Honey Bee Confusion ...

I've had a "Honey Bee" for close to a year now ... I just recently was messing around with the genetics calculator and discovered that if you do a search it recognizes "Honey Bee" as a orange ghost / spider ... However it links ghost / spider to " honey bee" as well ..... This has caused some confusion in my currently bored state of mind .... Can I get some of you who have worked on " Honey Bee" projects to weigh in and break this down for me please?

I think your confusion lies within the Ghost part of this combo. Orange Ghosts are the most common line, but there are also Yellow, Green, and Desert Ghosts. Not all Ghost lines are compatible (Desert and Green are not), but when someone is referring to an animal as just a Ghost (or Ghost combo), they're typically referring to the most common version.

I apologize allow me to elaborate a lil more ... I have started keeping a log book and for each snake I put their morph at the very top of the page and below I am putting each gene that the snake carries .... I am trying to figure out if I put down "Ghost/Spider" or "Orange Ghost/Spider" .... As they are two different recessive genes

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Originally Posted by T_Sauer

As they are two different recessive genes

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Are you sure about that? If you're going by the Genetic Wizard, this morph's results is a know flaw (compatibility of Ghost lines).

A Honey Bee is a Ghost Spider, an Orange Ghost Spider and a Hypo Spider. All different names for the same animal.

I understand Ghost and Hypo are the same thing ... I'm having a hard time understand where the "Orange" fits in ... And now since you have mentioned it ... Yellow desert and green ... What's with the colors?!?!

Some reading for ya: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...he-ghost-lines

It's a couple years old, but the information hasn't really changed.

Thank you !! I'm still learning LOL .. I definitely don't mind doing the reading and research on my own ... I think one understands it better when they do it that way ... But sometimes need some guidance to find that info LOL thanks again!

Don't put Ghost at all because is not one!

It is a Spider Hypo. Hypo is short for Hypomelanistic!

Ghost is an Axanthic/Hypo Combo.


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Now I may be somewhat of a noob still, but I strongly disagree with your statement ... Ghost has nothing to do with Axanthic .... Axanthic is dealing with the lack of yellow or in some cases red pigment and this boy has plenty of yellow ... While I do agree that Axanthic's have more of an appearance of what you would expect from the word "ghost" being as most Axanthic's are all black and grey and white .... It just simply is not the case ... The definition of the word axanthic pretty much self explains that

But from what I hear , the word "Ghost" always tends to strike up one of those ice age old debates which is why many ppl prefer to just use the word "Hypo" now days ... Guess I may have just opened a can of worms with this thread .... Oops :D

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

Don't put Ghost at all because is not one!

It is a Spider Hypo. Hypo is short for Hypomelanistic!

Ghost is an Axanthic/Hypo Combo.


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Ghost doesn't have anything to do with axanthic, those genes are totally different. Ghost and hypo are two names for the same gene.

A true ghost is axanthic x ghost/hypo. In all other species ghost only means the combo of axanthic and hypo.

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Now I may be somewhat of a noob still, but I strongly disagree with your statement ... Ghost has nothing to do with Axanthic .... Axanthic is dealing with the lack of yellow or in some cases red pigment and this boy has plenty of yellow ... While I do agree that Axanthic's have more of an appearance of what you would expect from the word "ghost" being as most Axanthic's are all black and grey and white .... It just simply is not the case ... The definition of the word axanthic pretty much self explains that

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Study more.................. "True Ghost" is the ultimate ghost in my opinion.
There are many different hypos, some are compatible and others are not.
Your Honey Bee is more than likely an Orange Ghost combo as it is the most common line of hypo used.

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Originally Posted by Daigga

Ghost doesn't have anything to do with axanthic, those genes are totally different. Ghost and hypo are two names for the same gene.

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Please study up on a True Ghost

This thread was pertaining to a question about Orange Ghost originally which then got led into its not a ghost ... And then somehow Axanthic got brought into the whole scenario .... While I previously said that Axanthic has nothing to do with Ghost ... How it came across is not the way I meant for it to sound .... If I am thinking correctly an Axanthic Ghost combo is pretty much a all grey and black snake that is very lightened or dull in its colors which it what you are referring to as a "true ghost" correct?? Because I believe that the very first morph that I liked the most at the first expo I went to was a True Ghost althought it was simply titled "Ghost Ball Python" on its display box .... Ironically enough it was the first morph that intrigued me and got me into all the morphs and I still am yet to have one in my collection LOL

