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Regurgitated mouse!

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  • 01-27-2015, 11:58 PM
    LivingwithBalls
    Regurgitated mouse!
    My snake has regurgitated his mouse. It was because it was too big. What can I do to help him?


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  • 01-28-2015, 12:04 AM
    Joe balls
    Does he still look like he's strugling with something or did he get it all out? Should still be in on piece right?
  • 01-28-2015, 12:05 AM
    Ransack
    Is it a BP? Unless it's like 50-60 grams and you fed it a large adult breeder mouse, there shouldn't be a problem. What happened exactly where are your temps?
  • 01-28-2015, 12:25 AM
    Joe balls
    Ya digestion, more than choking on too big of bite. Unless it happened right when he swallowed it
  • 01-28-2015, 12:27 AM
    LivingwithBalls
    Re: Regurgitated mouse!
    Okay I'll give you guys the full story. I fed my 74 gram male ball python a 14 gram hopper mouse. ( the biggest he's ever had was 12 grams ) normally I feed him 8-10 gram hoppers, but this was right after a shed and I figured he'd be hungry plus I've given him bigger mice before. I fed him on Sunday it is now Tuesday. I gave him 50 hours to digest. He peed this morning and I handled him for about 30 minutes. I came home at around 5 pm and I found this: http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...9f04ed767e.jpg ( sorry about all the substrate sticking to it) half of it looks completely undigested and half looks like poop. The smell is terrible. I removed it right away and did some research. His temps are good, 90-93 hot side and low 80's cool side. I don't know what possibly could have gone wrong other than it being to large or going down the wrong way. I've also covered all sides of his tank so he can be completely stress free. Another thing I noticed is he is breathing a bit harder than usual. When should I feed again? I read 2 weeks. Also, when should I start handling again?


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  • 01-28-2015, 12:36 AM
    Joe balls
    The labored breathing is a concern and the mouse being partially digested means it made it to his stomache without blocking his airway so he's not choking on it.
    I'd ask same question in advanced husbandry and see if someone crusing that forum can help more. Hope all gets better
  • 01-28-2015, 12:57 AM
    LivingwithBalls
    Re: Regurgitated mouse!
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    Originally Posted by Joe balls View Post
    The labored breathing is a concern and the mouse being partially digested means it made it to his stomache without blocking his airway so he's not choking on it.
    I'd ask same question in advanced husbandry and see if someone crusing that forum can help more. Hope all gets better

    Okay thanks I will do that. The breathing concerns me too.


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  • 01-28-2015, 01:18 AM
    LivingwithBalls
    Re: Regurgitated mouse!
    If anyone else has advice please share!


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  • 01-28-2015, 01:35 AM
    tbowman
    I don't have much experience with this but this is what I would do.

    First address any husbandry issues that may be present (You're temperatures sound fine as long as they are being accurately measured. Make sure he has places to hide so he can feel secure) .

    Leave him alone for two weeks with minimal interaction (water changes,cleaning), then try and feed him again. When you feed him feed him a meal smaller than you would normally feed. If he regurges or vomits the next meal, seek the attention of a qualified vet in your area.

    I'm not totally sure what you mean about the breathing. When snakes are stressed/ feeling vulnerable, respiration seems to increase. You will most likely notice this if you lift the hide off of a sleeping snake and startle it. If there is wheezing or whistling present, or maybe a slight popping sound, don't hesitate to get him to a vet. Especially if you see any mucous / bubbles around the nose or mouth area.
  • 01-28-2015, 02:32 AM
    LivingwithBalls
    Re: Regurgitated mouse!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tbowman View Post
    I don't have much experience with this but this is what I would do.

    First address any husbandry issues that may be present (You're temperatures sound fine as long as they are being accurately measured. Make sure he has places to hide so he can feel secure) .

