What morph is this?

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I'm still new to the world of BP morphs, but my guess is Fire.
Beautiful snake, whatever it is! :gj:

Nice morph, whatever it is, it is a beauty!


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Thanks! I've been told it could be a firebelly, fire, yellow belly, pastel.....


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Unless you bought it as a morph, Im gonna say normal.

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Nope, sold as a morph. And he's definitely not a normal, I'm not sure if you can tell or not in the pics but he's very yellow along his spine, and has lots of flaming on his sides, like in the pics.


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I'm confused, so it was sold to you as a "morph" without any other info?? I suppose it could be a fire or a vanilla, but to say definitively that he is definitely not a normal your going to need some genetic info on the snake. Based on the fact that you didn't get any and clearly the seller doesn't know much I would wager a guess that it is a nice light normal.

I see fire but better pics would help and knowing what morph it was sold as will also help

No fire there. No YB either. Oh and I don't see vanilla. Unless it's a super subtle morph like a mocha, I think you got yourself a normal :gj:.

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No fire there. No YB either. Oh and I don't see vanilla. Unless it's a super subtle morph like a mocha, I think you got yourself a normal :gj:.

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I agree. I was thinking pastel at first, but the more I look at the head the less I think so. Some better pictures of the whole snake and the head in better lighting might show what I'm not seeing, but otherwise looks like a pretty normal.

I love threads like this one .... just off to get some popcorn ....

No fire there. No vanilla either. If you bought it is a "morph" but the person selling it couldn't even tell you what "morph" it was, then it's a normal.

Geeze! I hate people sometimes. One, who in the world buys a snake that is a "morph" without knowing what "morph" it's supposed to be. Second, what kind of unscrupulous jerk sells a normal to some dumb sap by claiming it's a "morph".

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I had a dime for every time someone posted a picture of their normal saying, "It doesn't look like a normal so it has to be a morph" I'd be as rich as Donald Trump! Why is it so hard for people to comprehend if you had a group of 10,000 normals at least 9,500 of them "wouldn't look like a normal" That STILL does not make them anything but a normal. Just like if you had 5,000 mojaves. No two would look exactly alike but NONE would look like a normal. Or if you had a group of 5,000 spiders. No two would be exactly the same but NOT ONE would look like a normal. Normal ball pythons, just like at least half of the morphs out there come in a wide range of color variation and pattern variation, but they are STILL normals.

Only a fool goes out and spend money on a snake that is labeled a "morph". How may snakes do you think NERD or Ralph Davis sells that they call a "morph" ?? Ben Rennick can tell you all 8 genes in one of his ball pytohns, but he still doesn't call it a "morph". He can tell you what it's parents were, what it's grandparents were and possibly even it's great grandparents. But not one of his snakes is labeled a "morph". If you want a Fire, you don't go buying a random snake someone says they think is a morph. You go to a breeder who says, "This baby is a fire. It's mom is a fire and it's dad is a pastel. It's grandmother is a yellowbelly and it's gradfather is a super fire. It has a firefly sibling, a firebelly sibling, 2 fire siblings and a firefly yellowbelly sibling."

That snake is a normal. Period. No fire, no vanilla, no yellowbelly, sure as heck no firebelly or any other true morph. And if you had a lick of sense you'd know that. Anyone with any sense at all who wants to buy a morph ball python first learns what morph they like, be it fire, pastel, spider, lesser, mojave, cinnamon or whatever. Then they talk to reputable breeders and study their photographs, they go to World of Ball Pytohns and study their photographs, they go to a few shows and talk to even more breeders and look at live examples of their chosen snake, and then, when they know exactly what it is they are looking for, they start shopping for it. They say, "this fire has a lot of blushing, but isn't very high yellow, while that one over there is super high yellow and has great flames, even if it doesn't have a lot of blushing. Now wait just a minute! This fire is insane! Look at that ridiculous yellow coloring! Have you ever seen so much blushing before?! Holy cow the belly flames on that thing!! Sure it's $100 more than the other two, but DANG you'll never see another like it in a million years!! I'm going to contact the breeder and buy her!"

