Python and water

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Tonight i found my Python in her bowl of water ( my english is not vero well ) and i own her 5 years ago and she never act like this before. She never stay in the water. I want to Know if its normal ? The température is ok and the hygrometer is well too. Thank You


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The first two things that come to mind would either be that the enclosure is too warm and she's trying to cool down, or she could potentially be trying to drown snake mites. I've heard that some snakes will soak in their water sometimes but I haven't really noticed it with my Ball Pythons.

I agree with the mite theory. The way I found out my girl had mites was she would curl up in her bowl, she also rever did this behavior before the mites.
provent-a-mite is the easiest fix. (without wives tales and home made solutions). retreat every 2-4 weeks 2-3 times and larva won't get big enough to ever lay eggs and then your clean again.

My baby sunglow BCI soaked when she was shedding but I've never seen my pied BP girl soak ever. I agree too with its probably either mites or heat. Check the bottom of the water dish for little black specks that aren't dirt. Also check around the eyes, pits and under the chin for mites. If so, I've heard Natural Chemistry Reptile Spray works really good and doesn't the have the dangers that PAM can have. Plus the reptile spray can be sprayed on the snake itself. I've never used it as I've never had to deal with mites as I'm pretty OCD and avoid reptile shows as it seems most people that get mite problems were at reptile shows and I avoid handling other snakes. But like I said, people here have said the reptile spray worked really good.

I hate when someone that has no experince with a topic chimes in and contradicts someone who actually has used the products.
Don't spray anything on your snake I got the natural chem product in my hand it reads "avoid eyes and facial area" now that is the most important area mite like and you can't teat so re infestation will accur. I can tell you it also softens the scales and made them feel like wet leather and did little to nothing to the mites. I had better luck letting her climb throw a damp towel. Now the PAM when use right Has NO bad effects and stays active so when larva hatch they can't lay eggs before they die. Nothing kills the eggs. But Pam is still working when they hatch and befor they lay eggs. No re infestation.

It could be mites. Check carefully to see if you see any you should see them.

It is often also related to humidity, hygrometers are temperamental tools and often go off. Digital units are especially suspect, they often get stuff on the micro carbon pad and basically any dust can change the reading. I have a number that have read over 30% in error. Analogue gauges are far more robust, however the cheap ones with the paper face card bind too easily, they also can be accurate but rarely stay that way.

I would suggest checking the hygrometer first (salt test for analogues and a hygrometer calibration kit, cigar stores sell them, for digital units)

Look for mites very carefully don't just treat using any chemical. P-A-M is a potent poison and has over many years killed a number of snakes due to incorrect use. I have herd of a couple of cats as well (PERMETHRIN or 3-phenoxyphenyl) is very toxic to cats. Be very careful using any poison, they demand respect. It is in the phenol family of insecticides, yet if I were to suggest spraying cedar oil all over the enclosure I am sure someone would say that is a bad idea. PAMs active ingredient is a synthetic source of a similar chemical. 25 years ago cedar was though to be beneficial, now not so much. Be very careful when using pesticides they are poison. The only EPA approval I can find on PAM aka CIC Residual Pressurized Spray No.V is under 50404-7. But that is approved only for dogs.

(http://www.epa.gov/opp00001/chem_sea...7-20110801.pdf) if there is a correct number anyone knows of I would love to see it. There seem to be few MDSD sheets on the product.

If you decide there are mites, and don't want to use a chemical treatment there are a lot of non toxic mechanical methods to kill mites, they just take some effort.

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Heat... water... detergents... alkaline solutions... diatomaceous earth...

Every living thing has a set of environmental conditions it needs to breed and hatch eggs, if you deny these things they die.

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I hate when someone that has no experince with a topic chimes in and contradicts someone who actually has used the products.
Don't spray anything on your snake I got the natural chem product in my hand it reads "avoid eyes and facial area" now that is the most important area mite like and you can't teat so re infestation will accur. I can tell you it also softens the scales and made them feel like wet leather and did little to nothing to the mites. I had better luck letting her climb throw a damp towel. Now the PAM when use right Has NO bad effects and stays active so when larva hatch they can't lay eggs before they die. Nothing kills the eggs. But Pam is still working when they hatch and befor they lay eggs. No re infestation.

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I disagree. When I had a small case of mites I used reptile spray, on the recommendation of a reputable member of this forum. Worked like a charm. The fact that you are able to even get the stuff near the snake should tell you that it is a far less toxic treatment than PAM.

Ok im worried about my little girl. How can i check if she have mites?


