Pets or wild animals?

When reading posts on this sight I seem to get the feeling there are two completely different ways of looking at these beautiful animals.
One is a almost clinical tending to the snakes needs to the letter and time scheduled to the minute in plain but very clean tubs only to come out for a meal so as to not stress. Like collecting baseball cards to be looked at and admired not touched
Two is more like a pet maybe in a decked out glass or plexi aquarium. Taking out the snake for handling and even going outside on a nice day getting to know its personality
i feel I'm a mix but maybe puts me out of both groups. I bought a pet store snake and all the zilla stuff I could find. After getting home doing more research I saw rack systems and thought that was a nice size so I could expand my collection so I have both now and 4 ball pythons from little guys to a full grown girl that give my food scale a err code on the screen. I like the ease of cleaning the tubs and it does exactly what it's supposed to. no water fountain or vines strictly function streamlined.
I like to handle my snakes often for a couple of reasons, with two young daughters the last thing I want is a strike and them be scared of snakes so to socialize them and also to exercise, I maybe way off base and get blasted for this but I let them explore if they want stretch and climb on things. I know in there tubs they can't get more vertical than the 8 or 10 inch tub.
Im not stupid and I expect I will be bit eventually and 50years of domestication will not erase millions of years of instinct but I do see a personality to these animals and even if it's only food associated love I'll take it

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50years of domestication

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Takes a lot longer to domesticate an animal :gj:

Kinda exactly what I said but if you wanna make me look dumb thanks for your input

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Takes a lot longer to domesticate an animal :gj:

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Depends on what kind of selection criteria is used. Foxes were domesticated in Russia in less than 50 years by being really selective in what ones were bred.

Any animal can bite domesticated or not.

But I don't consider an snake a domesticated animal. They are my pets but are still a wild animal IMO. I know they don't give two flips about me and can survive just fine without human help.

But I still care for them and enjoy handling them. They learn to tolerate us. Even some easy going wild snakes can be picked up and handled without much reaction. They quickly realize you aren't going to eat them then they are fine.

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Originally Posted by Joe balls

Kinda exactly what I said but if you wanna make me look dumb thanks for your input

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Seriously? If that is what I meant I would just say so believe me, you might want to stop putting words in people's mouth or interpret something where there is nothing to be interpreted. :gj:

Why does there need to be a distinction between the two?

Snakes kept in racks with clean tubs and on-point husbandry doesn't indicate any less appreciation for these animals any more than having a full display setup with all the bells and whistles indicates more appreciation.

To use your analogy, I'm sure many card collectors would love to display every single one of their prized cards individually for the world to see. However, due to space constraints, many of them are stored on a shelf in 3-ring binders and taken out to show off whenever the moment arises. It certainly doesn't mean that the cards hold any less value to their collector.

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If your post was not ment to be inflammatory it didn't need to be said at all. was it just an echo of my last statement? And your defensive post after was just another backhanded statement to make you feel good about yourself

grow up mod

I think there's a big difference between a 'tame' animal and a domesticated animal. I used to have a pet possum that was pretty tame, and the way he acted reminds me of the way most snakes do; they're fine until something new or 'scary' happens, then they immediately revert back to acting on instinct where a cat or dog might look to you for help.

I do wonder how genetically different BPs generally are from their wild counterparts though. I know they're not TOO different, but it'd be interesting to know.

Joe balls,

stop it mate.

I have been a while on this site and Deborah is one of those persons i found to be among the most helpful on this forum

I am sure she didnt meant any offence on her first post and she sure as hell was given a reason by your reply to her to defend her self in her second

Their are some people that talk and exchange valid views here then then are people that hang out to troll so take it how you want nothing useful was said and it was only meat to contradict what I had said even though it was the same view I had expressed if she had only read closer.
And the smart ass emoji at the end made the sentiment clear,I think I'm smarter than you :colbert:

ARBallMorphs has a "brown nose" along with a lot of other people here :weirdface:weirdface

realy?

a brown nose... first time i ever got accused of that, hmm.

ah well i guess it takes time to get used to new things.


that being said, i do not really understand why the insult?

did i insult anyone? no i didnt.
did i say something wrong? i think i did not.

and then you albino_rule, i remember us having a convo at a way friendlier tone.... ah well.

enough words have been said.

best of luck you

he commented on your post the same as you did mine. Why is he out of line for pointing out your nonsense

Please continue on the orignal post I wrote if you'd like

not entirely trough now is it?

I only said i was convinced she didnt mean any offence. yet he insults me...

but like i said enough words have been said.

i don't know much about the domestication off BP's as well most of them seem to be very easy and would rather ball up or try to get away then strike.

i have seen with Reticulated Pythons though that character of the parrents does seem to show in their offspring, meaning breeding 2 doggy tame retics would result in mostly easy to handle babies.

but having that said the people from Prehistoric Pets also seem to think some characteristics are bound to some morphs as some morphs seem to be less easy to handle.


hope this was of any help if not just forget it :)

There's a weird amount of aggression here for this topic.

Reptiles don't domesticate like mammals do, so it isn't a matter of if they are or are not domesticated. I don't think anyone treats their snakes like "wild animals", even those who have wild caught snakes (most reptiles can be tamed with enough handling, wild caught or captive bred). As for treatment, no one can deny they're living animals and deserve to be treated as such, and I personally can't imagine having to restrain myself from casual handling of my snakes (I have 9 with plans to get more). Obviously in a breeding collection you can't think of every snake you own as a pet, just imagine the trauma of trying to sell any or having to make rack space. I would argue that anyone with a breeding collection falls into the middle ground, since neither of the others make sense, though people with just one or two might think of them exclusively as pets.

Awwwww that was no insult..trust me I can do much better than that if I wish, but sorry you got (_I_) hurt .......:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Really? You just keep going at it?


i know enough.

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Originally Posted by albinos_rule

ARBallMorphs has a "brown nose" along with a lot of other people here :weirdface:weirdface

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Originally Posted by albinos_rule

Awwwww that was no insult..trust me I can do much better than that if I wish, but sorry you got (_I_) hurt .......:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I'll be your huckleberry......
Remember YOU chose to come here, what you choose next is not just up to you.

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That's just my game! Haha

Every time I hear huckleberry berry I think of tombstone. Haha Val Kilmer should have gotten an Oscar nomination just from the "I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game" line alone. Awesome movie

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Originally Posted by se7en

as long as the patriots lose, i think we'll all be ok :D

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Originally Posted by Johnk

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