Hypo vs. Orange ghost?

I know these two genes have a similar effect, but which do you consider to be the better "hypo" gene? Which holds color and combines with other genes better?

I'm considering adding some hypo / OG combos to my collection, but have only ever seen a hypo enchi in person, so I don't have anything to compare it with and I have never seen adult examples of either.

Thanks for your input!

They're the same thing. "Hypo" is short for hypomelanistic, which is a reduction of the dark pigment. "Orange ghost" is just a nickname for one of the types of hypo expressed in ball pythons. Orange ghost is, by far, the most common form of hypo in balls. So you can't say that one is better than the other, unless you're picking out another specific type of hypo, such as green ghost.

99% chance that the "hypo enchi" you mention is exactly the same thing as an "orange ghost enchi". Same gene, same morph, different ways of referring to it.

In hypos I look for color tints as babies vs ones with just a washed look, imo they grow up to be the better looking animals.

Hypo / Orange Ghost same thing different line

Here is an Hypo Enchi (adult female) Bell Line

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Female_01.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...e/P1020739.jpg

Same hypo/OG

Thanks guys! I knew that OG was a form of hypo, but wasn't sure what other type the generically called "hypo" that I saw at the show was.

So basically, it doesn't really matter what line of hypo I'm looking at (they are comparable), I just need to look for more color as a baby, which will translate into more color as an adult? Are the hypo lines compatible or do I need to breed a specific line to itself to get hypo offspring (i.e. you don't mix OG and Green ghost)?

Thanks again for your help!

Does orange ghost vs hypo matter when it comes to producing mimosas? Or is it simply the combo that makes that nice orange color?

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Thanks guys! I knew that OG was a form of hypo, but wasn't sure what other type the generically called "hypo" that I saw at the show was.

So basically, it doesn't really matter what line of hypo I'm looking at (they are comparable), I just need to look for more color as a baby, which will translate into more color as an adult? Are the hypo lines compatible or do I need to breed a specific line to itself to get hypo offspring (i.e. you don't mix OG and Green ghost)?

Thanks again for your help!

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Ahhhh ghost/hypo compatibility. The subject that will give you a migraine lol. There are so many lines out there it isn't funny. Hypo, ghost, orange, butterscotch, green, blue, citrus, desert, g1, etc.... Some are compatible and some are not. Let's get the easy one out of the way, desert is only compatible with desert. G1 is not compatiable with anything but g1. I know little about blue ghost. Citrus is or isn't depending on who you talk to. The big problem is import ghosts. They label them as ghost, hypo, orange, etc... and just sell them as a certain ghost without even knowing if they are compatible. Best thing I can recommend is if you see a snake you like do research to find out what line it is and what it is compatible with.

Here is a quick comparison shot of one hypo with color and one that is just washed. Both hypos are the exact same gene, they even have the same grandpa. Variation is just from selectively breeding. Colored one I tried to produce, the washed one came from a female I was unaware was het hypo at the time, but it was a nice surprise :)

http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/...psgwu9xx7h.jpg

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Ahhhh ghost/hypo compatibility. The subject that will give you a migraine lol. There are so many lines out there it isn't funny. Hypo, ghost, orange, butterscotch, green, blue, citrus, desert, g1, etc.... Some are compatible and some are not. Let's get the easy one out of the way, desert is only compatible with desert. G1 is not compatiable with anything but g1. I know little about blue ghost. Citrus is or isn't depending on who you talk to. The big problem is import ghosts. They label them as ghost, hypo, orange, etc... and just sell them as a certain ghost without even knowing if they are compatible. Best thing I can recommend is if you see a snake you like do research to find out what line it is and what it is compatible with.

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Desert Ghost and Hypo or Orange ghost are not different lines they are two different mutations

The most commonly worked with lines of Hypo (Bell, Orange Ghost, Butterscotch, Hypo) are all compatible, other lines are not and very few people work with them.

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Desert Ghost and Hypo or Orange ghost are not different lines they are two different mutations

The most commonly worked with lines of Hypo (Bell, Orange Ghost, Butterscotch, Hypo) are all compatible, other lines are not and very few people work with them.

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I included desert just because it is called desert ghost. While orange ghost, butterscotch, hypo are compatible imports get brought in and those names get thrown on the animals. You need to know the line and where they came from. An orange ghost import isn't necessarily compatible with the Nerd line orange ghost for example.

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I included desert just because it is called desert ghost. While orange ghost, butterscotch, hypo are compatible imports get brought in and those names get thrown on the animals. You need to know the line and where they came from. An orange ghost import isn't necessarily compatible with the Nerd line orange ghost for example.

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You are missing the point Desert Ghost is a different mutation all together.

The topic is about Hypo / Orange ghost and the different lines.

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You are missing the point Desert Ghost is a different mutation all together.

The topic is about Hypo / Orange ghost and the different lines.

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Again I included it because of the name. Not sure why I need to explain more but........ I included it because the name is desert ghost. Someone trying to figure out ghost/hypo lines might not know what it is. If they see orange ghost and desert ghost they may not know that the two don't go together. I added it for those that do not know they are different things. Kind of like when someone says desert ghost not desert. Both are different but people are saying it to stop questions before they come up. Another good example is het red axanthic. You and I both know it is codom but new people sometimes think it is recessive. Guess by trying to stop questions I did the opposite.

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You are missing the point Desert Ghost is a different mutation all together.

The topic is about Hypo / Orange ghost and the different lines.

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It's the same type of confusion that was caused by the 'crider caramel' mutation. it was a completely different mutation than the caramel albino but since the mutation contained the word 'caramel' it just confused people (and was why the mutation was eventually renamed ultramel) I also wish that the desert ghost mutation had been given another name.