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And if Someone speak french, it Will help me a lot


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I took some picture of her, i didnt see little black spot on her belly or on her chin. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...8e0eee46d6.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...003214ed28.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...7c4806eef7.jpg


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Neether in the water or between her eyes


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Look very carefully around the vent, heat pits and eyes. Mites look like little bits of pepper that walk. The pictures you posted look like the snakes normal color. I would guess that you don't have mites. I would check you humidity.

Veuillez m'excuser pour mon mauvais français.

Si ta rien trouvé dans l'eau, fortement possible que ce n'est pas les acariens le raison.

La température ou l'humidité pas changée dans les dernier temps?
Elle est seul? Il n y a pas un mâle avec?
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If you didn't found nothing in the water, high possibility that not the mites the problem.

The temperature or humidity didn't changed?
She's alone? Don't have a male with her?

It's not completely impossible, that the snake just went into the water of its own accord.

Ok thank You i think i just panic for Nothing,
La température est pareil depuis un bout et sa varie pas vraiment ni l'humidité.
Elle est seul.


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Heat... water... detergents... alkaline solutions... diatomaceous earth...

Every living thing has a set of environmental conditions it needs to breed and hatch eggs, if you deny these things they die.

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Nothing you wanna put or your snake kills the eggs.....better?

[QUOTE=tbowman;2333324]I disagree. When I had a small case of mites I used reptile spray, on the recommendation of a reputable member of this forum. Worked like a charm. The fact that you are able to even get the stuff near the snake should tell you that it is a far less toxic treatment than PAM.[/QUOTE

that 9 dollar Petco stuff does not work well
belive whoever you want

tboman just like to say the opposite of what ever I do,instead of reading just running his mouth

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Ok thank You i think i just panic for Nothing,
La température est pareil depuis un bout et sa varie pas vraiment ni l'humidité.
Elle est seul.


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Si il n'y a rien qui changé dans son terra, possible que elle est trouvé drôle d'aller baigner un peu.
Malgré tout, surveille le si il y a des autres comportements changée, mais maintenant aucun raison pour le panic ;)
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If nothing changed in her cage, possible that she just found funny to take a little bath.
Watch her, if she change other behaviors too, but now don't have any reason for the panic ;)

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When I had a small case of mites I used reptile spray, on the recommendation of a reputable member of this forum. Worked like a charm.

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Same. I just had to do it last weekend as a matter of fact, and it worked very well.

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Nothing you wanna put or your snake kills the eggs.....better?

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Snake mites don't lay eggs on snakes, they travel away from the snake to do so. There are a lot of ways to treat mites that don't involve a phenol. 25 years ago it was though they were not an issue today we can be fairly certain they are, and yet it is solution before there is any evidence they even exist! If you have never tried any alternatives (less toxic) you should take your own advise. P-A-M is not something you should put on your snake either. It should be the last resort treatment after failure of others, it is a serious chemical. Perhaps you should do some research on what a snake mites are and how they behave before putting your foot in your mouth.

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(without wives tales and home made solutions).

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I hate when someone that has no experince with a topic chimes in and contradicts someone who actually has used the products.

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OP doesn't look like there are any mites.

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that 9 dollar Petco stuff does not work well
belive whoever you want

tboman just like to say the opposite of what ever I do,instead of reading just running his mouth

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Tell that to everybody who has been using the stuff successfully longer than you've been keeping snakes. Why do you feel the need to mention the price? Are you assuming that just because it's cheap and you can go to the store and buy it without having to wait two weeks, that it's ineffective? Or maybe that it's dangerous because it says not to get it in the snake's mouth or eyes? If that's the case I strongly urge you to go into your bathroom and read a label on any of your shower gels or shampoos. Maybe you should stop showering, ya know? Could be dangerous.

The reason I say the opposite of what you do the majority of the time is because well, frankly I feel that you're giving terrible advice. You're still new to keeping snakes yourself. Every post of yours that I respond to, I do read carefully. And I wouldn't respond if I didn't truly disagree with something that you said or did.

No reason to hijack this thread, I just needed to get that out there.

I personally don't like spraying anything on or near my snake, with the exception of water. I'm not saying sprays do or don't work, I just prefer not to use them. If she doesn't have mites and is still soaking, check humidity. If humidity is fine, check to make sure your temperatures aren't too high. If everything is normal, no mites, good humidity and temperatures, there is a possibility your snake just likes the water. Also, keep an eye out to see if her eyes are blue, or if she's going into shed . If you have an under tank heater in your tank, I would suggest removing it and seeing if the soaking activity persists.