Pie Bald + Normal.

Hey guys,

So I'm a new owner and currently own a regular female ball python (which was given to us by a person leaving the country.)

And we just purchased a male pie bald python. We do plan on eventually mating them since they both haven't reached the required weights. However, I'm curious to know what sort of morphs the two would generate.

I live in Qatar and even the store owners do not know much about morphs so I'm hoping you guys will be able to help me :)

Our babies:

http://imgur.com/peq1uQj,esEvr5b#0

http://imgur.com/peq1uQj,esEvr5b#1

Any sort of help appreciated :)

Kind regards,

Jatin KIran

You would produce babies that were normal looking, but het for Pied...

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Originally Posted by sho220

You would produce babies that were normal looking, but het for Pied...

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Thanks :)

Like sho220 said, they would be het for pied.

A bit more about the genetics:

Piebald is recessive, meaning you need two of the genes to physically display the trait.

So say AA was piebald, and BB was normal, if you bred them together, all the babies would only have AB for their genes, which is considered "het", or heterozygous, for that gene.
If you bred a piebald to a het for piebald, it would be AA cross AB, which could give you the four possible outcomes of AA, AA, AB, AB, meaning you have a 50% chance at a pied, 50% chance at a het for pied.
If you bred two het piebalds together, thats AB cross AB, giving you AA, AB, AB, BB. So you have a 25% chance at making a pied, 50% chance at making a het for pied, 25% chance at making a normal. Since you can't tell a het from a normal, then you just say its a 75% chance at making a 66% het for pied. That means theres a 66% chance that normal looking one is het for pied.
The easy way to explain how to get the possible outcomes is in whats called a Mendel's square:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...LI1VSt9itQEjsw
In this case it talks about albino, but its also recessive like piebald, and uses A for non albino, a for albino. The p just stands for probability, showing the 50% and 25% chance I talked about.

Also, piebald to piebald gives all piebald.

Thanks a bunch dude :)

I'm going to have to look into this now :P

Sort of looking into buying a bumble bee pastel male.

A bumblebee is a pastel x spider :)

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Originally Posted by George1994

A bumblebee is a pastel x spider :)

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So what happens if you cross a bumble bee with a pie bald? :x

http://imgur.com/HWHogM4 the one I had my eye on :)

If you wanna breed the pied to the bumblebee you might want to get a female[emoji2].


Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy snakes and that's pretty close

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Originally Posted by hollowfaiths

So what happens if you cross a bumble bee with a pie bald? :x

http://imgur.com/HWHogM4 the one I had my eye on :)

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Het pied bumblebee :)

That's the plan since our Pied is male :P

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Thank you for all the help c: hope you guys don't get tired of my noob questions :P

Not at all mate, we all started off at the same point. No one is born with knowledge of snake morphs :) Enjoy discovering them!

a genetics calculator can be helpful, to play around and get a feel for it.

http://www.owalreptiles.com/genetics...75,2&pos&issue

Male:	Piebald
Female:	Bumblebee
Percent	Fraction	Traits
25%	1/4	Bumblebee, Het Piebald
25%	1/4	Pastel, Het Piebald
25%	1/4	Spider, Het Piebald
25%	1/4	Het Piebald
View Results Page

if you later bred piebald to het piebald, you get more piebalds and het piebalds. and when you breed your piebald to a het piebald that has extra genes, like pastel or spider, or even a bumble bee het piebald, you can get piebalds with extra genes.

like this:

Male:	Piebald
Female:	Bumblebee, Het Piebald
Percent	Fraction	Traits
12.5%	1/8	Pastel, Spied
12.5%	1/8	Pastel, Piebald
12.5%	1/8	Bumblebee, Het Piebald
12.5%	1/8	Pastel, Het Piebald
12.5%	1/8	Spied
12.5%	1/8	Piebald
12.5%	1/8	Spider, Het Piebald
12.5%	1/8	Het Piebald
View Results Page

one way to simplify it: to combine different recessives or to combine a recessive with something else takes at least two generations. dominant and codominant genes can be combined in one generation, by just breeding them to each other. and piebald is recessive, spider is dominant, and pastel is codominant.

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Originally Posted by hollowfaiths

So what happens if you cross a bumble bee with a pie bald? :x

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This is a three gene pair problem.
Bumblebee:
gene pair 1 = spider mutant gene paired with normal gene
gene pair 2 = pastel mutant gene paired with normal gene
gene pair 3 = two normal genes

Piebald:
gene pair 1 = two normal genes
gene pair 2 = two normal genes
gene pair 3 = two piebald genes

By the way, a normal gene is the most common gene in that gene pair in the snakes in the wild. The normal gene in gene pair 1 is not the same gene as the normal gene in gene pair 2 or gene pair 3.

Spider x piebald -->
1/4 normal
1/4 spider
1/4 pastel
1/4 spider pastel (AKA bumblebee)
And all babies are het piebald.
Fractions are the expected results. Actual results may vary.