Feeding

So, I FINALLY (after 7 months) got monty to eat f/t. Success!! My only concern is that when they thaw, they become wet, and substrate sticks to them. I know a small amount of substrate is no buggy, but the rat I fed today (100g) was completely covered in substrate (even after drying it off), perhaps the substrate was wet itself? Any suggestions?

Put the f/t on a piece of newspaper or a paper towel outside of the hide


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Buy small paper plates and use those.

I completely thaw my feeders at room temperature then super heat them with a hairdryer. They're never wet with this method.

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Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy

I completely thaw my feeders at room temperature then super heat them with a hairdryer. They're never wet with this method.

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This is the way I do it too. I hate wet rats. I used to use the hot water method and even if you put them in a plastic baggy they would still end up soaking wet. So just thaw at room temp and heat with a hair dryer and problem solved :)

Place a lace doily under the prey item. Provide him with a cloth napkin when done.

I used to use silver platters but they are cost prohibitive.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

Place a lace doily under the prey item. Provide him with a cloth napkin when done.

I used to use silver platters but they are cost prohibitive.

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You're certainly on a roll tonight! :colbert2:

Here is how I do it, and rodent doesn't get wet...Put the rodent to be thawed in a ziplock bag, and submerge it in hot water until sufficently thawed...and ta-da~~~ No wet rodents :gj:

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Originally Posted by albinos_rule

Here is how I do it, and rodent doesn't get wet...Put the rodent to be thawed in a ziplock bag, and submerge it in hot water until sufficently thawed...and ta-da~~~ No wet rodents :gj:

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Thats what I did when I fed the other day, and when it thawed the bag had a bunch of water in it. Almost like he was frozen wet.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

Place a lace doily under the prey item. Provide him with a cloth napkin when done.

I used to use silver platters but they are cost prohibitive.

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You're quite the smartass aren't you?

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Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy

I completely thaw my feeders at room temperature then super heat them with a hairdryer. They're never wet with this method.

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I will have to go get a new blow dryer. I live in a house full of women and I never know where it is.

I always thaw my rats in a sealed zip lock bag and the rats are never wet. Either the rats were frozen wet to begin with, or there is water getting into the bag through a hole.

This is why I hate f/t. It takes long time to thaw, not as fresh as live and I always have to reheat them before feed rats to snakes.
However, swallowing substrate can`t be any issue for them since they can even digest horns in the wild.

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Originally Posted by dek593

This is why I hate f/t. It takes long time to thaw, not as fresh as live and I always have to reheat them before feed rats to snakes.
However, swallowing substrate can`t be any issue for them since they can even digest horns in the wild.

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It's not an issue...however it's entertaining to see the lengths people will go to avoid something that isn't an issue.

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Originally Posted by dek593

This is why I hate f/t. It takes long time to thaw, not as fresh as live and I always have to reheat them before feed rats to snakes.
However, swallowing substrate can`t be any issue for them since they can even digest horns in the wild.

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I fed live for the last 7 months, and the live rats we fed him (same size as the frozen) he would strike and coil, but too far back, which would cause the rat to bite Monty. So we switched to large mice, and we were feeding him 3, but once he ate one, he wouldn't strike at the second until the next day. So he would be already digesting the previous mouse by the time he got the second, and he got stuck in feed mode. I've also heard of snakes suffocating because they inhaled substrate that got stuck to their noses while striking. And it getting balled up in their throats and choking. So yes, it is a concern

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Originally Posted by MontyAndMelissa

I've also heard of snakes suffocating because they inhaled substrate that got stuck to their noses while striking. And it getting balled up in their throats and choking. So yes, it is a concern

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:rolleyes:

You know how a snake breathes - correct?

Explain to me how choking works with regards to snakes...then re-read what you wrote and reconcile that with what you "heard".

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

:rolleyes:

You know how a snake breathes - correct?

Explain to me how choking works with regards to snakes...then re-read what you wrote and reconcile that with what you "heard".

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You are aware that even though airways and throats are separate, if the throat is blocked enough to create a large bulge and it is stuck that way for an extended period of time, it can cause the surrounding blood vessels to swell, and then block the airway. Next you're going to tell me snakes don't have blood vessels?

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

:rolleyes:

You know how a snake breathes - correct?

Explain to me how choking works with regards to snakes...then re-read what you wrote and reconcile that with what you "heard".

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Generally if a prey item is too large, the snake will regurgitate it. When it comes to substrate they will generally regurgitate and spit out as much as they can. I know it's not a major concern for you, but considering I only have the one snake currently I would like to take the best care of him as I can. And I don't particularly want him getting substrate stuck in his throat, especially wet substrate. If you don't have a serious answer, don't comment. I'm not in the mood for mindless banter back and forth when you are obviously uneducated and are simply on this site to troll people. Good day.

