Let me see your ADULT pastels!!

I want to see some high quality and low quality!! I'm also curious...does the 'quality' of a pastel pass on to its offspring, or is it like Pied and kinda random? I only ask, because I'm getting a pastel female...and while I can tell the difference from it compared to a normal...I don't know if it's the greatest quality.

I do not have any pics atm but I can answer your question. The quality is passed on to the offspring but only if the animal it is paired with is compatible with it. What I mean is if you take a high quality pastel and breed it to a really dark normal you will produce lower quality babies. The same in reverse a low quality pastel to bright normal will make better pastels.

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So if I bred a pastel to say, a bumblebee, the quality doesn't have as big of an effect?

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Originally Posted by iPanda

So if I bred a pastel to say, a bumblebee, the quality doesn't have as big of an effect?

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IMO when it comes to breeding stock, Quality always matters.

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Originally Posted by Rob

IMO when it comes to breeding stock, Quality always matters.

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Well yes, of course. But if one parent isn't as high of quality as the other, is it a deal breaker? Like i said, in pieds, it doesn't matter the 'quality' of them...the quality is random.

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Originally Posted by Rob

IMO when it comes to breeding stock, Quality always matters.

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Well yes, of course. But if one parent isn't as high of quality as the other, is it a deal breaker? Like i said, in pieds, it doesn't matter the 'quality' of them...the quality is random.

It would depend on the quality of the pastel in the bee if assume. Always shoot for high quality in all your animals and you'll be aight ;)

Here's my pastel, I consider her to be decent quality but I've seen better. 2nd is a pic of her last clutch with two pastels she produced. Ones nicer than the other. Sire was a spider. I believe that the dams influence on the top right snake is heavier but I don't believe the snake would be as nice with a lower quality animal...my opinion. Also a pic of what I consider very low quality pastel het pied. Got him for free so I ain't complaining but probably won't be breeding to anything either.

http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9kn2dk42.jpg
http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0c164b36.jpg
http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/...ps94knnjgd.jpg

The pastel het pied is very brown, idk what the parents looked like hats ican tell he's got a very strong brownout line. He is in shed right now and been trying to kill me even when I'm just walking through the room so I'm not going to clean his hide til he chills out a bit. 'Scuze his poop smeer on his hide lol

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y...psdf61d0b7.jpg
adult
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y...7/IMG_0174.jpg
and as a baby i wish ihadbetter pictures of herwhen she was a neonate. super vibrant yellow sides and bright head. id have to say shes not my best looking pastel as an adult though has kept her colorsalright.

I always thought this guy turned out pretty good. He was probably 2 or 3 in this pic...around 1500+ grams...

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...s/IMG_6304.jpg

he was probably around a year old here...600-800 grams or so?

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0/sydmir13.jpg

and here's his baby pic...

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/sho220/syd4.jpg

A few of his offspring ^^^

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...s/IMG_2516.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3..._1394MPSTL.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...G_0947BBF1.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...IMG_0904MP.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...G_0806BBM4.jpg

that bumblebee second post 3rd pic looks amazing sho220!

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Originally Posted by oskyle1567

that bumblebee second post 3rd pic looks amazing sho220!

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Thanks! She's a female I kept from a clutch I hatched a few years ago.

I'm making no claims one way or the other about quality (I don't know enough about morphs). To be honest, I don't really care - he's a sweet, docile, snake who eats like a champ and is a great pet. Anyway, about 2 and somewhere around 950 grams - sorry, I don't bother checking when they're eating and shedding well.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5018/...633e7ca3_o.jpg

http://images.plurk.com/4xRahDa6z4m4Mix0aTZFOt.jpg

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/...psaf735f44.jpg

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/...psae3196af.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2908/...fefa3618_o.jpg

Here's a picture from last year of a 2008 pastel with her 2012 pastel daughter:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps6231f176.jpg

Same 2012 pastel from above with sibling firefly - both just breaking the 1000g mark:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps12a1fdb4.jpg

I bought this 2009 female Pastel and bred her 2 years in a row to my male Orangebelly. She has produced some great looking female Pastels. I am working on getting her Pastel into more of my collection.