They do not say," Check this out! I got this snake for next to nothing but the dude says it's a morph! No, no, he said it's a morph! I don't know. But it might be a fire, or a pastel, or a yellowbelly, or a purple polka dotted champagne. But it is a morph. The dude said so."

I wish you and your normal all the best, I really do. But calling that snake a morph, no matter how many times you do it, doesn't make it a morph.

Gale

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No fire there. No vanilla either. If you bought it is a "morph" but the person selling it couldn't even tell you what "morph" it was, then it's a normal.

Geeze! I hate people sometimes. One, who in the world buys a snake that is a "morph" without knowing what "morph" it's supposed to be. Second, what kind of unscrupulous jerk sells a normal to some dumb sap by claiming it's a "morph".

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I had a dime for every time someone posted a picture of their normal saying, "It doesn't look like a normal so it has to be a morph" I'd be as rich as Donald Trump! Why is it so hard for people to comprehend if you had a group of 10,000 normals at least 9,500 of them "wouldn't look like a normal" That STILL does not make them anything but a normal. Just like if you had 5,000 mojaves. No two would look exactly alike but NONE would look like a normal. Or if you had a group of 5,000 spiders. No two would be exactly the same but NOT ONE would look like a normal. Normal ball pythons, just like at least half of the morphs out there come in a wide range of color variation and pattern variation, but they are STILL normals.

Only a fool goes out and spend money on a snake that is labeled a "morph". How may snakes do you think NERD or Ralph Davis sells that they call a "morph" ?? Ben Rennick can tell you all 8 genes in one of his ball pytohns, but he still doesn't call it a "morph". He can tell you what it's parents were, what it's grandparents were and possibly even it's great grandparents. But not one of his snakes is labeled a "morph". If you want a Fire, you don't go buying a random snake someone says they think is a morph. You go to a breeder who says, "This baby is a fire. It's mom is a fire and it's dad is a pastel. It's grandmother is a yellowbelly and it's gradfather is a super fire. It has a firefly sibling, a firebelly sibling, 2 fire siblings and a firefly yellowbelly sibling."

That snake is a normal. Period. No fire, no vanilla, no yellowbelly, sure as heck no firebelly or any other true morph. And if you had a lick of sense you'd know that. Anyone with any sense at all who wants to buy a morph ball python first learns what morph they like, be it fire, pastel, spider, lesser, mojave, cinnamon or whatever. Then they talk to reputable breeders and study their photographs, they go to World of Ball Pytohns and study their photographs, they go to a few shows and talk to even more breeders and look at live examples of their chosen snake, and then, when they know exactly what it is they are looking for, they start shopping for it. They say, "this fire has a lot of blushing, but isn't very high yellow, while that one over there is super high yellow and has great flames, even if it doesn't have a lot of blushing. Now wait just a minute! This fire is insane! Look at that ridiculous yellow coloring! Have you ever seen so much blushing before?! Holy cow the belly flames on that thing!! Sure it's $100 more than the other two, but DANG you'll never see another like it in a million years!! I'm going to contact the breeder and buy her!"

They do not say," Check this out! I got this snake for next to nothing but the dude says it's a morph! No, no, he said it's a morph! I don't know. But it might be a fire, or a pastel, or a yellowbelly, or a purple polka dotted champagne. But it is a morph. The dude said so."

I wish you and your normal all the best, I really do. But calling that snake a morph, no matter how many times you do it, doesn't make it a morph.

Gale

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^^^ ... Did your puppy just die or something?? Lighten up a lil cause your sounding like a really big a$$ right now ...

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I'm still thinking fire it's got a nice light Carmel color like my flame but to know for sure could you post a pic that shows The whole top of the snake

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^^^ ... Did your puppy just die or something?? Lighten up a lil cause your sounding like a really big a$$ right now ...

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Harshness aside, it's true though. even if it is a fire or vanilla or whatever, why does it matter unless you're going to breed it? And if you're planning on breeding the snake, how are you gonna sell it's offspring, will you market them as "morphs" as well, or are you going to stake your reputation on them being "possibly fires maybe idk?"