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Originally Posted by MontyAndMelissa

Generally if a prey item is too large, the snake will regurgitate it. When it comes to substrate they will generally regurgitate and spit out as much as they can. I know it's not a major concern for you, but considering I only have the one snake currently I would like to take the best care of him as I can. And I don't particularly want him getting substrate stuck in his throat, especially wet substrate. If you don't have a serious answer, don't comment. I'm not in the mood for mindless banter back and forth when you are obviously uneducated and are simply on this site to troll people. Good day.

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Yeah skip is uneducated and a troll lol
Pot calling the kettle black

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Originally Posted by Rob

Yeah skip is uneducated lol
Pot calling the kettle black

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Do me a favor and pick up a book. Or go to your herp vet. Yes, its unlikely for a snake to choke but it is certainly possible.

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Originally Posted by MontyAndMelissa

Do me a favor and pick up a book. Or go to your herp vet. Yes, its unlikely for a snake to choke but it is certainly possible.

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I actually work with several herp vets for a variety of reasons....I'm confident that they will concur that you are spewing BS. I'm also confident that most people here can smell what you're peddling.

Aren't you the person who doesn't have a herp vet within 80 miles of you?

Think before you post. Crap like you posted causes a lot of new people a lot of unfounded concerns.

Now please...block me. No need to expose yourself anymore to my trolling.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

I actually work with several herp vets for a variety of reasons....I'm confident that the will concur that you are spewing BS.

Aren't you the person who doesn't have a herp vet within 80 miles of you?

Think before you post. Crap like you posted causes a lot of new people a lot of unfounded concerns.

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I have a herp vet down the street. I don't have a reptile specialty store for roughly 80 miles. Go ahead and ask them, or give me an email address, I'd be happy to send them an email. This post had started with my concern on the amount of substrate my snake was ingesting, and snowballed into a much bigger argument.


If you don't like the level of concern I have over my snake, then don't read my posts, and don't comment.

A lot of new snake owners have the same concerns, which is why I post things like this. And it's people like you, who think they know everything about everything, that make me feel bad for the people on this site who legitimately have concerns for their snakes.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

I actually work with several herp vets for a variety of reasons....I'm confident that they will concur that you are spewing BS. I'm also confident that most people here can smell what you're peddling.

Aren't you the person who doesn't have a herp vet within 80 miles of you?

Think before you post. Crap like you posted causes a lot of new people a lot of unfounded concerns.

Now please...block me. No need to expose yourself anymore to my trolling.

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And the crap that you post causes new owners to not worry about something that could be a legitimate concern.

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Originally Posted by MontyAndMelissa

And the crap that you post causes new owners to not worry about something that could be a legitimate concern.

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In all seriousness, a snake swallowing a little substrate is nothing to worry about. UNLESS..................................
You are using broken glass and metal shavings as substrate.

Also, didn't you state that you went to Vet school, with a focus on Herpetology ???? So you should know this stuff .

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Originally Posted by MontyAndMelissa

And the crap that you post causes new owners to not worry about something that could be a legitimate concern.

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The "crap" he I and others post, Stops new owners from worrying about things that are little to no concern.

Oh really?

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Originally Posted by MontyAndMelissa

I have a herp vet down the street. I don't have a reptile specialty store for roughly 80 miles. Go ahead and ask them, or give me an email address, I'd be happy to send them an email. This post had started with my concern on the amount of substrate my snake was ingesting, and snowballed into a much bigger argument.


If you don't like the level of concern I have over my snake, then don't read my posts, and don't comment.

A lot of new snake owners have the same concerns, which is why I post things like this. And it's people like you, who think they know everything about everything, that make me feel bad for the people on this site who legitimately have concerns for their snakes.

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Remember this thread?

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Originally Posted by MontyAndMelissa

don't remember ever saying that I've never used the techniques you're talking about, in 2004 we owned a RTB, and we used all kinds of techniques with her. She grew to be 7 feet and was the only snake I'd ever known that liked children. That's where my fascination started. I live in an area where certain things, that people suggest, aren't available, so i suggest options that I know are available to me, and I'm told they're moronic ideas (not from you, but from others as well). The only exotic animal vet near me is almost 80 miles away, and the nearest reptile pet store is 4 miles from the vet, so I try to come up with options that may be a little unorthodox, but work. The "pet store" near me (about 2 miles) sells small animals and normal pet supplies but nothing for reptiles, and in an emergency, sometimes ordering online isn't an option.

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Liar.

Go sit in the corner before you embarrass your self further.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

Oh really?



Remember this thread?



Liar.

Go sit in the corner before you embarrass your self further.

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Very observant:) you make a good argument


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