2009 Female Pastel, she may look a little thin because she laid about 2 weeks ago and has only taken 1 meal since.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...el_cropped.jpg


2012 Female Pastel, just a little smaller than her mother, at about 1,500 grams (plan on breeding her back to her Orangebelly father to see if there is something more to him to explain his awesome look), she eats like her father and has earned the nickname "Miss Piggy"
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...el_cropped.jpg


2013 Female Pastel, trying not to be out done by her sister, she has earned the nickname "Miss Piggy 2" since she has passed the 800 gram mark.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...el_cropped.jpg

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Originally Posted by iPanda

I want to see some high quality and low quality!! I'm also curious...does the 'quality' of a pastel pass on to its offspring, or is it like Pied and kinda random? I only ask, because I'm getting a pastel female...and while I can tell the difference from it compared to a normal...I don't know if it's the greatest quality.

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When you talk about the "quality" of a Pied, I assume you are talking about the amount of white. While the amount of white in a Pied is random, I would not call that the quality of the Pied. I prefer low white Pieds because I want to add more genes into the mix. If you have a high white Pied with other genes, you don't get to see all the beauty of the other genes. My personal ideal, is between 40% and 50% white. But when talking about Pastels, there is a bit more of an agreed "standard" for a good quality Pastel. The more yellow and blushing, the better the quality (for most people). These 2 traits seem to be much more predictable based on the parents, and can be improved upon with selective breeding. I think that a browned out Pastel is usually agreed to be low quality. Whether you decide color or blushing is more important to you, that is definitely a personal choice.

Here's a picture of a 2,000+ gram female Pastel we have. I couldn't believe how bright she was when we first got her.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/a...F9142D712D.jpg

Here is my male... mom was real ugly...http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/29/eqaqymuq.jpg

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Here is my male... mom was real ugly...http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/29/eqaqymuq.jpg

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That is a single gene male I would definitely use in breeding, or else if I hatched him out, repeat the same pairing to try to get some girls that look like him. But if not, maybe just one clutch, to try to get some girls that look like him, or to get his genes into a multi gene male... but he's beautiful.

While to a degree, high quality pastels ( ie. high yellow, high blushed ) can produce lower quality pastels, and lower quality pastels can on occasion produce a better quality pastel, by and large you want what YOU feel is the best example of a pastel or any other morph, to what you feel is the best example of any other morph to try and produce babies that surpass the parents.

For example, my fires. I purchased a really stellar example of a normal female, Akashi. This is her:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/IMG_0021.jpg

By her looks, light coloring and high blushing, I knew I wanted to breed her to a fire. So I searched for the best fire male I could find. This is him:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...nakes/Osa2.jpg

By breeding the two together, I hoped to produce fire babies that were better than either parent. These are some of the offspring:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...by2-Female.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...by8-male-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps09abc56e.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psb5618889.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...pse8ec8808.jpg

I think I succeeded. What do you think?

This careful, selective breeding works for any morph, except perhaps pied, because the white on pieds is fairly random. But pastels, cinnamons, mojaves, lessers, yellowbellies, pinstripes, pretty much any morph can benefit from selective breeding. And the great thing about many of these morphs is, it's what YOU see as a good example. My ideal pinstripe has a perfect, unbroken back stripe and as little side patterning as possible. My husband on the other hand, likes the same back stripe but super busy sides. My perfect lesser might look totally different than your perfect lesser. I wish you the best in your search.

Gale

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...pse8ec8808.jpg

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:bow: so nice...crazy head pattern.

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That is a single gene male I would definitely use in breeding, or else if I hatched him out, repeat the same pairing to try to get some girls that look like him. But if not, maybe just one clutch, to try to get some girls that look like him, or to get his genes into a multi gene male... but he's beautiful.

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I hatched out him and a female that looks like him... I breed him back to his mom(normal) ... eggs are on day 34....

Here's our adult male kingston at about 1200grams. Don't mention his brown..he's sensitive.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...h/DSCN3402.jpg

This is Sunny. She's almost 3 and is the sweetest girl ever!!!!http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/07/zaqadyzy.jpg
This is Medusa. She's about 7 and well....She's not the sweetest girl.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/07/3y9y3yta.jpg

here are my 1700g+ Female pastels, Sunny, and Petunia, (Toots).

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...n/IMAG1090.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...923_150401.jpg

Wilma, jungle vanilla pastel
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/07/vezy5ave.jpg

Here is my 1300gr female pastel
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/07/8y4y6a8e.jpg

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Originally Posted by iPanda

Well yes, of course. But if one parent isn't as high of quality as the other, is it a deal breaker?

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breed the best you've got, but that doesn't mean lower quality animals are totally useless. they are still ball pythons. if what you have on hand is considered low quality, there's nothing wrong with breeding them as long as your directed towards improving your stock.
it's a totally different issue when breeders are focused on production and just churn out clutch after clutch of low quality animals without taking into account that the pastels they produce could be mistaken for normals after a few generations.