hets that you proved out

I am going to get a possible het soon and was curious to see how many of you proved out possible hets of any morph. If you could please show pics that would be appreciated.

Go look at coreydelong posts. He is het king for 2014 in my book right now.

I've only tried with a few and all of them so far have proven out, 66% poss het albino, hypo and axanthic so those three are all proven poss hets that I've proven.. But as affordable as 100% hets are and even the visual stuff can be unless you're working with something high end the poss hets can be a waste of money.

Does she look promising for het pied?http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/10/u7aquguz.jpg

I've got 6 poss het clutches cookin I'll come back and post in this thread when I get my results.

Poss het pieds and poss het Lavs.



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I have visual albinos off of two possible gambles.
The male was sold after proven and now I am trying to proce out another male with the now proven female.
The biggest step is trusting the word of who you are buying from.
The second step is realizing its always a 100% gamble.
Though it does feel great when you see visual recessives.

Thats true about it being a gamble. I got my BP because of the fire gene. The fact that she is 66% het pied is kinda a bonus.

My business got off to a great start when I proved out 7 of 9 50% possible het lavender albinos back in 2008/2009. Last year I proved out 2 of 3 50% possible het candies that I produced myself. Possible Hets have been good to me.

Two of the candies I produced from those clutches:
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...ndyfemales.jpg

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

My business got off to a great start when I proved out 7 of 9 50% possible het lavender albinos back in 2008/2009. Last year I proved out 2 of 3 50% possible het candies that I produced myself. Possible Hets have been good to me.

Two of the candies I produced from those clutches:
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...ndyfemales.jpg

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So was that just pure luck or was there something you saw in the possible hets that made you breed them?

Just luck :)

Ok cool. Well hopefully my girl proves out when she is ready to breed.

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Originally Posted by Gerardo

I am going to get a possible het soon and was curious to see how many of you proved out possible hets of any morph. If you could please show pics that would be appreciated.

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This year I am proving out some PH Pieds that I produced and held back.

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...014Cl03_01.jpg

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...014Cl03_03.jpg

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...014Cl03_04.jpg

I have two more clutches in the incubator so we will see if they prove or not (not many eggs so it might take another season)

This year I am holding back some 100% Het Hypo 66% PH Pied and I am confident that they will prove ;)

When it comes to PH Pied hold back it is a safe gamble IMO

I know about the "train tracks" for het pied but is there other markers for het pied? Also how do you generally pick who to hold back as possible hets of other morphs?

a few recessive hets have markers. some het pieds (not all) have the railroad tracks, and some het clowns (not all) have some subtle signs in the pattern. these are the ones i know.

generally, recessives have absolutely no markers. none at all. how do you pick them? you pick the "normals" that look the best. or you pick based on the extra genes, or based on the quality of the extra genes. apart from that it is pure luck.

i think the following have absolutely no markers, and it is pure luck: albino, caramel, axanthic, hypo, lavender albino, candy, toffee, ultramel, genetic stripe. i could be wrong about one or two, i would not be very surprised if i would be wrong about genetic stripe.

so generally its pure luck. you cannot pick them out based on any markers when they are none, and thats generally the case.

An update like I promised.

So, so far 2 poss het lav clutches have been cut 1 proved out and gave me 3 Lavs.


Super happy I have 2 more clutches from poss Hets cookin can't wait to see the results.

Just off the top of my head and only counting females I've proven (in some cases the males used to prove them where also possible hets):

0.2 50% chance het albinos (0.2 didn't prove)
0.1 33% chance het caramel (0.2 didn't prove)
0.4 25% - 50% chance het pied
0.1 50% chance het hypo

I've got eggs from my first possible het stripe in the incubator now but she was held back on the basis of being the only albino rather than on anything particularly stripy in her look. Also have eggs from a possible double het albino pied that already proved het pied.

IMHO pied and hypo often show in the hets. Hoping stripe and clown also do but I don't have any test results for that yet.

Here is a link to a marker for het albino newborn boa constrictors:

http://www.redtailboas.com/f15/how-i...litters-33869/

Does it work for ball python het albinos? I don't have access to any to check it out.

I guess I can add some more pictures so far I had 3 more female proving out (one on a breeding loan)

One PH Clown

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...014Cl11_01.jpg

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a..._Clown_M04.jpg

And an Enchi PH Pied

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...014Cl17_01.jpg

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...Clutch17_2.jpg

2 female PH pieds did not prove however they only had 3 eggs each so I cannot rule them out just yet, and I have a clutch from another PH clown in the incubator right now.

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I guess I can add some more pictures so far I had 3 more female proving out (one on a breeding loan)

One PH Clown

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...014Cl11_01.jpg

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a..._Clown_M04.jpg

And an Enchi PH Pied

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...014Cl17_01.jpg

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...Clutch17_2.jpg

2 female PH pieds did not prove however they only had 3 eggs each so I cannot rule them out just yet, and I have a clutch from another PH clown in the incubator right now.

