.

To address the original question in the thread, I would say go with a German Shepherd. Smart, loyal, very trainable, protective, rugged and durable, they meet all of your requirements except the shedding one. Brush them once a day. It keeps their fur under control and it gives you a few minutes each day to bond with your dog.

I think the best dog for you is a pit bull. Besides their horrible reputation, they are really great dogs. Smart, obedient, they don't require grooming, and they are super friendly. I've dealt with a few pits in my life and all of them are wonderful dogs that I would gladly take home. Another option is a St.Bernard, if you don't mind size. They can be a bit more maintenance but they are friendly and would do anything for you. I wouldn't suggest a Weimaraner for a first time owner as they can be tricky to train. And lots of huskys don't really bond to their owners like other dogs. Anyways, hope I helped.


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I think the best dog for you is a pit bull. Besides their horrible reputation, they are really great dogs. Smart, obedient, they don't require grooming, and they are super friendly. I've dealt with a few pits in my life and all of them are wonderful dogs that I would gladly take home. Another option is a St.Bernard, if you don't mind size. They can be a bit more maintenance but they are friendly and would do anything for you. I wouldn't suggest a Weimaraner for a first time owner as they can be tricky to train. And lots of huskys don't really bond to their owners like other dogs. Anyways, hope I helped.


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I second pit. I just picked up my second pit recently since I lost my red nose.

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I've grew up having owned a pit, doberman, pug, basset hound, and German shepherd.

German Shepard are thick headed and take a firm dominant pack leader and also can be nippy, from my experience. Probably not what a first time dog owner should get.

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I second pit. I just picked up my second pit recently since I lost my red nose.

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I've grew up having owned a pit, doberman, pug, basset hound, and German shepherd.

German Shepard are thick headed and take a firm dominant pack leader and also can be nippy, from my experience. Probably not what a first time dog owner should get.

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That puppy is so freaking adorable. Way too cute. I own a boxer and she is the sweetest thing. It's so sad that they have such horrible reputations.


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My wife and I rescue dogs on a regular basis and I ended up keeping one about 5 years ago. He's a Golden Mountain Dog, basically a golden retriever and bernese mountain dog mix. He's roughly about 105-115 lbs and the most amazing outdoor dog. I take him on 2-3 day backpacking trips and he swims out in the water with me when I surf. They are very smart dogs that are incredibly intelligent and protective. If I am not home he stays with my daughter and wife blocks the front door. He's pretty big and can be very intimidating when he feels his family is in danger. If you are able to find one I would definitely look into one... though he does shed pretty good.

Thanks for the replies everyone! If I don't sum up responses to everyone's comment right now I'll make sure to add on in another post.

I want to steer a bit clear of most long haired dog breeds other than Huskys, GSD and Malamutes. I'm also looking for dogs on the large-medium sized like Weims, Viszlas and GSPs. As for Pitbulls and GSD's right now, I've seen a lot of apartments that don't allow them so I think they're out of the question for now. I've heard the Weims, Viszlas and GSPs are protective enough to the point where they won't trust someone and will follow them around, which is what I like, and will vocalize whenever something's 'off'.

And I don't specifically want a dog that is sociable to everyone, just me and that is weary or untrusting to anyone they haven't met a few times as I'd like a dog that is protective. I would also like them to trust and like me the most and not latch on to other people as much.

A very important consideration is heat and cold tolerance since you will be outside a lot with your dog. Illinois can have both extremes.

I love the look of Weims and Viszlas. Looking for a good one will involve a lot of research and will be more expensive. Weims can become too protective and health issues from bad breeders has become common. Vizslas aren't as bad for this but they call them velcro dogs for a reason. Separation anxiety can easily happen. A Standard poodle may be a great choice but again, you will have to do your homework to find a good breeder. Since you are not trying to find a hunting Standard Poodle, you will have an easier time.

I have a 10 year old GSP male. He is often a couch potato but that on switch is easily flipped. Its all about the hunt for them. This can be toned down but I doubt it can be totally trained out. Training a GSP (or Vizsla or Weim for that matter) to not chase deer is very possible but it does require a lot of training.

