Pastel or Fire?

I am interested in having a pet python but I want to move up a little bit more than a normal python to start with.

I was just wondering which of the two (Pastel or Fire) has more yellow in them even when they become adults?

Also if I'm only going to get one snake, would a tub still be better than an exo terra that is 36” x 18” x 12”?

One more thing, if you happen to live in the SF VALLEY 818 area, does anyone know of a breeder?

Thank you.

from pictures I've googled, it looks like pastels are a little brighter as adults, both showed some signes of browning, but with fires it was a little more obvious.
as for your caging question, are looking for a just one as a pet or looking to house a lot of snakes?
if the answer is just one or 2 as pets then the terrarium will be just fine, if you a looking to eventually have a lot of snakes, then a rack and tub system is best.

good luck in your search and I hope you can find the animal you are looking for to make you happy.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by ajmreptiles

from pictures I've googled, it looks like pastels are a little brighter as adults, both showed some signes of browning, but with fires it was a little more obvious.
as for your caging question, are looking for a just one as a pet or looking to house a lot of snakes?
if the answer is just one or 2 as pets then the terrarium will be just fine, if you a looking to eventually have a lot of snakes, then a rack and tub system is best.

good luck in your search and I hope you can find the animal you are looking for to make you happy.

Cheers

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That's a little backwards, fires get better and better with age, Idk if I'd call it yellow,but they are bright, pastels are known for Browning out, there are exceptions though.

As for the pastel or fire thing I think its personal preference, I like pastel. Im pretty sure Brian Gundy @ For Goodness Snakes is in sf area. Hes real good and Im sure will have no issues answering any questions you have.

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Originally Posted by Tewchainz

I am interested in having a pet python but I want to move up a little bit more than a normal python to start with.

I was just wondering which of the two (Pastel or Fire) has more yellow in them even when they become adults?

Also if I'm only going to get one snake, would a tub still be better than an exo terra that is 36” x 18” x 12”?

One more thing, if you happen to live in the SF VALLEY 818 area, does anyone know of a breeder?

Thank you.

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I personally like Fires. As someone else on here already said, it all depends on personal preference.

If you're going to have only one Ball Python, i'd suggest going PVC enclosure like Animal Plastics. It something that looks much better than a tub but very easy to maintain both humidity and heat.

Don't know any breeders, but I do have a lot of experience with a local reptile shop in Chatsworth called Exotic Life Fish & Reptiles. I've bought 3 BPs from there and all 3 were beautiful morphs in excellent health. You pay retail price, but I think it's worth it because you get quality animals. Good luck in your search!

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Originally Posted by Mr. Misha

I personally like Fires. As someone else on here already said, it all depends on personal preference.

If you're going to have only one Ball Python, i'd suggest going PVC enclosure like Animal Plastics. It something that looks much better than a tub but very easy to maintain both humidity and heat.

Don't know any breeders, but I do have a lot of experience with a local reptile shop in Chatsworth called Exotic Life Fish & Reptiles. I've bought 3 BPs from there and all 3 were beautiful morphs in excellent health. You pay retail price, but I think it's worth it because you get quality animals. Good luck in your search!

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Thanks! I've been wanting to check out their store. Reptile outpost closed down last Friday.. Not sure of the reason. I'm looking for a ball with bright yellow colors even as an adult. But my budget for the snake itself is around $100-$150 at most and it has to be a female.

Also is the exo terra that I mentioned earlier good for a bp? I heard that tubs are better at controlling humidity because it's plastic. I'll check out that PVC enclosure. Oh what about vision cages?

As far as food is concerned, do you get your feeder mice from them too? I don't think I can purchase more than what the snake will eat per week. I live with some folks and they don't like the idea of a frozen mice next to their meat lol.

Thank you all for the replies, I'm sure with the help of this website my first ball python will last me a lifetime.

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Originally Posted by Derekm951

As for the pastel or fire thing I think its personal preference, I like pastel. Im pretty sure Brian Gundy @ For Goodness Snakes is in sf area. Hes real good and Im sure will have no issues answering any questions you have.

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Oh oh sorry I meant that I live in the San Fernando valley/La area.

there's no telling whether a pastel will brown out or not...it's mostly a game of chance. a good place to start would be to buy from a reputable breeder who are into line breeding bright pastels, but even then there's no 100% that the yellow will remain into adulthood.
bumblebees are in your price range and very bright yellow at birth but not all remain that way. if you can spare more cash, some of the brighter pastel combos have one or more of the following: orange dream, enchi, fire, vanilla....

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Originally Posted by J.P.

there's no telling whether a pastel will brown out or not...it's mostly a game of chance. a good place to start would be to buy from a reputable breeder who are into line breeding bright pastels, but even then there's no 100% that the yellow will remain into adulthood.
bumblebees are in your price range and very bright yellow at birth but not all remain that way. if you can spare more cash, some of the brighter pastel combos have one or more of the following: orange dream, enchi, fire, vanilla....

