looking for adult scaleless head pictures.

everything is in the title, i would like to see different pictures of scaleless head adult. specially the low expression one as it s seems to be random about the number of scales missing. thanks

very few people have them and I doubt they will post any pics here.

yeah, that s sad for the hobby .... money talks first

I'm not sure what money has to do with it but there are plenty of photos out there. There are a few breeders that have posted pictures so you can go to their Facebook page or website...Brock Wagner, Mike Wilbanks and/or Winston Smith.

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yeah, that s sad for the hobby .... money talks first

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What's sad? Money? I'm so confused what money has to do with the lack of photos on here of a very new and specific morph.

As mentioned, there are a few breeders who have posted pictures already - go find them. They don't generally have time to come onto forums to post photos because they're busy taking care of hundreds, if not thousands, of animals.

i didn t see any adult pictures of a scaleless head

i mean i went to Brock wagner, BHB, NERD, WHS web sites and no adult pictures of scaleless head . Maybe on Face Book but the access is forbidden from China so i will be please to see head shots here if someone can find some. thanks

The adult heads are going to look like the young ones. Just bigger. Just pointing out facts not trying to be rude. No one has posted any adult pics of them and I doubt many pics of the scale less will ever be posted either.
Will be cool to see some scale less morphs and see how bright the colors will be, but it is something I will never work with. Way to delicate of a snake. Along with that and its features I am turned off by that project.

Not to hijack the thread, but since we're on the subject, what exactly is the deal with scaleless head. Like could I get one occurring from breeding normals (normals for convenience and cost of this idea)? I realize that the odds would be slim but would it be possible?
And why haven't anyone with 100% scaleless bred them to other morphs? I'd love to see a scaleless pastel or banana.


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possible? maybe not not probable at allm as to why the scale less has not been crossed with much is because they were just produced last year.

I know Jason Amos post pics of his scaleless head. I saw a pic just the other day of it locking a female.

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Not to hijack the thread, but since we're on the subject, what exactly is the deal with scaleless head. Like could I get one occurring from breeding normals (normals for convenience and cost of this idea)? I realize that the odds would be slim but would it be possible?
And why haven't anyone with 100% scaleless bred them to other morphs? I'd love to see a scaleless pastel or banana.


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A scaleless head to a normal could make more scaleless heads, 50% chance. If you are asking if you can get a scaleless head from breeding two normals, no. BHB is the only person with a scaleless and he made them last year, he has some scaleless head combos, give the project time.

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A scaleless head to a normal could make more scaleless heads, 50% chance. If you are asking if you can get a scaleless head from breeding two normals, no. BHB is the only person with a scaleless and he made them last year, he has some scaleless head combos, give the project time.

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Well you have to figure that it occurred from two random ball pythons. He had one scaleless head and his connection in Africa said they found another one. He bought that one and then bred them. It's not like the scaleless heads just crawled from the ground out of nothing, so wouldn't it be possible that some, if very few, snakes have this gene?


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Well you have to figure that it occurred from two random ball pythons. He had one scaleless head and his connection in Africa said they found another one. He bought that one and then bred them. It's not like the scaleless heads just crawled from the ground out of nothing, so wouldn't it be possible that some, if very few, snakes have this gene?


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All of Brian scaleless heads came from the same orginal animal. While the other lines came from different wild caught animals, they haven't actually produced a scaleless. They could all originate from the same mutated animal and some could even be mistaken for injured animals. I wouldn't be surprised to see more new lines of scale less come up. And it's understandable how they could be from the same orginal wild animal

But as far of the chance of getting a scaleless out of normals, you want to find out what the rate of mutation is and then you have to mutate the one gene out of multi thousand of genes and mutate it in a way that replicates the scaleless head. I can say your chances are as close to not gonna happen as it gets.

Not adults, but you get the idea...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...75fe60420a8d53

http://www.whsreptiles.com/wp/wp-con...io_scaless.jpg

https://41.media.tumblr.com/291e6eb4...lwhmo1_500.png

thanks ricky, nice picture. To make myself clear , i have a male which could a scaleless head. i put him on 4 females got 2 ovi already, the scales are messy on it s head but it s color is also very odd: electric yellow and have 3 black patches paradox like where some scales are odds. but it s not due to scares or infection. head scales presents too big or too tiny. send me your e mail if you want some pictures. your opinion interest me. But any way i will have a definitive answer around 15 th june.

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thanks ricky, nice picture. To make myself clear , i have a male which could a scaleless head. i put him on 4 females got 2 ovi already, the scales are messy on it s head but it s color is also very odd: electric yellow and have 3 black patches paradox like where some scales are odds. but it s not due to scares or infection. head scales presents too big or too tiny. send me your e mail if you want some pictures. your opinion interest me. But any way i will have a definitive answer around 15 th june.