Just to throw this out there and I have mensioned this in a previous post months ago ..... A lot of time ppl like to say "do your research" or "study up on this or that" when actually that is what this post was about was learning about whether my honey bee was a orange ghost x spider or a hypo x spider and some said OG some said Hypo and one said not a ghost at all .... Now if I would have " done my research" on my own ..... (which I did prior to making this thread) then I can only go off what is on the official websites and that info was that a Honey Bee is an orange ghost x spider ... But that same site contradicted itself because it also had honey bee listed as a hypo x spider ... So I get on here to look for further knowledge of it and it almost seems that everyone is more worried about their own aggressive "OPINION" than they are with education of the less experienced members ..... That's just my opinion

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Originally Posted by T_Sauer

Just to throw this out there and I have mensioned this in a previous post months ago ..... A lot of time ppl like to say "do your research" or "study up on this or that" when actually that is what this post was about was learning about whether my honey bee was a orange ghost x spider or a hypo x spider and some said OG some said Hypo and one said not a ghost at all .... Now if I would have " done my research" on my own ..... (which I did prior to making this thread) then I can only go off what is on the official websites and that info was that a Honey Bee is an orange ghost x spider ... But that same site contradicted itself because it also had honey bee listed as a hypo x spider

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A honey bee is an hypo spider the lines are mostly irrelevant since the most common lines people are working with whether t is Orange Ghost, Bell, or Butterscotch are all compatible

So

Orange Ghost Spider = Hypo Spider = Honey Bee

Now to know what YOURS is, there is only one way to know, ask the breeder who produced it to know which line he is working with.

It can be Orange Ghost, it can be Butterscotch it can be Bell or it can be a mix of either.

As for True Ghost it's a whole other debate, just like the fact that the word ghost as been wrongly been used all those years when talking about hypo.

Thank you Deb for the simplified answer to my original question .... I acquired My honey bee from a herp shop at an estimated age of about 2 yrs old .... The owner is usually pretty knowledgeable of where all his herps come from, however since this one was not a newer hatchling if for some reason he is unsure of the line that it is from .... Is it possible to prove it out thru breeding or is it almost impossible to visually tell the difference?

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Originally Posted by T_Sauer

Thank you Deb for the simplified answer to my original question .... I acquired My honey bee from a herp shop at an estimated age of about 2 yrs old .... The owner is usually pretty knowledgeable of where all his herps come from, however since this one was not a newer hatchling if for some reason he is unsure of the line that it is from .... Is it possible to prove it out thru breeding or is it almost impossible to visually tell the difference?

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Can you tell? No, because not only this animal could be a mix of lines but there is also variability in the lines.

All you can hope is that your animal is compatible with the main lines and it most likely is (as previously mentioned) and as far as labeling the offsprings, hypo will cover it, and it won't be a problem selling them once you know if they are compatible with the main lines.

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Originally Posted by T_Sauer

Just to throw this out there and I have mensioned this in a previous post months ago ..... A lot of time ppl like to say "do your research" or "study up on this or that" when actually that is what this post was about was learning about whether my honey bee was a orange ghost x spider or a hypo x spider and some said OG some said Hypo and one said not a ghost at all .... Now if I would have " done my research" on my own ..... (which I did prior to making this thread) then I can only go off what is on the official websites and that info was that a Honey Bee is an orange ghost x spider ... But that same site contradicted itself because it also had honey bee listed as a hypo x spider ... So I get on here to look for further knowledge of it and it almost seems that everyone is more worried about their own aggressive "OPINION" than they are with education of the less experienced members ..... That's just my opinion

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If you think the response to your post was aggressive you might need to step back and read your whole post.
You said that the axanthic had nothing to do with the ghost when in reality it has nothing to do with the hypo.
The true ghost is an axanthic X hypo
Everything else listed as a "ghost" is technically a hypo.
And again as I already stated, the orange ghost is the most common hypo used.

I then corrected myself in a later post .... As to how I meant it to come out and to begin with I was not even referring to any of your posts so I'm not sure what your concern or reason for even commenting right now is .... You are just further proving my point of the aggressive over education factor here .... But Deb has put it plain and simple and I now understand what I was confused about so really there is no longer a need for this thread .... If your feelings are hurt that bad then feel free to delete the thread

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Originally Posted by T_Sauer

If your feelings are hurt that bad then feel free to delete the thread

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Just clarifying myself