Any dog you get will have to be trained for a Leave It command and a perfect recall/Come command. Training Whoa is a good idea too. It can stop your dog when they are about to cross a road or do something else they could get injured by.

If you get a puppy, make sure the parents are tested for hips and eyes, along with other possible breed specific issues. A health guarantee for genetic issues that is at least 30-36 months long is essential. OFA will not let you test hips until after they are 24 months old. PENNHip can be done younger but it is more expensive.

We had a Siberian/Malamute/Wolf cross. Chase was a great dog. Hated being on a leash but we have never had a better camping dog. Totally silent until there was something for humans to be concerned about. He didn't run off to look for trouble and bring it back to camp such as looking for bear. Loved to chase squirrels but he never barked or whined when he did. I doubt it was the breed mix but the dog and how he was raised. We lived in the north in a place with 16 people. He could roam free.

Don't be afraid to look into rescues even young adult rescues. Depending on where you look, some may be great for you but perhaps they didn't have enough "hunt" in them for the previous owner/breeder.

If you decide on a Lab, and that is a good choice too, find parents that are on the small side and be very sure of hip testing etc. Upland hunting and pointing lab size lines are a good place to start. They will be able to handle the trails better.

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A very important consideration is heat and cold tolerance since you will be outside a lot with your dog. Illinois can have both extremes.

I love the look of Weims and Viszlas. Looking for a good one will involve a lot of research and will be more expensive. Weims can become too protective and health issues from bad breeders has become common. Vizslas aren't as bad for this but they call them velcro dogs for a reason. Separation anxiety can easily happen. A Standard poodle may be a great choice but again, you will have to do your homework to find a good breeder. Since you are not trying to find a hunting Standard Poodle, you will have an easier time.

I have a 10 year old GSP male. He is often a couch potato but that on switch is easily flipped. Its all about the hunt for them. This can be toned down but I doubt it can be totally trained out. Training a GSP (or Vizsla or Weim for that matter) to not chase deer is very possible but it does require a lot of training.

Any dog you get will have to be trained for a Leave It command and a perfect recall/Come command. Training Whoa is a good idea too. It can stop your dog when they are about to cross a road or do something else they could get injured by.

If you get a puppy, make sure the parents are tested for hips and eyes, along with other possible breed specific issues. A health guarantee for genetic issues that is at least 30-36 months long is essential. OFA will not let you test hips until after they are 24 months old. PENNHip can be done younger but it is more expensive.

We had a Siberian/Malamute/Wolf cross. Chase was a great dog. Hated being on a leash but we have never had a better camping dog. Totally silent until there was something for humans to be concerned about. He didn't run off to look for trouble and bring it back to camp such as looking for bear. Loved to chase squirrels but he never barked or whined when he did. I doubt it was the breed mix but the dog and how he was raised. We lived in the north in a place with 16 people. He could roam free.

Don't be afraid to look into rescues even young adult rescues. Depending on where you look, some may be great for you but perhaps they didn't have enough "hunt" in them for the previous owner/breeder.

If you decide on a Lab, and that is a good choice too, find parents that are on the small side and be very sure of hip testing etc. Upland hunting and pointing lab size lines are a good place to start. They will be able to handle the trails better.

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Thanks for the reply!

I'll be in central Illinois so it doesn't have the harsh summers or harsh winters, just in the middle. I decided to choose an American lab puppy (since the English ones are a bit bulkier and not as outdoorsy). Isn't the 'Whoa' similar to stop then? Or are they both interchangeable? I was actually talking to a friend about making sure they have their dew claws removed, two vaccinations, be de-wormed and their parents should have certifications by the OFA and CERF. However, I was looking at a site called 'puppyfinder; and I realized that not all dogs will have their parents certified with OFA and CERF. Would this be a big problem? Also, I'm making sure to get a breeder that as 1 year - 30 month health guarantee as well. I'll be getting this puppy in around 2 1/2 to 3 years so I'll be doing some more research before.

I do have one question tho for how long do you not give a puppy any freedom (by freedom I mean letting it wander around the house while it's not potty trained) or until what age? I was thinking if you get them around 7-8 weeks of age, you can crate train them for 2 or so months after that to get housebroken. Would this work or is it still a too young age to do so?