triple gene bananabutter yellowbelly.

So I got myself a banana butter yellowbelly he is a male maker and breeding away . now I seen a price drop in the bananas and if I get any triple gene banana butter yellowbellys can any one tell me the going price I'm told they are very rear?

You would still get a good price for a triple gene Banana I would think. Single gene banana males I really don't know, if you get stock lists from bigger breeders they have insane surpluses.

The banana gene has plummeted. But I still think you'll be able to get a couple hundred for single gene animals. I think they'll hold their price better than some of the other single gene co-doms simply because they are so striking in appearance.

And triple gene animals are tougher to price IMO. Especially with newer combos like this there aren't as many out there, so not really a set market. I would price him at what you think he's worth and go from there. If he's still not sold in 3 months, then probably too high, if he sells in 3 minutes, possible too low, or you just found the perfect buyer at the perfect time.

But first I would worry more about hatching healthy clutches before pricing imaginary hatchlings. Don't want to put the cart before the horse.

And its what you can do with him check out the calculator banana butter ivory's , banana ivory's world firsts I think . I'm breeding him to 4 normals 1 spider 1 butter and a yellowbelly all locking up .

paid 4000 euro for him but he did come with a proven large yellowbelly female , he was 250 grams when I got him and is 800 now and still feeding when breeding , he can produce a number of rear/ world firsts .

i wouldn't put him on the butter female, if you get a Blue Eyed Lucy there is no way in telling if it has banana and or yellow belly in it,

i think the same goes for the yellow belly female, if you get an ivory i dont think you can see the banana or the butter in it.

but that is just me if you dont mind hatching+selling BEL's for what they are worth where you are from with the chance the buyer is getting banana/butter/yellow belly in the snake for free then go for it

I'm hoping you will be able to tell them apart I'm told there may well be a lot of purple , I can't recall right now if thats when paired with the yellowbelly or the butter, but no one knows for sure cos it will Be a first and if you do know for sure please let me know.

well we can be sure if he breeds his banana butter yellow belly to an butter and he gets an super butter (blue eyed leucistic) you wont be able to tell if there is banana or yellow belly in it, that is why i said i wouldnt breed it to an butter nor would i breed it to a yellow belly as i do not think you will be able to tell if you get an super yellow belly (ivory) if there is banana or butter in it

You can tell if it's a Banana Ivory so I would imagine you could tell if it was a Banana super butter/lesser as well.

no super butters are completely white. they are leusistic wich means they have no pigment, so there will be no color or markings

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Originally Posted by ARBallMorphs

no super butters are completely white. they are leusistic wich means they have no pigment, so there will be no color or markings

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yes and no. Some super bels will have markings depending on what is in the combo. I'm willing to bet that a super butter/lesser Banana would look different.

the only way to be sure there is another gene in a super butter is having one of the butters to also be a super pastel for example.

so when you have a butter x butter super pastel breeding, all hatchlings will have pastel in them, also the super butter BUT you wont be able to see it

btw, do you have an pic of that banana ivory? never seen one

Not mine so I wont post pics of it..... About the super lesser/butter pastel thing..... Some Bels do have ghost markings. Just saying. It depends on whats in it. I am also willing to bet that the Banana would show through.
I could be wrong, but I think it would and Im sure its been made already.

well could bebut i wouldnt take that chance unless i had the space to hold back every BEL that came from that clutch to prove out if they have banana or not, still even IF the banana would show the Yellow belly doesn't in the super butter.

i have used google and found some picture indeed from some one who "thinks" one of the Ivory's he hatched has banana in it, but tbh i don't see it.

but even if it is just me who doesn't see it the ivory usually has more pigment and isn't realy leucistic and the super butter form of BEL are very often completely white.

BEL with Mojave does pretty often show some pattern indeed

But i am only talking out of my own experience and what i have seen, i could be wrong but i wouldnt take the chance.

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no super butters are completely white. they are leusistic wich means they have no pigment, so there will be no color or markings

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Remember, just because we call them lucy, doesn't make them actually complete lucy.

besides super lemonbacks and super bamboos (which have a small sample size, so not a great example), no other combo can be called complete lucy 100% of the time. even some super lesser/butter have faint yellow markings and some have markings near their eyes. Then there are combos which faintly show and some that destroy the lucy, lucy enchi for example.

that is why i said i was only taking out of my own experience and from what i have seen.

and that i wouldnt take the chance.

same as i wouldn't pair my lesser pastel to an other animal in the blue eyed lucy complex and neither would i breed an fire+other gene to my super fire just because you can't know for sure if there is more gene's at play then the gene's that made the leucistic.

I'm to new at this game to understand most of that anyway as said already strong healthy snakes are the main thing, I'm trying to post photos but can't can someone share a e mail address and I'll send them to you to post?

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Originally Posted by darren888

I'm to new at this game to understand most of that anyway as said already strong healthy snakes are the main thing, I'm trying to post photos but can't can someone share a e mail address and I'll send them to you to post?

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How to Post Pictures: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-Post-Pictures

Never mind check the gallery :-)

that's sooo nice.. how much was it when you got it?

amazing snake. But what the point to shoot for a world first if it s quite a common looking snake... if i have to shoot for a world first it s because i m sure it will be a stunner!!! like a desert ghost super orange dream.... i won t try to make a superpastel spinner champagne...:rolleye2:

you have much better to do with your amazing male like throwing into some dark morph.... het. red, black pastel, cinnamon, chocolate, black head, sable..... so many possibilities.