head wobbles??

my new bp ive noticed he turns his head in a weird way sometimes. ive looked this up and all i can find about it is called head wobbles in the spider morphs (which describes the head movements mine does)...but my snake is not a spider. i have had him for a week and im worried. is there anything i can do? is it the wobbles like in the spider morphs? im confused and dont know what to do:tears:

What kind of morph is he?

he is het pastel. he looks like just a normal

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Originally Posted by Tezo

he is het pastel. he looks like just a normal

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No such thing as a "Het" Pastel. Sounds like you just have a Normal.




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could another morph beside spiders get this??

What are you using as a heat source for him? What temperature is his hot spot using this heat source? What are you using to measure the temperature of his hot spot?

There have been documented cases of normal royals which hatch from the same clutch as spiders which exhibit the head wobble. Sounds like its got some Spider genetics running through it somewhere.

As mentioned above there are cases where overheating have caused instances of head wobble .

the hot spot on his cage is 89 and the cool spot is 78-80. im have a digital thermometer that measures heat and humidity. im going to call the breeder and ask if he might have any spider genes in him just to be sure. do you think i should lower the temps?

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Originally Posted by Zincubus

There have been documented cases of normal royals which hatch from the same clutch as spiders which exhibit the head wobble. Sounds like its got some Spider genetics running through it somewhere.

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Where did you hear this? Do you mind sharing this documentation?

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Originally Posted by Tezo

im going to call the breeder and ask if he might have any spider genes in him just to be sure.

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Spider is a dominant trait. Unless it is a visual Spider, you don't have the Spider gene in your normal ball python. There are other morphs associated with a wobble (Champagne, HGW, Powerball, Super Sable, Woma), but again, the genetic wobble only occurs in the visual animals.

You mentioned your temperatures and what you are using to measure them, but you didn't say what device (heat tape, heat pad, heat bulb, heat rock, etc) you are using to reach these temperatures. Also, what kind of digital thermometer? Is it the kind with a probe on it? If so, where is that probe placed? Perhaps a picture would help if you could do so. :)

There are many cases of normal Royals with head wobble . Google is your friend :)

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Originally Posted by Tezo

he is het pastel. he looks like just a normal

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:OWoW:O

And who did you purchase this animal from??

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Originally Posted by Zincubus

There are many cases of normal Royals with head wobble . Google is your friend :)

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Show me the ones that specifically came from a spider clutch and exhibited it out of the egg. External factors can cause neuro issues as well. There are also rare cases of ball pythons showing it that did not come from any spider parents. Never seen one from a spider clutch tho, care to share your google results?

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

:OWoW:O

And who did you purchase this animal from??

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i got him from The Snake Lady at the Repticon i went to.

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Originally Posted by Eric Alan

Where did you hear this? Do you mind sharing this documentation?

Spider is a dominant trait. Unless it is a visual Spider, you don't have the Spider gene in your normal ball python. There are other morphs associated with a wobble (Champagne, HGW, Powerball, Super Sable, Woma), but again, the genetic wobble only occurs in the visual animals.

You mentioned your temperatures and what you are using to measure them, but you didn't say what device (heat tape, heat pad, heat bulb, heat rock, etc) you are using to reach these temperatures. Also, what kind of digital thermometer? Is it the kind with a probe on it? If so, where is that probe placed? Perhaps a picture would help if you could do so. :)

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he has a heat bulb. should i use something else?

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Originally Posted by Tezo

he has a heat bulb. should i use something else?

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Most heat sources are fine as long as they are regulated with a stat and the temps are appropriate .

Wobble is connected to the gene that causes it. Its not in the line, there are no other genes that cause it other than the one that produces the morph. This is well documented and studied, and the phenomenon is not limited to ball python

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Originally Posted by Tezo

i got him from The Snake Lady at the Repticon i went to.

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I probably wouldn't run to this breeder for any concerns being that they sold it to you as a "het pastel". On a scale of one to het pastel...how accurate are your temp readings? What type of spot spot do you use and how is that regulated and measured?

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Originally Posted by Tezo

i got him from The Snake Lady at the Repticon i went to.

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More than likely it was cooked too hot AND we already know you got screwed. Sorry but the truth is what it is.
Take this and learn from it. As far as the wobble is going, there probably isn't mush of anything you can do about it.
Is this your only snake? If its not I hope you are QTing.

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Originally Posted by Zincubus

There are many cases of normal Royals with head wobble . Google is your friend :)

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My Google skills are up to par, thank you. :irkd: As a math teacher would say (and I asked previously), "Please, show your work."

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he has a heat bulb. should i use something else?

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I asked more than one question, and everything I asked is important for us to know in order to be able to provide you with any sort of direction. Other members have now asked some of these same questions. Do you mind going back and answering a few more of the questions that have been asked so that we can help provide some more direction? It's impossible to diagnose or help you without a better picture of how he's being kept.