I was just trying to be nice with my fire/vanilla option. It is 99.999% a normal based on the story and pictures provided. Fact is Angllady2 just said what i was thinking. Im trying to be more calm though cause most ball python owners are uneducated with the BP world yet they all have computers.

Gale went in lol ..

But to the op im confused on y u asking if it's a morph ? What was it sold to u as?

Yes I did go off the deep end a little bit, but I am also sick and tired of it. Day in and day out and day in and day out and day in and day out, "This doesn't look like a normal so it has to be a morph, right?"

If you want a BP morph, have the sense enough to know what morph you want and what it looks like. If you don't care what color it is as long as it is a ball python, then don't come here asking what morph it is. Unless the breeder told you it is a specific morph and you have looked at pictures and live examples of said morph and you are concerned because the snake you bought online and had shipped to you and you've never seen it in person before and now you think the breeder may have pulled the wool over your eyes and sent you something you did not want, there is no need to ask what morph it is. You should know before you buy it, and if you don't have sense enough to do that, well that's your problem.

A true breeder or even a very conscientious pet owner will ALWAYS know what their snake is before selling it or giving it away. If a prospective seller can't give you anything more specific than, "It's a morph" then you should run like hell in the other direction. Plain and simple. Unless of course, you just want a pet ball python and don't really care what color it is. In which case your post should be along the lines of, "See the cool BP I got for a pet?" And if several people tell you hey that's a nice _____! Then that is a bonus for you.

Everyone laughs at the Craigslist ads that have a normal listed as a het spider or something else ridiculous, but if someone is foolish enough to buy that ball python believing it might actually be het for spider, it isn't funny. Anyone who wants to keep a BP as a pet should know there is no such thing, and if you don't, you aren't in any position to own one. No one would go out and get a dog without knowing what kind it is. Can you imagine someone saying, "I just got a dog. I don't know what kind it is, it's a dog. It's black and brown and white, with a white patch over it's eye and white feet." That just described at least 3 dozen different breeds of dog. The idea is silly at best. So why would anyone buy a BP and then say, "I don't know what kind it is. It's a ball python morph. It's brown and black with a white belly and flames on it's side and a light colored head." Guess what ? That also just described 3 dozen different BP morphs as well as 99.9999% of all normals. And that is just as silly.

Gale

Actually, I know what morph he is and just haven't shared it. If you must know, he's a pastel. I was asking your guys opinions because I'm constantly getting told that he looks like a fire, or a yellow belly, or something else. I didn't buy him for his morph though, I just thought he had the best personality. I'm not trying to say he's something he's not.. I just wanted to know what you guys think when you first look at him. I research morphs quite a bit, but IMO fires, pastel, yellow bellies they all look very alike, with minor differences and it really depends on the genetics, which I don't know. Anyways, I didn't mean to offend anyone.


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Think you made some underwear uptight anyway, lol.

Could we nominate gale to replace peter griffin on the news segment "you know what grinds my gears?!" Trying to bring some levity to this thread

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Actually, I know what morph he is and just haven't shared it. If you must know, he's a pastel. I was asking your guys opinions because I'm constantly getting told that he looks like a fire, or a yellow belly, or something else. I didn't buy him for his morph though, I just thought he had the best personality. I'm not trying to say he's something he's not.. I just wanted to know what you guys think when you first look at him. I research morphs quite a bit, but IMO fires, pastel, yellow bellies they all look very alike, with minor differences and it really depends on the genetics, which I don't know. Anyways, I didn't mean to offend anyone.


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Sorry, but it's not a pastel either :(... That's a 100% nice normal.

That's no pastel

If he's not a pastel, then what is he? He was sold to me as a pastel. I honestly love the normals, but he just seems much lighter then a normal. He has yellows, tan and black, while a normal is much darker. I just fed him this morning but I will try to get some more pictures on Sunday.


