QT one snake comes out 2 go in

I have been observing a new addition for any illness that may show up after we got home. Seems great clean and a eater he is. Took his first meal F/T (he came with about 30 large mice.) day after we got home then again on his 6th day. I'm confident he's health I saw the conditions he came from and he was a loved pet.
How long do YOU QT your new guys?
tonight I got a banana and a bumblebee and as the collection grows I'd feel horrible getting one snake sick but now I'm up to 7 I'm also concerned at cost of 7 RI treatments or mites. I sanitize with OCD like changing paper towels multiple times daily.disinfect prevent and I found new clear tubs I like so they are brand new then cleaned.
one more thing I keep the QT tub downstairs away from main snakes area. Is this overkill? I've already gone up and down like 10 times just to check on them

I usually do a 90 day quarantine for any reptiles.

This is mainly for colubrids though; I get the impression that QT for contrictors is a bit more intense so maybe it wouldn't take quite as long?

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Originally Posted by DVirginiana

I usually do a 90 day quarantine for any reptiles.

This is mainly for colubrids though; I get the impression that QT for contrictors is a bit more intense so maybe it wouldn't take quite as long?

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Wow, than I'm gonna go do some reading and research I am defiantly not an authority and havent got close from reading some threads.
how do you get a ready to breed female that QTs for 3 months? :tears:

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Originally Posted by Joe balls

Wow, than I'm gonna go do some reading and research I am defiantly not an authority and havent got close from reading some threads.
how do you get a ready to breed female that QTs for 3 months? :tears:

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lol I know you'd ideally QT all snakes in another room (I'm currently using my parents' house as QT since they are into snakes and have my old room free) but I know a lot of ppl who QT colubrids in the same room and just don't handle or use the same equipment. Of course I'm not aware of any really devastating diseases that can spread through a colubrid collection like they can with constrictors so the procedure may be different.

If I remember correctly, it is advised that you QT your animal for at least 30 days, though a lot of people I think would suggest 60-90 day QT. I personally do a 60 day QT with tending to the animal last when doing daily maintenance on my collection.

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Originally Posted by Joe balls

Wow, than I'm gonna go do some reading and research I am defiantly not an authority and havent got close from reading some threads.
how do you get a ready to breed female that QTs for 3 months? :tears:

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Don't take this the wrong way but I would be much more concerned about my animals health and well being over if one is ready to breed. If you got a new female ready to breed and have 7 snakes, think of it this way, you manage to breed that one female but now you got 7 snakes with RI or IBD and bam you just lost your set up if its IBD and if its RI, well then you are looking at probably around $1000+ to have them all checked out and treated and that's assuming your vet gives you a group discount. I don't breed yet but when/if I do, my main concern will be my collections well being over making a few bucks and since if I do breed, it will be for morphs I like and maybe want to add to my collection over turning a buck.

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Originally Posted by Joe balls

Wow, than I'm gonna go do some reading and research I am defiantly not an authority and havent got close from reading some threads.
how do you get a ready to breed female that QTs for 3 months? :tears:

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90 days minimum and to answer your question: You don't, not worth the risk to any of my animals.

If you add any animals to QT then the time starts over for everyone already there too.

There are diseases that can be present in animals for an indefinite period of time. Some animals are asymptomatic carriers of various viruses.

For garden variety stuff like mites, other external parasites and common bacterial infections, etc., 90 days is fine.

However, there are many diseases that affect all snakes that can go undetected during that period.

Bottom line: buy your snakes from reputable breeders. Do not buy your snakes from people who purchase large lots of animals from private breeders, do not buy snakes from anyone who has a large turnover of animals coming in and going out.

Reputable breeders? Well, just because someone is high profile, posts a lot on forums or has a fancy web page does not mean they are reputable. A reputable BREEDER is someone who has a fairly closed and STABLE collection of animals. A reputable breeder can provide you with records on each animal.

I've been doing this for thirty some years. Over that time probably 35 plus, mostly boas and pythons. And a few kings and milks. I like to think I know a little. But Skiploder, you definitely know you stuff. Hats off to you my man. And thanks to you, I know a little more. Sincerely. And I defiinitly agree about breeders.

I QT mine for a minimum of 90 days at someone else's house. I prefer to buy younger animals, breeder-direct is ideal, as there's more potential for older animals to have been exposed to more collections, and thus more chance for them to pick up a disease along the way.

If I do get an older critter it's from someone who has had it for a while and who has a great reputation. If it's a proven breeder female and it produced a clutch during the last season, I give her a year off to recover, as I only breed my girls every other year anyway.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Don't take this the wrong way but I would be much more concerned about my animals health and well being over if one is ready to breed. If you got a new female ready to breed and have 7 snakes, think of it this way, you manage to breed that one female but now you got 7 snakes with RI or IBD and bam you just lost your set up if its IBD and if its RI, well then you are looking at probably around $1000+ to have them all checked out and treated and that's assuming your vet gives you a group discount. I don't breed yet but when/if I do, my main concern will be my collections well being over making a few bucks and since if I do breed, it will be for morphs I like and maybe want to add to my collection over turning a buck.

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I meant in general how do people buy "ready to breed" as I've seen a lot sold this way. my new additions are only about 100 grams each but I thank you for your concern if that's what that was

I quarantine for 3 months and I buy from reputable breeders (I did not say big names) if I was to pickup animals from craigslist which I would never do that would be a whole other deal.

