What will i get

Hi there, sory new to all this... What will i get if i breed my normal female 2 a 66% het piebald male?

You would get a clutch of normals het pied. I am not too sure of the percentage. If you had a 100% het pied then the babies would be 50% het but since you only have a 66% het pied, the percentage would be lower (33%) <- even though no one uses this low of a het chance simply because it is so low that it is almost not worth advertising it.

O ok... Thank u

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Originally Posted by BCS

You would get a clutch of normals het pied. I am not too sure of the percentage. If you had a 100% het pied then the babies would be 50% het but since you only have a 66% het pied, the percentage would be lower (33%) <- even though no one uses this low of a het chance simply because it is so low that it is almost not worth advertising it.

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Wrong. 66% het means there is a 66% chance the snake is het and a 33% chance it is normal. 66% het is one of the results of a het to het pairing. If it proves out to be het, you would get 50% het pied and 50% normals on average. If it is normal, then 100% normal.

A useful link for you.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...Basic-Genetics

Basically, you'll get a bunch of normals. Throw the possible het pied out the window when you're pairing it to a normal.

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Originally Posted by Manni K

What will i get if i breed my normal female 2 a 66% het piebald male?

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Nothing,unless the female ovulates and lays viable eggs, that are incubated properly,and hatch. ;)

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Originally Posted by Eric Alan

Basically, you'll get a bunch of normals. Throw the possible het pied out the window when you're pairing it to a normal.

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Hmmm, I'm quite sure a het to normal can produce hets, and so are you. Unless you assume the possible het is not a het? Not an unreasonable assumption and undoubtedly this would be a poor pairing. Nonetheless, we have a newbie asking a question and now receiving 3 different answers. One completely wrong answer, one completely correct answer and one answer that makes an assumption that may or may not be correct. I stand by my post as the completely correct one.

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Originally Posted by DennisM

Hmmm, I'm quite sure a het to normal can produce hets, and so are you. Unless you assume the possible het is not a het? Not an unreasonable assumption and undoubtedly this would be a poor pairing. Nonetheless, we have a newbie asking a question and now receiving 3 different answers. One completely wrong answer, one completely correct answer and one answer that makes an assumption that may or may not be correct. I stand by my post as the completely correct one.

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Well no, technically not. If you have a 66% het unproven animal that your breeding to a normal the babies don't get percentages, they get labeled as "possible hets" which I have always taken to mean "probably not het". The safest assumption is that the babies will be regular ball pythons until you have proven the sire is actually carrying the pied gene. In which case you still haven't produced anything incredibly valuable, but that's neither here nor there.

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Originally Posted by Daigga

Well no, technically not. If you have a 66% het unproven animal that your breeding to a normal the babies don't get percentages, they get labeled as "possible hets" which I have always taken to mean "probably not het". The safest assumption is that the babies will be regular ball pythons until you have proven the sire is actually carrying the pied gene. In which case you still haven't produced anything incredibly valuable, but that's neither here nor there.

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I didn't state otherwise, see my original reply. I answered the OPs question.

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Originally Posted by DennisM

Hmmm, I'm quite sure a het to normal can produce hets, and so are you. Unless you assume the possible het is not a het? Not an unreasonable assumption and undoubtedly this would be a poor pairing. Nonetheless, we have a newbie asking a question and now receiving 3 different answers. One completely wrong answer, one completely correct answer and one answer that makes an assumption that may or may not be correct. I stand by my post as the completely correct one.

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I'm not making an assumption about anything. A clutch of normal 33% possible het pieds is
worth as much as a clutch of normals in today's market. A knowledgeable person wouldn't even advertise them as such. I understand that a het can produce a het, but I'm not going to sugar coat a possible het x normal pairing to be more than it is.

It is worth significantly more in experience value if you want to count that.

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Originally Posted by DennisM

I didn't state otherwise. I answered the OPs question.

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But you answered it with an assumption that the snake either proved out or didn't, which isn't part of the scenario. With the given information, there is no way to know if the babies will be 50% het or not het at all. Shrodinger is crap science, you cannot have both scenarios be true at the same time, therefore all that would be produced from this clutch would be "possible hets".

Now, if the op was so inclined to attempt to prove out the sire before breeding it to a normal (don't breed him to a normal, by the way. It's not a productive combination) then we would get somewhere with knowing exactly what would be produced.

I hate everything about the schrodinger experiment, by the way. Touched nerve, sorry for the rant.

I have no disagreement, I clearly stated it was a poor pairing and assuming the possible het is not a het is not unreasonable. I think it's important to give the newcomers accurate answers to their questions. The additional info on market value etc is also valid and worthwhile to the OP, but does not answer the OP's question. Time for me to leave this thread:)

I agree that Dennis' answer was correct. :)

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Originally Posted by DennisM

Wrong. 66% het means there is a 66% chance the snake is het and a 33% chance it is normal. 66% het is one of the results of a het to het pairing. If it proves out to be het, you would get 50% het pied and 50% normals on average. If it is normal, then 100% normal.

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Ah I see. I was unaware, thanks. That is kind of why I said I was unsure...

Thanks guys... Ive learnt allot on this forum allready :)