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If he's not a pastel, then what is he? He was sold to me as a pastel. I honestly love the normals, but he just seems much lighter then a normal. He has yellows, tan and black, while a normal is much darker. I just fed him this morning but I will try to get some more pictures on Sunday.


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Sorry, but it's not a pastel either :(... That's a 100% nice normal.

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I agree definitely not a pastel. Most likely a normal since it was sold as a pastel, which was a lie. There is still a long shot that it might be a fire or a het and the seller didn't even know. Nobody on here is going to be able to confirm that though. The only way to know for sure would be to breed him, which I wouldn't do cause you would never be able to sell the babies.

Here's a picture that is basically an exact replica of him: http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...b9e32146ea.jpg
What morph would you say this is?


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That looks like a wilbanks pic and the snake in the pic u showed looks nothing like that .

Who did u get the snake from?

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Reptile specialty store.


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Is that a online place? Or a local place by u?
N where did that pic come from u posted that ur snake looks like

It's a local place. I just got the pic off of google...


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Yea more body shots of ur animal will help . But in all honesty it's def. Not a pastel n looks to be nothing more then a nice normal . But if they sold to u as a pastel I'd go back n tell them they have no clue what there doing also find out where they got the animal and what makes them say it's a pastel

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Yea more body shots of ur animal will help . But in all honesty it's def. Not a pastel n looks to be nothing more then a nice normal . But if they sold to u as a pastel I'd go back n tell them they have no clue what there doing also find out where they got the animal and what makes them say it's a pastel

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Actually the store is a really great place. They sell some cool stuff for amazing prices , they will educate you and the animals are wel looked after. They don't breed their own bps, so I can ask where they get them from. At the time I bought the snake the store was undergoing new management and was really busy. It's very possible that it was overlooked. They also do a lot more with small animals, like sugar gliders and hedgehogs so they are less concerned about the morph, but more the health of the animal.


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Please people can we stop feeding into this post. Everybody stop. Clearly this kid (oh god i hope your a kid) is just confused about a lot of things. At this point there is no point in continuing this post because he doesn't seem to be responsive to anybody's replies and is in his own world. Next person to play into this is a fart sniffer :)

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Actually the store is a really great place. They sell some cool stuff for amazing prices , they will educate you and the animals are wel looked after. They don't breed their own bps, so I can ask where they get them from. At the time I bought the snake the store was undergoing new management and was really busy. It's very possible that it was overlooked. They also do a lot more with small animals, like sugar gliders and hedgehogs so they are less concerned about the morph, but more the health of the animal.


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Ehh, if the person selling you failed to educate themselves on the "morphs" they're trying to sell, then I wouldn't want to learn anything from them.

It doesn't matter where they get their animals from, because if they purchased a snake that was sold to them as something else, then they failed to do the proper research as well.. I believe this is a point Angllady2 was trying to make. People need to research before they get themselves scammed, mislead, or incorrectly advised.

Whichever employee told you that you purchased a pastel clearly didn't even know the morph themself... Not people I'd go to for advice, because I wouldn't know which information they give me is actually correct?

sorry for being a fart-sniffer. :rolleyes:

Also the best way forward is for the owner / thread starter to post some better / clearer up to date .... full body photos of the Royal .

It's really no help to post photos of a snake that "looks" like yours ...

Well there's a bit more aggression here than I thought this warranted.

It's possible that the pictures could just be really poorly lit or low quality and we just can't see the color and blushing that would really make this snake look like a pastel. It's also possible you just have a normal with an interesting pattern that someone without much experience saw and falsely labeled a pastel. It happens, and at best you could take it back and say you want a different snake, but if it's only a pet then it doesn't matter, does it?

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Please people can we stop feeding into this post. Everybody stop. Clearly this kid (oh god i hope your a kid) is just confused about a lot of things. At this point there is no point in continuing this post because he doesn't seem to be responsive to anybody's replies and is in his own world. Next person to play into this is a fart sniffer :)

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I'm trying to be responsive, sorry if I'm not. Your right, I am confused. This snake was sold to me as a pastel, but I keep getting told he's not a pastel. I've been told that he's a fire, fire belly, yellow belly, vanilla, and now a normal. Do you see why I might be a little confused? And although I research morphs a fair bit, I'm still quite new to them.