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Would you kindly give me some links for good and affordable breeders? Thank you!

I'm sorry I can not help with that....I'm from another country.

To answer your Exo Terra for a BP question:

I started my baby bp in a 24x18x12 exo terra set up and found it to be marginally acceptable for me. Used flexwatt under tank controlled by a cheap zillow thoermastat, cut plexiglass to cover 3/4 of screen top to help maintain hunidity, overhead light for additional heat. Wasn't the easiest to keep ideal temps and humidity in this type of terrarium but it can be done. After 8-9 months, she was 45 inches in length, cramped in her exo terra, and I had saved enough for her permanent AP enclosure 48x24x15 and a quality Herpstat 2 thermostat. I love love love my new PVC cage and the Herpstat is awesome controlling the flexwatt and RHP. We keep our home on the cool side year round so both heat sources are needed. If you have the funds, i would splurge on a large pvc cage and divide it in half while she is young and open it up when she's big enough. Will make maintaining heat and humidity much easier.

Beeder question:

I know he's not local for you, but Ben Renick at Renick Reptiles in Missouri is where I purchased my girl from and could not have been happier with the purchase. Ben has always been available to answer any questions i had along the way. Check out his web, www.renickreptiles.com. He currently has several available within your price range.

Good Luck

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Originally Posted by Tewchainz

Also is the exo terra that I mentioned earlier good for a bp? I heard that tubs are better at controlling humidity because it's plastic. I'll check out that PVC enclosure. Oh what about vision cages?

As far as food is concerned, do you get your feeder mice from them too? I don't think I can purchase more than what the snake will eat per week. I live with some folks and they don't like the idea of a frozen mice next to their meat lol.

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I agree with Tbrown806. Exo Terra is going to be a waste of money because you're going to have a hard time keeping up heat and humidity. I have no experience in tubs so I can't really comment on those. Vision cages are supposed to also be good but I prefer Animal Plastics enclosures.

As far as feeders, yes, i get live mice and rats from them weekly. I only feed live though. Their rodent delivery days are Mondays and Thursdays but most of the time you can get them during any day of the week.

there's so many to choose from on animal plastics which one is good for its entire life?

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Originally Posted by Tewchainz

there's so many to choose from on animal plastics which one is good for its entire life?

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The T8 would probably be the least expensive and ship the quickest. I had to wait almost 10 weeks for the T10 but wanted the extra height. 48x24 will be plenty big for the entire life. Do a search in the forum for "T8 setup with pictures". It's a great write up.

Personally, i'd suggest a T10. It give you just a little bit more height than a T8 but it does take forever to receive it though.

Here's that thread on the T8:
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=165571

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Originally Posted by Mr. Misha

Personally, i'd suggest a T10. It give you just a little bit more height than a T8 but it does take forever to receive it though.

Here's that thread on the T8:
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=165571

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Good lord almighty that is a nice looking setup and that's a T8?? looks huge!

My next one will be taller as well.

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Originally Posted by Tewchainz

Good lord almighty that is a nice looking setup and that's a T8?? looks huge!

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It's long and wide but the hight is only a foot in the T8. At least the T10 has a little taller (only by 3 inches though)

Here's a photo of my setup. The bottom one is my T12 and the T8 is on top. That way you see the height difference once you fill it up with stuff.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/14/ybata2a5.jpg

Yeah I think T10 would be perfect. Also I found a breeder here in the valley $180 for a super pastel. woohoo!

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Originally Posted by Tewchainz

Yeah I think T10 would be perfect. Also I found a breeder here in the valley $180 for a super pastel. woohoo!

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Who's the breeder? I'm starting to look for a Nuclear female and would love to get it locally.

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Who's the breeder? I'm starting to look for a Nuclear female and would love to get it locally.

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I inboxed you his contact info!

Are the PVC enclosures in chain pet stores, or do I have to order them online. My girl is outgrowing her enclosure and if the PVC enclosure is easier to maintain humidity, then that sounds like the way to go. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by queenelvis82

Are the PVC enclosures in chain pet stores, or do I have to order them online. My girl is outgrowing her enclosure and if the PVC enclosure is easier to maintain humidity, then that sounds like the way to go. Thanks!

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Animal Plastics (my favorite) are only available through their website. Other PVC enclosures like Vision Cages are available through retaliers like LLL Reptile as well as their website. They're definitely worth it though.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Misha

Animal Plastics (my favorite) are only available through their website. Other PVC enclosures like Vision Cages are available through retaliers like LLL Reptile as well as their website. They're definitely worth it though.

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and everywhere I've read, people rave about their costumer service, which to me is always a plus.