    Leave him alone for two weeks with minimal interaction (water changes,cleaning), then try and feed him again. When you feed him feed him a meal smaller than you would normally feed. If he regurges or vomits the next meal, seek the attention of a qualified vet in your area.

    I'm not totally sure what you mean about the breathing. When snakes are stressed/ feeling vulnerable, respiration seems to increase. You will most likely notice this if you lift the hide off of a sleeping snake and startle it. If there is wheezing or whistling present, or maybe a slight popping sound, don't hesitate to get him to a vet. Especially if you see any mucous / bubbles around the nose or mouth area.

    Thanks for the help. He's not making any noises just breathing faster, but it seems to have slowed down a bit. Just a question, why shouldn't I handle him?


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  • 01-28-2015, 02:50 AM
    Borgpython
    Leave him alone for a week or two then offer again, if he/she refuses that's fine, most likely still stressed out. In the meantime correct any husbandry errors if there are any and next time make sure the snake completely feels secure while eating.
    When feeding its recommended not to handle the snake a day before feeding and two days after feeding. The day before feeding is to make sure the snake is not stressed before, so it will eat the next day, this is specially if you have a picky eater. The two days of no handling after eating is to give it time to digest, specially after a giant meal. If you handle too soon while the snake is still bloated and feels vulnerable to attacks as it is slower, it will regurgitate to be more mobile and agile preparing for defense against attackers.

    But be sure to correct this as soon as possible because regurgitation really makes snakes feel completely terrible, weak, lethargic, no appetite, etc.

    About the fast breathing, wouldn't worry about it, you probably just have a nervous snake.
  • 01-28-2015, 03:09 AM
    LivingwithBalls
    Re: Regurgitated mouse!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Borgpython View Post
    Leave him alone for a week or two then offer again, if he/she refuses that's fine, most likely still stressed out. In the meantime correct any husbandry errors if there are any and next time make sure the snake completely feels secure while eating.
    When feeding its recommended not to handle the snake a day before feeding and two days after feeding. The day before feeding is to make sure the snake is not stressed before, so it will eat the next day, this is specially if you have a picky eater. The two days of no handling after eating is to give it time to digest, specially after a giant meal. If you handle too soon while the snake is still bloated and feels vulnerable to attacks as it is slower, it will regurgitate to be more mobile and agile preparing for defense against attackers.

    But be sure to correct this as soon as possible because regurgitation really makes snakes feel completely terrible, weak, lethargic, no appetite, etc.

    About the fast breathing, wouldn't worry about it, you probably just have a nervous snake.

    Thanks for the advice, he isn't generally a very nervous snake, so I think it must've been the size. Husbandry is good too. I figured the fast breathing was normal though, I mean if I just heaved up a soggy half digested mouse i would probably be breathing a bit faster too.


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  • 01-28-2015, 03:39 AM
    michaelt
    if you handle the snake it will stress him/her out more.
  • 01-28-2015, 07:07 AM
    AlexisFitzy
    Re: Regurgitated mouse!
    Do you feed live or f/t? If it was a f/t mouse was it thawed all the way out? If not this could be the reason for the regurg.
  • 01-28-2015, 10:43 AM
    bcr229
    Order some NutriBAC - you can get it at http://beanfarm.com/product_info.php...oducts_id=5933 It's a reptile probiotic that will help post-regurge at getting their gut flora re-established. Since you won't be feeding again for two weeks you'll have time to get it delivered to you.

    You're supposed to put it in the water but I don't as I rarely see my snakes drink, plus if it makes the water taste any different I don't want to discourage a compromised animal from drinking and then have to deal with dehydration on top of the regurge. I just dust a damp feeder with a tiny pinch of the powder.
  • 01-28-2015, 01:58 PM
    Joe balls
    I believed he recommended no handling to reduce any stress the snake might be feeling, if your heat is good the snake should be able to properly digest but he didn't digest so may be it is stress related and being left alone is the best way for the snake to "unstressed" it self by hiding and feeling safe.
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