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Deb I think you need to let others barrow that Horse Shoe

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

a few recessive hets have markers. some het pieds (not all) have the railroad tracks, and some het clowns (not all) have some subtle signs in the pattern. these are the ones i know.

generally, recessives have absolutely no markers. none at all. how do you pick them? you pick the "normals" that look the best. or you pick based on the extra genes, or based on the quality of the extra genes. apart from that it is pure luck.

i think the following have absolutely no markers, and it is pure luck: albino, caramel, axanthic, hypo, lavender albino, candy, toffee, ultramel, genetic stripe. i could be wrong about one or two, i would not be very surprised if i would be wrong about genetic stripe.

so generally its pure luck. you cannot pick them out based on any markers when they are none, and thats generally the case.

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I've noticed het Toffee/Candy have bright white borders around the alien heads. Same when picking out Toffinos/Candinos. Het Ultramels have a wierd belly thing going on. Het Axanthics when combined with some combos display muted colors as hatchlings.....some even look axanthic emerging from the egg. Het Pieds also express in many combos other than belly markers. The het Pied gene is expressed visually or in pattern manipulation.

All het Pieds....
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...psf2c7a909.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ps12b550f4.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF2245.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF0838.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF0815.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9958.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...psdfe9daef.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ps140a696e.jpg

See any correlation? Some of these were proven from possible hets.

Just proved out my het albino lady http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...d1fc2f2c0f.jpg[emoji39] [emoji39] [emoji39] [emoji39]

Nice! Keep us updated when they decide to come out :) I love me some hatchling pics [emoji4]


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I am going to get a possible het soon and was curious to see how many of you proved out possible hets of any morph. If you could please show pics that would be appreciated.

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I dont know if you've noticed the theme here, so ill point it out. Nearly everyone in this thread is showing off possible hets they produced themselves, kept, then proved out down the line. That is a totally different story from buying a possible het. You've got to really trust your seller, and hope that no one else has gone thru and picked out the ones with the most potential. Thats a Pretty big gamble in my book

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I dont know if you've noticed the theme here, so ill point it out. Nearly everyone in this thread is showing off possible hets they produced themselves, kept, then proved out down the line. That is a totally different story from buying a possible het. You've got to really trust your seller, and hope that no one else has gone thru and picked out the ones with the most potential. Thats a Pretty big gamble in my book

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my het albino was bought from Mike Viola as a 100% het. I just proved it out for myself this season

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my het albino was bought from Mike Viola as a 100% het. I just proved it out for myself this season

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That's a bit different, if you buy a 100% het you will get visuals sooner or later well so long you buy from someone reputable.

When I buy hets I never wonder nor feel like I am proving anything out.

Possible hets are a gambling you buy 66% or 50% hets or holdback from your clutched and hope that you will prove them out. (They may or may not)

All animals posted here were possible hets not hets ;)

Just proved out a poss het pied that I almost gave up on remember guys give them that 10 egg limit. Patience pays off.


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Just proved out a poss het pied that I almost gave up on remember guys give them that 10 egg limit. Patience pays off.


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Unfortunately the odds can work against you in some cases. I had a pair of kingsnakes that I produced myself, that were het for Axanthic. My first clutch of 14 eggs produced 1.0 Axanthic. The second clutch of 15, 0.0 Axanthics. The final clutch of 14 produced 0.1 Axanthics. Talk about bad luck. Two Axanthics out of 43 eggs, when statistically I should have produced at least 10. Sometimes the odds take more time than we expect....and it sucks! Congrats on the Pieds! Still my favorite base more to this day.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ps6aa6b339.jpg

I've always had a very limited snake budget so have chosen to spend it on possible het males and hardly ever buy females of any kind due to the usual female price premium.

I've proven several purchased possible het males. Two for albinos and at least one for pied and one for caramel.

Have eggs incubating now that might prove a possible het stripe male (actually a possible double het albino stripe male that already proved het albino). Also in the incubator a chance to prove another possible het pied male (known het albino). I've also proven a possible het hypo male but he was a gift so not a purchase. Hope to put a purchased possible het clown male to the test eventually but like a lot of my projects that will require growing his daughters up so will take a while.

Anyway, I'm not afraid to buy possible hets from other breeders. All the more so now that there is almost no economic benefit to labeling an animal a possible het. In fact, I've always suspected that a large percentage of breeders despise possible hets and think my ads would be better received if I didn't mention what my animals are possible het for. Seems some automatically assume scam as soon as they read "possible het". But it would be a shame of they didn't get paired with the right gene to make the best possible babies so I'll keep mentioning what they are possible het for.