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Hi. mom was normal and dad was moms son which is a pastel..http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/31/su9eme5u.jpg...http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/31/davyvabu.jpg

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If I were in your shoes I would just breed it to find out. Is it a male or female? I remember reading your other thread (with the possible Fader) where I first saw this amazing little animal and some of the other awesome animals you've been fortunate enough to produce. Parts of the pattern shape say clown and part say "jungle" pattern pastel so I don't know. The color is strangely bright and covers the whole pattern which is strange too. The head looks very normal. I would love to see some progression pictures to see how the color holds up or just more pictures in general. I don't have any real world experience but have looked at a ton of pictures and I would call it a Pastel BUT I would secretly assume it was something new and would try to replicate it. Any lineage pictures would be amazing such as parents and grandparents.

Here is a pic of the fathers dad..
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._041_thumb.jpg..

Google image Graziani line ball pythons and that is pretty much textbook. Once you breed the little fellow I guess we'll know more. Do you have any ideas of what you think might be going on with the little one? Do you have any ideas on what the future holds for it as far as breeding?

Looks like a nice normal to me.

Maybe but I would like to see more pictures of it. Or even one picture of a normal that's that bright.

Ok so I just looked at some more pics and it does resemble a nice bright normal :/

I was looking at my old records and last year I put a calico with her 2 times.. Im not sure but the sides are pink and could there be a chance its a calico.... gonna take better pics soon...

As a baby Calico that could make sense looking like that.

I see a normal (definitely not a calico). Hatchling normals can even be brighter than that. This is one I produced form mojave x normal. She was significantly brighter than her siblings, but still a normal.

http://www.iherp.com/Gallery/88170/4...5bVPpfWCM4.jpg

http://www.iherp.com/Gallery/88170/6...LwIJ8tdPC6.jpg

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Originally Posted by aalomon

I see a normal (definitely not a calico). Hatchling normals can even be brighter than that. This is one I produced form mojave x normal. She was significantly brighter than her siblings, but still a normal.

http://www.iherp.com/Gallery/88170/4...5bVPpfWCM4.jpg

http://www.iherp.com/Gallery/88170/6...LwIJ8tdPC6.jpg

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She for sale as a normal ? Il take it. :)

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In your opinion please tell me what kind of male would you get for a female who is 100% het hypo (her dad is butter champange and her mom cinnamon het hypo)?

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Originally Posted by viceycrazy

In your opinion please tell me what kind of male would you get for a female who is 100% het hypo (her dad is butter champange and her mom cinnamon het hypo)?

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If those are the parents she isn't a 100% het hypo. She would only be a 50% possible het.

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

If those are the parents she isn't a 100% het hypo. She would only be a 50% possible het.

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50% possible het, for what though?

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Originally Posted by viceycrazy

50% possible het, for what though?

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Hypo

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

If those are the parents she isn't a 100% het hypo. She would only be a 50% possible het.

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X2 one of the parents needs to be a visual Hypo for the babies to be 100% het. If the Cinnamon was not a visual, she is only het for hypo. Therefore, her offspring are only possible het aka 50% het hypo

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She for sale as a normal ? Il take it. :)

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Haha. Nope, but she is due to lay in about 15 days!

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X2 one of the parents needs to be a visual Hypo for the babies to be 100% het. If the Cinnamon was not a visual, she is only het for hypo. Therefore, her offspring are only possible het aka 50% het hypo

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I think the dad was visual and the mom seemed normal..

aalomon, what did you breed her too? A Mojave? That is insane! I've been dieing to get some hands on experience to see what all polygenic traits will get passed onto Normals (and morphs) when produced from various other gened animals. A cook book of sorts. Your normal has obvious color influence from the Mojave! I plan on some experiments to produce Normals with specific variance, we'll see how it goes in the years and years down the road but I'm extremely hopeful. Pictures of Normals like yours actually do nothing more than reinforce my desire to start my polygenic programs. I can't wait to see baby pics and know what you paired her with. Honestly if I had a Normal like either one of these I would hope it was a male and I don't care about money and breeding stacked genes so he would get paired to several single gene females.

While I am starting to believe it's a Normal due to some crazy variations they have check this Calico out...http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file.../1/calico1.jpg

Yeah I guess just a nice normal .. still waiting for a shed...