OWAL- Great pics! Are both of those hypos single-gene animals? (hypo and nothing else)? Great colors on both but the one on the left is just smoking.

Bondo and Deborah- Thank you for the compatibility information... That is good to know.

At this point, I'm basically trying to decide what hypo combo to add... I'm trying to keep my collection small (I have 3 females right now) and was hoping to cover a few projects with one male.. I think my best option would be a hypo enchi lesser male, but I'm sure that would be out of my price range, so I'll probably be looking at either a hypo enchi or hypo lesser male. None of my current females are hypo or het hypo, so I'll have to add a 4th female if I want to produce visual hypos. My current females are a cinnamon, pastave, and pastel enchi.

Do you have an opinion on which animal ends up looking better (assuming equal quality): hypo enchi or hypo lesser? Or, if there are any other genes you think hypo works particularly well with, I'd love your input.

What is your goal to produce?
My personal favorite hypo combo will always be the Honeybee.
I notice you dont have a spider so that may be a gene you dont want to work with?

We just got a killer bee orange ghost and Im trying to learn breeding lines...so I feel your pain!! Haha


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OWAL- Great pics! Are both of those hypos single-gene animals? (hypo and nothing else)? Great colors on both but the one on the left is just smoking.

Do you have an opinion on which animal ends up looking better (assuming equal quality): hypo enchi or hypo lesser? Or, if there are any other genes you think hypo works particularly well with, I'd love your input.

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Yes they are both single gene, grandpa was a pastel hypo, he produced a lemonblast het hypo and a bumblebee het hypo. The colored hypo came from the bumblebee het hypo x hypo pairing. The normal hypo was from the lemonblast het hypo to a normal that I was figuring out some dinker stuff with. Turns out she was het hypo and I was stupid lucky to pair a het hypo animal up to her.

Both look great imo, I am very partial to enchi and love the way our hypo enchi girl is growing up. Really can't go wrong with enchi.

Lesser however is a form of hypomelanism in itself, so combo with hypo just amplifies the effect. I don't think you can go wrong either way. Only thing I would say about the hypo lesser is if you want strong adult colors, stay away from pastel. I have a super pastel lesser hypo and as an adult I doubt anyone can tell. It looks like a super pastel lesser or a hypo lesser, still a cool looking animal but quite a shame compared to when it was a baby. I think it would benefit more from another combo.

Thanks for the info, guys! As a newbie, this helps a lot!!


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Thanks for the great info!
Pitontheprowl- I haven't decided about spiders yet. I do love how they look, but the possibility of producing bad woddlers gives me cold feet. I may have to buy one "as a pet" and see if the wobbling bothers me before I make a decision on working with that gene or not. I have seen some awesome honeybees though, so I can see why you suggested that. Outside of that, not sure what I want to produce other than BELs (with my pastave). With hypos, ideally, I'd want to work towards something with strong color and clean pattern.. Other than that, not sure.

OWAL- Thanks for that information. I wasn't aware that lesser has a hypo effect. The only reason I'm really entertaining a lesser male is that I have a pastave and i'd love to produce BELS.. I find the mojave / mojave BELs grey heads too dark for my taste, so lesser seems to be my only other option.

I don't necessarily have to stick with one male though... I could purchase a hypo enchi to work with hypos and then something like a enchi lesser or fire lesser to work towards BELs. I also have an interest in sugar / calico, but have never seen a hypo sugar / calico, so I'm not sure if that is a good combination.

Thanks again everyone for the great discussion! I appreciate you sharing your feedback.

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OWAL- Thanks for that information. I wasn't aware that lesser has a hypo effect. The only reason I'm really entertaining a lesser male is that I have a pastave and i'd love to produce BELS.. I find the mojave / mojave BELs grey heads too dark for my taste, so lesser seems to be my only other option.

I don't necessarily have to stick with one male though... I could purchase a hypo enchi to work with hypos and then something like a enchi lesser or fire lesser to work towards BELs. I also have an interest in sugar / calico, but have never seen a hypo sugar / calico, so I'm not sure if that is a good combination.

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Lesser is pretty much your only option with mojave as far as pure white BEL, mojave can do some cool things with mystic/phantom, you might be interested in those combos. All of those genes are part of the same complex, so if you are unaware of what that means, look into it before you buy one to breed. In short it means if you made a mojave/mystic (called a mystic potion), and bred that to a normal, all you would get is mojaves and mystics, no normals and no mystic potions. mojave/phantom is called a purple passion (there is a debate on if mystic and phantom are the same gene). But say you got a Lesser/Mystic, which would look like a BEL with a chance of slight pattern, and bred it to your pastave, you could produce BEL, pastel potions, potions, and everything inbetween. Just something to think about if you want more options other than BEL.

Enchi lesser might be an interesting one to pair to a mojave also, I have a theory that the BEL enchi might bring some color back. Shouldn't be long before someone produces one and we can see. Sugar/Calicos are hit or miss imo. The good ones look awesome, but the ones that don't show much could almost be mistaken as normals. But if you have one of good ones, hypo can make it only look better.

I can't think of anything that hypo doesn't make look better, sure some combos it has less of an effect, but I don't think it makes anything look worse. Even by itself I still love the hypo gene, probably why it is the most common gene in my collection.

Thanks for the reply OWAL. I had not even considered mystics.. I will have to look into that option. I also like the lesser/enchi and lesser/mystic ideas too... So many options. Now I see how easy it can be to end up with a large collection of snakes lol.

I will have to put some more thought into this. It may come down to finding a good example of some of the options above. I will let you guys know when I make my next purchase and thanks again for all of your help!