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Also the best way forward is for the owner / thread starter to post some better / clearer up to date .... full body photos of the Royal .

It's really no help to post photos of a snake that "looks" like yours ...

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I am working on that... He just got fed this morning so unfortunately I can't get any more pictures of him until Sunday. I thought a similar pic might help, but if not that's fine.


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Something that would be helpful for me is if you guys posted some pictures of some "nice" normals because When I look at pictures of a normal, I'm just not seeing it.


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Well there's a bit more aggression here than I thought this warranted.

It's possible that the pictures could just be really poorly lit or low quality and we just can't see the color and blushing that would really make this snake look like a pastel. It's also possible you just have a normal with an interesting pattern that someone without much experience saw and falsely labeled a pastel. It happens, and at best you could take it back and say you want a different snake, but if it's only a pet then it doesn't matter, does it?

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Ehhh.... Aggression? I don't see any aggression.

I see the OP asking a question, and people answering. Then the OP asking more questions that have been answered in each response :confusd:... So people are answering again lol.

I'd like to see a body pic to see if there's anything interesting in the body pattern. It looks pretty cool from what little glances we get from the current photos, but of all the morphs being listed, it is not any of them.. The color is pretty easy to identify as not being a pastel from the OP's 3rd photo.

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I'm trying to be responsive, sorry if I'm not. Your right, I am confused. This snake was sold to me as a pastel, but I keep getting told he's not a pastel. I've been told that he's a fire, fire belly, yellow belly, vanilla, and now a normal. Do you see why I might be a little confused? And although I research morphs a fair bit, I'm still quite new to them.


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Didn't see this response.

There is no hard and fast rule for normals... Here's a thread with all the normals you could wrap your head around. You will quickly find they're quite variable!
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-are-Beautiful!

This might help

Gertie my normal normal
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...pstonelpsl.jpg

Gaia my nice normal - at least I think she's nice
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...psntk6baby.jpg


Nike my pastel
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...pswjawrbtu.jpg



http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...psp7bg9s3t.jpg

Sorry for terrible lighting but this might help you compare.

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Ehhh.... Aggression? I don't see any aggression.

I see the OP asking a question, and people answering. Then the OP asking more questions that have been answered in each response :confusd:... So people are answering again lol.

I'd like to see a body pic to see if there's anything interesting in the body pattern. It looks pretty cool from what little glances we get from the current photos, but of all the morphs being listed, it is not any of them.. The color is pretty easy to identify as not being a pastel from the OP's 3rd photo.

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Thankyou. I agree with you that it doesn't look like a pastel. But I also don't see normal?


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Didn't see this response.

There is no hard and fast rule for normals... Here's a thread with all the normals you could wrap your head around. You will quickly find they're quite variable!
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-are-Beautiful!

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Awesome thread, thankyou!


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Thankyou. I agree with you that it doesn't look like a pastel. But I also don't see normal?


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Well, it doesn't look like any known morph. So I mean, if you think it's interesting, and you think it may have some traits that are genetic, technically you could call it a "dinker". Dinker isn't a morph though, it's a term used to describe a snake that has traits you may want to "dink" around with and prove out. Best of luck :gj:!

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...2c0788b5e4.jpg this picture sort of shows his body patterns... Keep in mind he was just starting a shed cycle in this pic though.


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Well, it doesn't look like any known morph. So I mean, if you think it's interesting, and you think it may have some traits that are genetic, technically you could call it a "dinker". Dinker isn't a morph though, it's a term used to describe a snake that has traits you may want to "dink" around with and prove out. Best of luck :gj:!

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I do plan to possibly breed him in the future, so I will find out eventually.


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http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...2c0788b5e4.jpg this picture sort of shows his body patterns... Keep in mind he was just starting a shed cycle in this pic though.


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Not a pastel it's a fire I'm sure of it