Sugar....calico

Is it the same gene? I just saw a pic of an amazing calibee and need to know because if it is i am making some when my sugar girl gets to size

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...6844e77984.jpg

I think it's like banana and coral glow. Pretty much the same thing, just called different. Sugar and calico do the same thing and react the same when combined with assorted genes (a caliders looks the same as a sugar spider, and a super pastel calico has the same noisy static that the super pastel sugar has).

Thanks. So basically different gene that does the same thing.

Well here is hoping for a super sugar bee in 2 years

Is there a super sugar?

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Originally Posted by andyroof1979

Is there a super sugar?

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My girl thinks she's pretty super (and I agree)! :gj:
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s...F-169small.jpg

Ours does toohttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...6215babd2a.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...78d4e274f1.jpg

Not in the traditional sense, no. In theory there should be a homozygous form, but speculation says it doesn't look any different than the regular form. If it exists, no one has found it yet, and knowing how many people must be trying/have tried leads me to believe it's a simple dominant trait (traits?).

Sugar/calico question. ..

As hatchlings do they already have all the white they will have or do they develop more as they grow up?

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Originally Posted by CrazyPiston

Sugar/calico question. ..

As hatchlings do they already have all the white they will have or do they develop more as they grow up?

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As with pieds they have all the white they will get. Now the white does get whiter as they age, but you will not have a low white that transforms into a high white.

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Originally Posted by Eric Alan

My girl thinks she's pretty super (and I agree)! :gj:
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s...F-169small.jpg

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Eric, is your girl a nomal het for sugar? :gj:

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

Eric, is your girl a nomal het for sugar? :gj:

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sugar is not a recessive gene.

Essentially sugars and calicos are the same gene but different bloodlines and origins. Though there are some who believe they are 2 different genes. Mike Wilbanks has openly stated he believes this

I know I'm a little late to the Calico VS Sugar party but I read a pretty interesting article today from Mike Wilbanks on this very subject.

Read it and decide for yourself.
http://mikewilbanks.com/ballgame/201...ugars/#more-24

I've said they were different all along. I'll dig up my comparisons and research later though... Sorry for the lame post. I really did a ton of research and scoured plenty of pics... But yah, they're different. Subtly, but they are.

I too think they are different. I would say that Butter/Lesser, Banana/Coral Glow, and Mystic/Phantom are the pairs of the same genes. Whereas, Cinnamon/Black Pastel and Sugar/Calico are different genes. You have to look at the combinations to see these differences, and even then, some combinations look similar, but others look different. Those that look different, lead me to believe that they are different, even if it is only 1 or 2 combinations. With Cinnamon/Black Pastel, I think the Super Pastel combination with each gene shows that the two genes are different.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...trus-sterling/

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/silver-streak/

With Sugar/Calico, look at Pastel Mojave combination with each gene.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/pastave-sugar/

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...alico-pastave/

I'm sure there are better examples than I have pointed out, but these are just the first ones that come to my mind. I think that the bottom line is that if there is one combination that is notably different, then they are similar but separate genes.

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Originally Posted by Slowcountry Balls

I too think they are different. I would say that Butter/Lesser, Banana/Coral Glow, and Mystic/Phantom are the pairs of the same genes. Whereas, Cinnamon/Black Pastel and Sugar/Calico are different genes. You have to look at the combinations to see these differences, and even then, some combinations look similar, but others look different. Those that look different, lead me to believe that they are different, even if it is only 1 or 2 combinations. With Cinnamon/Black Pastel, I think the Super Pastel combination with each gene shows that the two genes are different.

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SOEMBODY GETS IT!!! :bow:!! I am on the same page as you man. That's basically what my argument towards them being different is about. They have subtle differences individually, but when you combo them, they definitely have a different look.

Here's 1 post I made on it...

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Originally Posted by h00blah

Sugars and calicos are very similar, but there are a few traits that are different, consistently. Remember, they won't all look exactly the same. Consistency is what separates them.

Sugars tend to have black backs and wide alien heads with no dots. This is a typical high quality sugar IMO. Obviously the highest white would be best.

Calicos tend to have thin alien heads with many dots and a banded pattern. The calicos seem to have a lot more highlighty orange along the pattern, typically near the tail. Again, not ALL calicos will look like this, but I've consistently seen calicos have these traits.

From what I've seen, calicos and sugars both throw random amounts of white, just like the pieds. If I find the thread that had some good pictures and info on them, I'll link you :gj:!

Here's my calico (low/medium white):
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...96306dcbbc.jpg

Notice the thin bands and lots of dots. Also notice that she is definitely not a black back lol.

Here's a clutchmate that sold too quickly :P..
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...011551533a.jpg

Bright orange trim, lots of dots, however, he expresses the blackback trait.

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There's also another older post with pics (post #6):
http://www.captivebredreptileforums....vs-calico.html