Double Sire Question.

hi guys,

supposing you have 2 males, 1 lesser and the second one is a normal 100% het for lavender albino. you breed them successfully with a normal female and you get a mix of hatchlings, both lesser and normals..

would it mean that the normal morphs on the clutch are the offspring of the 100% het lavender albino and would be 50% het for lavender albino as well?

any input would be great. thanks

From my understanding if you get lessers in the clutch then the lesser sired the clutch and there would be nothing het lavender albino.

what if the clutch were to be a mix of normals and lessers? given that the male 100% het for lavender albino was able to successfully breed with my female..

Yes, you are almost correct.

There are not two sires per egg but two sires per clutch so You will get Offspring from male A and male B but no offspring with traits from A and B.

When I say "there are" I mean in the VERY RARE occurrence of two sires in a clutch which is the result of the animal using diapause. But this probably wont happen

However...

In this case you are not entirely accurate in your math. The normals from the het. albino would indeed be 50%. But dont forget a lesser on normal will result in half the clutch being normals which will be indistinguishable from the normal het. albino possibilities.

The degree to which the clutch is split will dictate the actual percentage for het. albino. Since there is no way to determine which normals are which you could get the normals are about 25% het. albino but could really be 50% to 0%.

Most importantly, there is no way to determine if you have a clutch from two sires in your case short of proofing for the het. albino. Since normals are produced from both pairings there is no evidence to point to what actually happened. Even if you get no Lessers you cant assume the het. albino sired the clutch, you may have just had bad luck and gotten zero lessers.

I think it would really be a waste of time to breed these males on the same female. Just breed one or the other.

The Normals could be from the Lesser...

There is no way to know if the het produced any of the babies.


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Originally Posted by Joe Massey

what if the clutch were to be a mix of normals and lessers? given that the male 100% het for lavender albino was able to successfully breed with my female..

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Ive seen a lot of people sire 2 males with different morphs in 1 female and the get offsprings from each males. that's why i wounder if it would also be the same for recessive morphs.

It is, but you can't see the Recessive Hets like you can the incomplete Doms.




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i see.. good point on that guys.. it would be such a long, very long process to prove out if the normals are indeed hets.. i guess i'll have to swap the 100% normal het for lavender albino with a spider instead. that way i could get spiders and/or lessers. :)

had you bred a super butter to her then you would know the normals came from the het.


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how can one tell?

Because supers don't produce any normal looking offspring.

ahh... now i see... hmm... good idea...

A Blue Eyed Leucistic (Super Lesser, two lesser genes) with a normal will produce only Lesser single gene animals and zero Normal animals.

This means that all the Lessers from the clutch would be from the Super Lesser and the Normals from the clutch would be from the het. Albino.

In this case you could not tell if your clutch was doubled aired or not.

I don't recommend pairing 2 males to a female unless they are 2 dom or co-dom males. If you want to do it with recessive you need to be smart about it using visual to start with no hets and pairing combos using the same recessive gene, for example Enchi Pied Male and Pastel Pied Male to Het Pied Female.

Would work better if the female was recessive then you could use 2 codom males on her.

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Originally Posted by Velrys

Yes, you are almost correct.

There are not two sires per egg but two sires per clutch so You will get Offspring from male A and male B but no offspring with traits from A and B.

When I say "there are" I mean in the VERY RARE occurrence of two sires in a clutch which is the result of the animal using diapause. But this probably wont happen

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Just have to add, a multi sired clutch is not rare at all. If you use multiple males there is a reasonable chance of the clutch having more than one sire.

thanks for the great advice guys...

i got another question. would there be any differences with the results in breeding a male to a female (IN SHED) compared to breeding a male to a female (AFTER SHED) would that affect getting gravid and feeding?

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Originally Posted by Joe Massey

thanks for the great advice guys...

i got another question. would there be any differences with the results in breeding a male to a female (IN SHED) compared to breeding a male to a female (AFTER SHED) would that affect getting gravid and feeding?

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