Honey Bee X Pastel ???

Ok I have been trying to do my research and figure out this whole het/het hypo/het percentages and on and on and on thing, however I am far from a biology major and it tends to just make my head spin! LOL However (by popular consensus) I have decided to breed my Honey Bee male to my Pastel female this next season. My Honey Bee is a visual Hypo. The Pastel (as far as I know) is your standard Pastel. I got her from a petshop at an estimated age of 3 yrs old. My question is .... what are the possiblities I can expect from that clutch and what will that make the hatchlings as far as Het. goes? Thank you in advance for any insight and info!

Possibilities of:

25% 1/4 Het. Ghost
25% 1/4 Pastel Het. Ghost
25% 1/4 Spider Het. Ghost
25% 1/4 Bumble Bee Het. Ghost

Visual hypo parent = all babies 100% hypo

Ahhh ... More confusion .. I LOVE IT! LOL ... How does ghost come into play with this breeding mix? And are you saying that every single hatchling will be a hypo or did you mean carry the het for hypo?

Hypo and Ghost are used interchangeably, and all babies would be 100% het (my apologizes, I forgot to add the "het" in my last post). You would not get visuals because hypo/ghost is recessive and only one parent is carrying the gene (the visual hypo spider) while your pastel is not. Now if your pastel was 100% hypo then you COULD land visuals.

I assumed that's what you meant LOL .... So basically hypo and ghost mean the same thing? Ghost is just a cool unscientific name for hypo?

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Originally Posted by T_Sauer

I assumed that's what you meant LOL .... So basically hypo and ghost mean the same thing? Ghost is just a cool unscientific name for hypo?

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Ghost is what the original founder of the morph called it, however quite a few other species of snake were farther along and already had hypomelanistic morphs and just called them hypo. When you have a combination of hypo and axanthic or hypo and anerythristic they already called them ghost. This has constantly caused confusion when people try to cross into other species as what is what and then making ball python have the ridiculous name of "true ghost" for their hypo x axanthic combo. Calling them hypo now is the attempt to hopefully correct the confusion one day, but imo it is far too late, I think we will always have to refer to the hypo x axanthic combo as true ghost and now we are left with the confusion of hypo and ghost being called two different names for the same thing lol.

As many times as this link has been posted,I can only assume people are to lazy to use the search feature.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

How useful is the calculator on world of ball pythons really ??..... I used it before I posted on here , yes it said 1/4 normal 1/4 honey 1/4 pastel 1/4 honey pastel <(whatever that is) .... But what it didn't tell me was that because I have a visual hypo/ghost the clutch will be het hypo , it didn't tell me that Hypo and ghost mean the same thing and it didn't tell me that in order to throw a visual hypo that both the parents need to be visual hypo or 100% het ...... These are all things that I learned by asking on this site .... I'm just getting started and have a lot to learn yet so a "simulated calculator" simply won't do what I need at this point .... It's not laziness ... It's striving to know more ..... Thanks for your two cents tho

Percent Fraction Morph
25% 1/4 Het. Ghost
25% 1/4 Pastel Het. Ghost
25% 1/4 Spider Het. Ghost
25% 1/4 Bumble Bee Het. Ghost
^---This is the results you would have gotten IF the information was entered correctly.

You don't have a "honey"........... you have a honey bee (ghost/hypo X spider)

To do multi gene snakes you have to "control" more that one gene. In your case you would highlight the Ghost and then scroll down to spider (Hold your control button and click the Spider). Now both genes should be highlighted on the male side. Then click your Pastel on the female side and then calculate.

Exactly what I'm talking about lol ... As a begginer in the whole ball python world and genetics field I wouldn't know that ... I just learned something else new, how to use the wizard properly ... That's why I love this site so much a realm of information from experienced ppl in the area I'm trying to learn in and mostly everyone is very friendly and helpful ... The whole "laziness" comment just kinda erk'd my tater even tho it wasn't directed solely towards me ...

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Originally Posted by T_Sauer

The whole "laziness" comment just kinda erk'd my tater even tho it wasn't directed solely towards me ...

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Welcome to the WOB Genetics Wizard.
Here you can select any gene for a male and "breed" it to a female to see what the outcome will be. In order to select multiple genes for a given snake, simply hold the "ctrl" key while adding more genes.In order to breed a snake to a normal Ball Python, leave one side of the wizard blank and that snake will be treated as normal.
Check back here regularly as we are constantly working to improve the wizard.

Instructions are right above the calculator.
You have to understand you are not the first of millions to ask the same question.
I have learned more about genetics researching for lazy people that didn't want to do it themselves :rofl::rofl:

i think it got entered into the calculator incorrectly.

honey bee = hypo/ghost + spider. apparently you clicked a different morph that happens to be called "honey" or something like that.

try to feed the calculator with: hypo spider male, pastel female. then it should work.

^--- WoW

It's pretty easy to incorrectly enter genes into the calculator, but it's a really easy fix as well. Just go back and re-enter the right one. If you don't know what genes make up the morph you are looking for, I would just suggest googling it xP There is a lot of available information on it, just need to take the time and look around.

Other than that, that genetic calculator is extremely useful especially to a new python enthusiast. I spend hours on it sometimes. You'll get the hang of it, don't worry.

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Originally Posted by Painted

It's pretty easy to incorrectly enter genes into the calculator, but it's a really easy fix as well. Just go back and re-enter the right one. If you don't know what genes make up the morph you are looking for, I would just suggest googling it xP There is a lot of available information on it, just need to take the time and look around.

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You would already be on WOBP so no google needes LoL

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

You would already be on WOBP so no google needes LoL

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True xD

while we are at it, i prefer this one:

http://www.owalreptiles.com/genetics.php

its much better than the WOBP morph calculator, also a forum member works on that one, also it has a nice function which allows you to post the results to this very forum :D

Male:	Honeybee
Female:	Pastel
Percent	Fraction	Traits
25%	1/4	Bumblebee, Het Hypo
25%	1/4	Pastel, Het Hypo
25%	1/4	Spider, Het Hypo
25%	1/4	Het Hypo
View Results Page

thats really nicely done, with the links and everything.

I think WOBP leaves a lot to be desired, and can be quite hard for a newbie to use. The most annoying thing, to me, isn't in the calculator, but in looking for certain combos. There really should be a way to select base morphs and show all the combos that include those base morphs. Or at least type "spider pastel" into the search and it would bring up bumblebees.... but it doesn't unless you type "pastel spider". And neither "cinnamon pastel" nor "pastel cinnamon" bring up pewter, so you better hope you already know the name for that one. I've figured out an awkward work around, by using the genetics calculator then clicking the links it provides on the bottom, but occasionally that hasn't worked on combos I figure MUST exist, and I just get individual links for something like "lesser", "spider", and "pinstripe" instead of "kingspin". (Note, I think kingspin does work...just an example of the kind of issue I've had.)

T_sauer, I would recommend that you don't stop asking questions. Some people on this forum get (very understandably) tired of seeing the same question all the time. Don't take it personally. You didn't ask the same question a million times. And, others will answer. I would, however, recommend that you try to make them the type of questions that will help you learn to do it yourself next time. Think "teach me how to fish" not "catch a fish for me". Or, "teach me how to predict the morph outcomes of breeding" not "tell me the possible outcomes of this specific pairing", although using a specific pairing as a starting point is good. Also, if you've already tried something like WOBP and didn't understand the answers, let us know that! In this case, it looks like we would have said "gee, looks like you entered the info wrong, try this instead". But in other cases someone might not understand that hypo is recessive so they might be confused why none of the babies were visual hypo or what "het hypo" means. So knowing that type of info really helps us to help you.