Once the 3 months have passed the animals are place in the main snake room however there is another 30 days before they are being paired (if breeder size) to any of my animals.

So 6 days? Yep that not a quarantine think that mites cycle only which can carry diseases is 30 days.

How important is quarantining versus being in a rush to breed http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=220629

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I meant in general how do people buy "ready to breed" as I've seen a lot sold this way. my new additions are only about 100 grams each but I thank you for your concern if that's what that was

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In my case, I'm just hoping the female's still receptive at the end of her QT.
If I had it my way the breeder (she was a holdback from a couple years prior) wouldn't have brumated prior to selling bc that put her most receptive time during QT, but genetically speaking she filled a gap in a breeding project I've been working on for about five years that was derailed by the death of my female last year, so we went with it even though she may not actually breed till next year.

idk if BPs are more or less finicky than garters though. From what I'm reading it seems like they may be. idk if you have to do anything (similar to brumating colubrids) to get them in the mood.

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How important is quarantining versus being in a rush to breed http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=220629

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I remember reading that thread a while ago. While it is a very long read filled with 11 pages of comments, the virus in the subject is called ball python nidovirus. the scientific details can be read here http://mbio.asm.org/content/5/5/e01484-14.full


And a video of someone who has had something like this happen to him and his collection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzw2M72Qmh4

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I quarantine for 3 months and I buy from reputable breeders (I did not say big names) if I was to pickup animals from craigslist which I would never do that would be a whole other deal.

Once the 3 months have passed the animals are place in the main snake room however there is another 30 days before they are being paired (if breeder size) to any of my animals.

So 6 days? Yep that not a quarantine think that mites cycle only which can carry diseases is 30 days.

How important is quarantining versus being in a rush to breed http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=220629

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Not in any rush to breed and not consolidating all my snake in one tub after 6 days. Like I said I'm gonna read cause the posts here are not my final dission making factor in anything.
I don't breed and don't understand if you like to find my posts cause you think I'm competition to you but I'm doing this with my two young daughters for cool pets. I just got two more snakes and realy considered putting water under the bridge and send my business your way be the bigger person and give you a chance. Sooo glad I didnt

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Not in any rush to breed and not consolidating all my snake in one tub after 6 days. Like I said I'm gonna read cause the posts here are not my final dission making factor in anything.
I don't breed and don't understand if you like to find my posts cause you think I'm competition to you but I'm doing this with my two young daughters for cool pets. I just got two more snakes and realy considered putting water under the bridge and send my business your way be the bigger person and give you a chance. Sooo glad I didnt

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Huh? That was helping in the most basic way. Take off your victim glasses and read it again. There is literally nothing there that implies what you responded so offensively to.

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How important is quarantining versus being in a rush to breed http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=220629

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I just read that whole thing. That is so sad. :tears:

Imagine that the second most condecending little helper chimse in
stalkers get a life or help someone else
You have no idea what has happened or said before and no possible reason to say something here but to try to get another thirty post thread of garbage

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Originally Posted by Joe balls

I meant in general how do people buy "ready to breed" as I've seen a lot sold this way.

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I've seen many snakes advertised as such. Sold? Not so much.

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I just read that whole thing. That is so sad. :tears:

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This is why I avoid "collection sales" and "getting out of the hobby" ads. The seller could be telling the truth, or he could be trying to dump everything and run before it starts blowing snot bubbles.

That post about the person losing their whole collection like that has me seriously freaked out now! Even though I have a box turtle and frogs, both of which can be pretty quickly eliminated by highly contagious virus or fungi, I'm just not used to thinking about snakes as such a disease-threat to my other animals! These crazy RI-type illnesses are a whole other ballgame from what I'm used to hearing about. Def. going to do some intense research on the seller before I buy my next BP (whenever that happens to be).

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Not in any rush to breed and not consolidating all my snake in one tub after 6 days. Like I said I'm gonna read cause the posts here are not my final dission making factor in anything.
I don't breed and don't understand if you like to find my posts cause you think I'm competition to you but I'm doing this with my two young daughters for cool pets so you can just stop pretending to helping in my posts by making yourself look like an b hole. I just got two more snakes and realy considered putting water under the bridge and send my business your way be the bigger person and give you a chance. Sooo glad I didnt

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Say what? :rolleyes::rofl:

Based on your classy answer it seems that you hold grudges because of disagreements or infraction or both sorry I can't help that, good thing I do not though.

You asked a question about QT I answered and provided exactly what you ask for and gave you an example of what happen when people are in a rush pretty much on topic I believe, but go ahead and do the name calling thing and tell me to be the bigger person it makes a whole lot of sense. :gj:

BTW might want to read the TOS too ;)

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I meant in general how do people buy "ready to breed" as I've seen a lot sold this way. my new additions are only about 100 grams each but I thank you for your concern if that's what that was

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Generally people buying "ready to breed" animals have to evaluate the risks. Colin Weaver has a good article about that on his website.

Basically you have to wonder why someone is selling it - is it sub-fertile, a problem eater, etc?

If, after looking at that, you still want the animal then you have to consider the quarantine. There are some people who will "risk" a breeding partner by placing it into quarantine with the animal. Most will not however and it is not uncommon for a breeding sized animal not to breed for a season or so after a change of location.

Personally I would wait until it has gone through QT and monitor it's appetite, body condition etc - if that means I miss the breeding season so be it.


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