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why not just post the pictures here?

i m in china i can t upload pictures to abroad

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i m in china i can t upload pictures to abroad

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Interesting, I know very little of china's Internet laws, but if you can email them, If you want you can email to me and I can upload them with your permission, owalreptiles@gmail.com

i m doing it know , thanks for your time to post them on the forum for me

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i m in china i can t upload pictures to abroad

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Yes.... you can!?

please teach me how. each time i did the pictures doesn t appear

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please teach me how. each time i did the pictures doesn t appear

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Can you make an account on this website -> http://imgur.com/

If so, you should be able to just upload the pictures from there and paste the link it makes.

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please teach me how. each time i did the pictures doesn t appear

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你是中国人吗？ http://postimage.org 在中国可以。

http://postimg.org/image/l7gfsb1x9/

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thank you both , i figure out how to post it!!!! so happy 8 years that i didnt find out how to do it. the picture of the male with different girls : het. russo, lemon pastel, bumblebee (exclusively bred to him), and my beautiful spider which might hide something as well : super orange and belly totally yellow orangish.

for info the closest picture to its true color is the one with the lemon pastel. all pictures have been taken with i phone 4

You're almost there. Right now you're just posting the link to the picture. When you post a picture, click on the little square box that has a tree inside and put the URL of the photo in there in order to put the photo directly on the website.

http://postimg.org/image/gkzipdenr/

http://postimg.org/image/6xeko0a3v/

[IMG]http://s1.postimg.org/6xeko0a3v/mmex...5698360345.jpg[/IMG] this is the boy

sorry not a scaleless head

Here ya go:
http://s22.postimg.org/xeornlx8h/mme...5698359343.jpg
http://s11.postimg.org/jiy87nz3n/mme...5698359552.jpg
http://s22.postimg.org/o0nfhk6f5/mme...5698359765.jpg
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http://s21.postimg.org/5eap7w5t3/mme...5698360345.jpg
http://s23.postimg.org/adq8g0e7v/mme...5698360574.jpg
http://s7.postimg.org/aomqzmovv/mmex...5698360743.jpg

I see no indication of it being a scaleless head. The different size scaleless look more like an injury that healed up, I bought an adult albino female that has them all over her, i'm guessing hers were from a rat. However the spot on the side looks like a paradox spot which is pretty cool.

How long have you had the male? Sadly it is not a scaleless head. Just healed scales from an injury as stated already.
Also not sure if he is a pastel or not, looks like he could be......
He does look like he has lost his color at one time. He looks pretty old and has the look of having lost his color and that it is coming back. The dark spot on the side that looks paradox is also common when the color returns to ball pythons that have lost color. Damaged scales can also grow back with that dark look.

This is the second post in the past week or so of people thinking/hoping they snagged a scaleless head from an unwitting dealer. I've only seen 2 ever offered for sale, they were $50,000 each. The few people who have them are not going to make the mistake of selling them for $100. You have a better chance of winning the lotto every week for a year than you do of that happening!

i got that snake for his colors, head stamp and 3 paradox patches. i just saw the messy scales. Many members mention the damaged scales but for me its not. i have another snake that i rescue with a heavy burn on the head and the new scales look much thick than normal : that snake got his injury 3 years and a half before and i guess my new boy is not even that old. on the other hand what tessadasexotic mention is very interesting : an hormonal lost of color and the dark patches are showing its color to come back. As i said i waiting clutches from him so i will keep an update.

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This is the second post in the past week or so of people thinking/hoping they snagged a scaleless head from an unwitting dealer. I've only seen 2 ever offered for sale, they were $50,000 each. The few people who have them are not going to make the mistake of selling them for $100. You have a better chance of winning the lotto every week for a year than you do of that happening!

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It is fun to dream and hope for the current "1st Prize" in our hobby though.


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not all damaged scales look the same from snake to snake just like not all scars look the same on humans. each injury heals differently on each animal. what you have is without a doubt damaged scales.

thanks for your comments, i will keep that topic updated in a liitle more than 3 months babies should be here

For references, I got you a screenshot off of a Snakebytes episode where Brian showed one of his scaleless heads;

http://i.imgur.com/xEani2X.png

This snake is from BHB, you can search "Scaleless ball python" on youtube and find the couple episodes where the scaleless heads are shown

I don't know if you're able to google pictures, but here's a scaleless head from http://pythonregius.com/
You can see it closely in this picture... hahah

As you can see, the scaleless parts are smooth and of a different texture... kind of like rubber or skin. The scales also kind of fade away into the scaleless parts. If you compare this look to your ball python, yours clearly still has scales covering his entire head- just odd and misshapen scales from maybe an injury, as previously stated.

http://pythonregius.com/images/produ...Head0462WM.jpg

nice screen shot, this scaleless head looks a bit older. very interseting. the second picture is from Mike wilbanks and is a baby snake, noway to compare texture or scales position as they will evolute and superpose the missing ones .