Undecided about breeding and genetics

Ok so I'm really new to this. I have a bumblebee and I was thinking of getting a male bumblebee to breed to her.
Then I read somewhere you should avoid double spider genes.
If this is the case what would you pair her with that would make a desirable offspring?
To add to the complication... I was debating buying a second female instead and I wanted the male (which I could get later on because males are quicker to be able to breed than females) to be able to breed to both females creating interesting morphs.
Suggestions?

Build an army of females then when their about 18 months old start looking for your males.
There are so many combos just look at world of ball pythons web site and find what you like.

While there is not rock solid proof of the super spider being an issue, there are cases that suggest it being lethal. Personally I would avoid it.

You could get a super pastel and increase your odds at the killerbee

Male:	Super Pastel
Female:	Bumblebee
Percent	Fraction	Traits
25%	1/4	Killerbee
25%	1/4	Super Pastel
25%	1/4	Bumblebee
25%	1/4	Pastel
View Results Page

There are tons of combo out there with pastel and spider, I would suggest checking them out and seeing what peaks your interest.

I second what's mentioned
above, maybe a Super Pastel
multi combo even! Good luck

RustlewoodReptiles

Could go with a pinstripe

12.5%1/8Pinstripe
12.5%1/8Pastel
12.5%1/8LemonBlast
12.5%1/8Spider
12.5%1/8Spinner
12.5%1/8Bumble Bee
12.5%1/8Spinner Blast

I would not wait as long as you think you can wait to get a male. You will be relying on one male, or are you going to get a couple? Maybe get a gene not many people are working with, Red Stripe, or some gene/combo that people really like, Spotnose, Orange Dream, or Disco. What about simple recessive genes, the Clown is always going to be a winner, or Lavender Albino?

I would say get a nice Pastel Spotnose male.

Dave

It all boils down to what you like. Sure, there are some morphs that people get into because of value in addition to how pretty they are. However, if spiders happen to be your thing, by all means play with that gene. Combine it, cross it, make pretty snakes, do what makes you happy. As someone who is also just starting to expand my collection in hopes of breeding, I'm looking into morphs that I like, but are also affordable. My collection right now includes a normal sub adult female, a juvenile normal female, and a baby mojave female, and I have a breeder sized male lesser bee coming in on Tuesday. Obviously I have some time on my hands, in addition to some space to gather up a few more genes before I can really start going (No rush, last thing I want is to dive head first and come up shallow).

Back to my original point; look into any gene(s) you're interested in and pursue it if you feel like it. Everyone will tell you something different, because everyone has different tastes. My advice to you as someone in a similar position is to do what makes you happy for now and worry about profitability after you get a better feel for breeding. Maybe invest in a normal? You can get breeding weight adults for crazy cheap (and readily available, adults of any morph are a pain to find and usually expensive), and if your first clutch comes out a bust it's no huge monetary loss.

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Originally Posted by Daigga

It all boils down to what you like. Sure, there are some morphs that people get into because of value in addition to how pretty they are. However, if spiders happen to be your thing, by all means play with that gene. Combine it, cross it, make pretty snakes, do what makes you happy. As someone who is also just starting to expand my collection in hopes of breeding, I'm looking into morphs that I like, but are also affordable. My collection right now includes a normal sub adult female, a juvenile normal female, and a baby mojave female, and I have a breeder sized male lesser bee coming in on Tuesday. Obviously I have some time on my hands, in addition to some space to gather up a few more genes before I can really start going (No rush, last thing I want is to dive head first and come up shallow).

Back to my original point; look into any gene(s) you're interested in and pursue it if you feel like it. Everyone will tell you something different, because everyone has different tastes. My advice to you as someone in a similar position is to do what makes you happy for now and worry about profitability after you get a better feel for breeding. Maybe invest in a normal? You can get breeding weight adults for crazy cheap (and readily available, adults of any morph are a pain to find and usually expensive), and if your first clutch comes out a bust it's no huge monetary loss.

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Im in the same boat except all my fems are under 500 grams ive got a dinker import a mojo and a lemonblast het hypo lol i have some nice males when they are reaxy though i have a pog and a spider mojo and a spider already lined up

Now I'm toying with the idea of a banana to add value to the clutch....

Be careful with coral glows they temd to be male makers.

I would definitely not get a male with the same genes as the female UNLESS you wanted to make supers. Take the opportunity to get some different genes to add in. A pastel combo would give you the ability for superpastel combos, so anything with pastel would be useful.

It is what you like, what would excite you to see in an egg? If you breed for love of ball pythons, you can never go wrong.

And dont make it about profits you'll be sorely disappointed

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Originally Posted by mamaofporter

Now I'm toying with the idea of a banana to add value to the clutch....

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For a beginner breeder I would not be going after value. Like I said before, I'm starting to expand my collection as well, but I'm starting kind of small on the price scale. Building my own racks, purchasing snakes that appeal to me but come in at under 200 dollars to start, that sort of thing. I would be thrilled to have a banana to start my breeding collection with, but that's simply out of my price range, and I'm not comfortable at all risking a 500 dollar plus snake when I honestly don't have the feel for breeding just yet. Will I be looking at buying one after I've produced a few clutches and know what I'm doing? Absolutely! Love the color, love the look, flinch at the price. I'm just really worried at this point that I'll make some kind of rookie mistake with an incubator, and if that happens god help me if a banana clutch has to get tossed.

If you have the money to buy one and are comfortable taking such a huge risk at the start, I suppose nothing is really stopping you, but breeding snakes or any animals shouldn't really be about value.