Pied/Pastel Pied

I have very little/no experience with pieds and actually picked up my first two girls earlier this year. The first is currently about 800g (the bottom right of the pic) and is fairly dark. The other girl is 1200g and noticeably lighter with more yellow (upper left). I do not have a reliable history with her, I received her in a trade from someone just keeping ball pythons as pets. She was traded to me as a pastel pied, but Ive never been sure so Ive been calling her just a pied. This is the best comparison pic I could get. Both girls are cruisers and hate holding still for a pic. Any votes on pastel pied or regular pied? Just normal color variation in single gene pieds?

http://www.iherp.com/Gallery/88170/1...YQEIGXoZUT.jpg

I always wanted to know details on how to tell them apart I guess I'll have to keep an eye on this thread

I'm pretty new to morphs but I think pastels have blushed out markings. Idk if the pied gene would change that at all but I don't see any blushing in her. I'm going to follow to see what more experienced people say

Pieds dont really have blushing, so I dont think you can tell that way. Ive seen pattern differences in some of the lower white pieds, but since shes higher white that isnt helping me much.

That looks a lot like a pastel pied to me. The yellows are too pronounced to be a normal pied, but please let more experienced people chime in 😊

0.2 normal ball pythons
1.0 pinstripe ball python
1.0 arg. Tegu
1.1 uromastyx

Any other thoughts?

seems like a pastel pied to me too

It would help if we could see the head of the probable pastel pied.

Best pictures I could get. Another comparison and a close up head shot. Not the best pics, but both these girls are....spirited :D

http://www.iherp.com/Gallery/88170/1...ym6BKlnx0x.jpg
http://www.iherp.com/Gallery/88170/1...quH02ZIuLg.jpg

My pied looks a lot like yours high yellow and low white, she resembles all of the pastel pieds I see posted but was sold to me as a regular pied. I remember the breeder telling me "she looks like my pastel pieds but I can tell the difference from the head" so I would really like to know the difference also. I would say that yours looks like a pastel pied also since she's alot lighter than the other but I have nothing to back that up. That's why I said earlier that I want to know a detailed explanation of how to tell the difference

Id love to see a pic of your girl, how big is she? This girl should go next year so Ill know one way or another fairly soon but its always fun to see what other people think. Even if she turns out just to be a pied I wont be very disappointed. I traded an adult male bee and a hatchling female fire for her, so Im happy pastel pied or not!

This is a quick cell phone pic I took of her just now and I weighed her earlier today she's 861 grams.
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/a...psu0ablhmk.jpg

this is a pic of her when I first got her at about 350 grams
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/a...psjpbgiyiw.jpg
Her color hasn't changed much and she's definitely lighter than regular pieds that I have seen

Very pretty girl! She does look similar to mine, if anything a shade lighter.

Thank you. I would love to be able to claim her as a pastel pied and would have gotten an amazing deal but since she was sold to me as a regular pied I'll keep calling her that. Maybe this thread will help us both but until then we have to keep waiting and prove them out lol

No Pastel. Light Pied and dark Pied.


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No Pastel. Light Pied and dark Pied.


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Thanks, but I'd really be interested in knowing what you're looking for to tell the difference.

Don't the pastel pieds have green eyes? Mine does....


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Pastels have more headblushing.

Ill post pics of my 2 pieds

my male is still very bright and orange, both are 1200+g
whereas my female is very dull looking.

Is there still a "brown out line" ,in what pattern and color that are left, when you add pied to pastel?

I was actually just wondering the same thing on mine.

hopefully trying to add to the thread, not hijack it :)

Maybe pastel?
http://www.1bad69.com/gallery/pets/s...e/img_4378.jpg
http://www.1bad69.com/gallery/pets/s...e/img_4384.jpg
http://www.1bad69.com/gallery/pets/s...e/img_4388.jpg


darker pied:
http://www.1bad69.com/gallery/pets/s...e/img_4385.jpg


both:
http://www.1bad69.com/gallery/pets/s...e/img_4389.jpg
http://www.1bad69.com/gallery/pets/s...e/img_4390.jpg

Personally, I think that if it doesn't have blue/green eyes, then it is not a pastel.

Actually... I was looking around for pictures of pastel pieds (sale ads, blogs, etc), and they mostly had green eyes that I could see, just a shade darker than normal pastels, so it was actually a little harder to see in some of the snakes unless the lighting was right. There were a few on sale listings where the eyes were very dark and I could not determine if they were actually green or not! So, I'm curious if there's anyone here who has experience with pastel pieds, either owning or breeding -- do all pastel pieds have green eyes, just like pastels have green eyes?


Edited to add: Here's a blog post from someone who hatched a clutch of pastel pieds and one normal pied. All of the pastel pieds, including the sire of the clutch (pastel pied), has green eyes. http://heathersherpsblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/pastel-pied-eyes.html

i want a pied :( I think they are super cool. I don't know anything about how to tell morphs apart thought. sorry.

I think you're on the right track. They look like a regular and pastel pied to me. With her size, her color is nice and light. Ive seen a lot of variance in pastel pieds, but yours look bright enough. Very pretty animals either way.