Question on the Ghost gene

I recently purchased a new male ball python. I bought it as a pastel banana. I got a very good deal on a stunning animal. the father banana was bred a het ghost female pastel and surprised breeder with several ghost babies. the male I purchased looks far lighter and cleaner than the other pastel bananas and the difference is instantly noticeable. It very much looks like it has the ghost gene. Is there any way to tell weather it is ghost or a case of het ghost being visual(which I have heard of but unsure of the legitimacy). I also was told if the sheds have no pattern on them then it is a full ghost not het(again unsure of the truth). That said, the sheds have no pattern at all on them. totally uniformly clear-ish. Any knowledge/info is appreciated.

I've hatched a handful of banana ghosts and kept one that is at least six months old. They are obviously brighter but the easiest way to tell is that they don't get the black specks. The one I kept has a few very dull grey specks but that's it.

But Dave, I have one of your Banana Ghosts and hes got a fair amount of speckles ;o


http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...age_958160.jpg

Wouldnt they still shed clear?

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

I've hatched a handful of banana ghosts and kept one that is at least six months old. They are obviously brighter but the easiest way to tell is that they don't get the black specks. The one I kept has a few very dull grey specks but that's it.

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It has few, dull speckles. I just put couple pictures up. here's the link. http://ball-pythons.net/gallery//sho...mageuser=26431

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Originally Posted by BigJay

But Dave, I have one of your Banana Ghosts and hes got a fair amount of speckles ;o

That's a ghost, you can tell by the dull specks. I kept a ghost banana spider, I should have made that clear. The spider ghost banana only has a few specks so far.

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...age_958160.jpg

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Originally Posted by Jcash34

It has few, dull speckles. I just put couple pictures up. here's the link. http://ball-pythons.net/gallery//sho...mageuser=26431

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Sorry, that doesn't look ghost to me, you can see that the specks are black.

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

Sorry, that doesn't look ghost to me, you can see that the specks are black.

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Well hopefully you are wrong lol. :) I appreciate your input and expertise. Compared to its siblings there was a huge difference. I am planning on picking up a pair of proven het ghost normal females and finding out that way. Worst case is pastels and bananas so not would be lost :gj:

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Originally Posted by Jcash34

Well hopefully you are wrong lol. :) I appreciate your input and expertise. Compared to its siblings there was a huge difference. I am planning on picking up a pair of proven het ghost normal females and finding out that way. Worst case is pastels and bananas so not would be lost :gj:

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I've seen het ghost stuff look faded and he has a 50% chance of being het ghost so you may get lucky. You should get ghost females rather than hets so worst case scenario all the babies will be het ghost instead of poss. hets.

I dunno if this has already been said, But if it was a Male Banana male and Female Pastel het Ghost, then any babies including the one you got, would be HET for Ghost, if that. But no way possible of you having a ghost. Also I see no credibility in the breeder hatching out several ghosts in that clutch unless the male banana was also het for ghost?

Percent	Fraction	Morph
12.5%	1/8	Normal
12.5%	1/8	Het. Ghost
12.5%	1/8	Pastel
12.5%	1/8	Pastel Het. Ghost
12.5%	1/8	Banana Ball
12.5%	1/8	Banana Ball Het. Ghost
12.5%	1/8	Banana Pastel
12.5%	1/8	Banana Pastel Het. Ghost

Genetic Wizard 3.0 calculations by
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/gfx/logo.png

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Compared to its siblings there was a huge difference.

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Keep in mind that with CG and or Banana and their combos there is variability when it comes to their coloration even in the same clutch.

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Originally Posted by Tsanford

I dunno if this has already been said, But if it was a Male Banana male and Female Pastel het Ghost, then any babies including the one you got, would be HET for Ghost, if that. But no way possible of you having a ghost. Also I see no credibility in the breeder hatching out several ghosts in that clutch unless the male banana was also het for ghost?

Percent	Fraction	Morph
12.5%	1/8	Normal
12.5%	1/8	Het. Ghost
12.5%	1/8	Pastel
12.5%	1/8	Pastel Het. Ghost
12.5%	1/8	Banana Ball
12.5%	1/8	Banana Ball Het. Ghost
12.5%	1/8	Banana Pastel
12.5%	1/8	Banana Pastel Het. Ghost

Genetic Wizard 3.0 calculations by
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/gfx/logo.png

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Point, they would be POSSIBLE Het.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Point, they would be POSSIBLE Het.

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I said they would be het for ghost, if that. Poss het is the correct term, but that's still what I meant ;)

If you don't mind me asking, was this purchased at the Taylor, Mi. show? Little bugger looks familiar.

[QUOTE=PitOnTheProwl;2343380]Point, they would be POSSIBLE Het.[/QUOTE

I talked to the breeder again to clarify but the male was a pastel banana that was het for ghost and he did not know that until the clutch hatched out two ghosts. There is always the chance that mine is a super pastel and doesn't have the ghost gene at all. All that we know is that it looked very different and much paler than any of it's siblings.

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Originally Posted by Darkbird

If you don't mind me asking, was this purchased at the Taylor, Mi. show? Little bugger looks familiar.

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Indeed it was. Bought it from Mark. Super nice guy.

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Originally Posted by Jcash34

Indeed it was. Bought it from Mark. Super nice guy.

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Thought so. I'm the guy that's been setting up with Mark, and I was standing there when this was going on. If Tony (the guy that actually produced the snake) says he got ghosts out of that clutch then I have no trouble believing him, he's been at this a long time. And it did look like it had ghost in it to me, but I am admittedly a noob too, so that doesn't mean much. But I would have got that sucker if you hadn't, I have some ghost stuff I would have loved to put him to next year. All gets right now, sadly.

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Originally Posted by Darkbird

Thought so. I'm the guy that's been setting up with Mark, and I was standing there when this was going on. If Tony (the guy that actually produced the snake) says he got ghosts out of that clutch then I have no trouble believing him, he's been at this a long time. And it did look like it had ghost in it to me, but I am admittedly a noob too, so that doesn't mean much. But I would have got that sucker if you hadn't, I have some ghost stuff I would have loved to put him to next year. All gets right now, sadly.

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I wondered if that was you lol. I don't know if it is ghost or super pastel banana or just a pastel banana but I can't wait to find out. or maybe a super pastel banana ghost. (yea right) but I can dream lol.

Well it was a really nice looking snake regardless. Good luck with it.