piedbald?

if i was to buy a 100% het male piedbald and breed it to my normal female would i come up w/any pied or just a bunch of normals?

I think you'd come up with with a bunch of normals, and possibly some hets.

errr, i believe you would come up with a bunch of 50% poss.het offspring
which means, theres a 50% chance that they carry the pied trait(but that doesn't mean that half of the offspring will, its just the odds). Then by breeding the female offspring back to the 100% male, you should be able to prove out if any of the offspring are het.pied.

I'm pretty sure i explained that properly. The only downfall is it will take a while to prove out the offspring, because you'll have to raise the female offspring till they reach breeding maturity. So it'll probably take a couple of years to accomplish the project - and hopefully in the first 100% het. male to Normal female breeding you'll get some female offspring, otherwise, you'll have to wait, and try again. Since you're 100% het is male, you'll need female offspring to breed back to them.

i'd say try to get an answer from someone more knowledgable on here, like KLG - i'm sure she could give you alot better answer than i just did

Also, i forgot -

In the third round of breeding: 100% het. Male x 50% Het. Female -
It would be possible that all of the offspring appear normal, thus making them 66% het. Hopefully you could get lucky and get a dominant carrier out of the breeding, but i'd recommend trying to breed to multiple normal females in the first round, and thus upping your odds of hitting a dominant in the proving process(just due to more eggs being produced....you're giving yourself more chances)

that sounds like its goin 2 take a while! well cant ijust breed 2 hets for pied and get a Pied?

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Originally Posted by sk8er4life

that sounds like its goin 2 take a while! well cant ijust breed 2 hets for pied and get a Pied?

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well....you can breed two 100% hets together, and out of a 4 egg clutch the odds are as follows:
25% chance for a homo. pied(visable morph)
25% chance of normal
50% chance for possible Het

man! I want a pied

Try a Punnett square, that'll help you figure it out. Go here for Punnett Square 101, or for more specific snake related genetic information Check this out.

That brings up a thought, are there stud services in the python arena? That would be cool.
for a meir one hatcling, i'd share my guy with other local pastels for sure, heck, even get
crazy and lend him out to...ummmm...what would a pastel mix with ??? be?

sorry, that's off topic...

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Originally Posted by Deven

That brings up a thought, are there stud services in the python arena? That would be cool.
for a meir one hatcling, i'd share my guy with other local pastels for sure, heck, even get
crazy and lend him out to...ummmm...what would a pastel mix with ??? be?

sorry, that's off topic...

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Breeding loans are very common with ball pythons.

-adam

hmmmm

I have 2 Pieds and 2 Albinos out on loan right now. So yeah, it happens all the time.

To make the homozygous of any morph takes a while; especially for recessive genes where the hets aren't visible. If you don't have much money, buy a 100% het pied male, and spend the 4-6 years it will take. If you can save up the money, buy some het females and save your self a year or two. If you are just looking to produce a single pied, buy a single 100% het female. Or, if you have the space and the rats buy 3 or more 50% het females for about the same price. Your odds are good that at least one of them will be het, and if others are you'll make a lot more cash. At the least, the 50% females that won't prove out for you will have 50% offspring from your male's genes. Anyway you look at it though, it will take money, time, and work. If it were that easy to make recessive morphs from hets, they'd be worth a lot more.

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=277760

$1,650 for a 1.1 pair of 100% het pieds which is pretty reasonable when you think about it... The 2-3 years you'll save is well worth the price difference (assuming you are earning some income... if not, it's a good time of year to shovel some driveways :P)