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The Paint Gene
Anybody here working with the Paint gene? (Or the Nazca, Sentinel, Speckled)
If so, are you well versed in picking them out? I have a dual sired clutch (12 eggs) from a Chocolate female. I thought the fire would be the sire of the clutch, as the paint yellowbelly I have only locked once, months before ovy. Then the fire locked multiple times with her. I was hoping for hot chocolates (I got a male hot chocolate at least), but I have YB and YB chocolates. Some are probable paint YB chocolates, too.
Here are a couple of them that I think are the Paint YB Chocolate:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/files/1/6/3/7/0/b.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/files/1/6/3/7/0/a_1.jpg
Here's a hot chocolate male (fire chocolate) that hatched in this clutch. I like this one:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...0/img_0430.jpg
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I think Jon @ Cold Blooded Addiction might be your go to.
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Re: The Paint Gene
Definitely Paint in the first two! I like them, Congrats!
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WOW!, that 2nd Lesser YB Nazca is gorgeous!
What do you see in the spider that says Nazca is in it? And the first Lesser YB Nazca, what are you seeing in it to call it Nazca?
Subtle morphs can be frustrating, but they can also react with certain morphs to create way cool combos.
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Re: The Paint Gene
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Originally Posted by ClarkT
WOW!, that 2nd Lesser YB Nazca is gorgeous!
What do you see in the spider that says Nazca is in it? And the first Lesser YB Nazca, what are you seeing in it to call it Nazca?
Subtle morphs can be frustrating, but they can also react with certain morphs to create way cool combos.
I've hatched a decent number of Spider clutches and I noticed these looked a bit different right off the bat. The white speckles on the sides seem to come up more than any other Spiders I've hatched. I usually get nice medium to high white Spiders, but the white on her is coming up more than I normally see. The color looks a little off as well. And the weird patterning on the side of her neck looks different as well. As for the first Lesser YB Nazca there, he has a bit of the patterning on his sides that look like Nazca's. The dot behind his head is also supposed to be a Nazca marker as well.
Jon is the Nazca expert so he may be able to explain better than I can. It's a fairly subtle gene, so experience hatching them out I'm sure makes it easier to see...
I plan on putting the male YB Nazca back to mom this season in hopes of getting a Super. :)
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Re: The Paint Gene
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Originally Posted by sho220
Wow!!! <insert several words that I'm not allowed to say ont his forum here>!! That snake is AWESOME! :bow:
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Re: The Paint Gene
Oops, sorry. I didn't mean to be so rude as to not reply to the OP. I just got totally distracted by some shiny thing! :oops:
I don't know enough about the paint stuff to pick them out, but I will say all 3 of your babies are very nice!
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Re: The Paint Gene
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Originally Posted by kc261
Wow!!! <insert several words that I'm not allowed to say ont his forum here>!! That snake is AWESOME! :bow:
Thanks! And he keeps getting better and better. From what I understand the Nazca is a kind of highlighter gene, so the colors keep getting brighter and brighter...:)
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Re: The Paint Gene
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Originally Posted by ClarkT
WOW!, that 2nd Lesser YB Nazca is gorgeous!
What do you see in the spider that says Nazca is in it? And the first Lesser YB Nazca, what are you seeing in it to call it Nazca?
Subtle morphs can be frustrating, but they can also react with certain morphs to create way cool combos.
I've outlined the areas on this girl that have me thinking Nazca...it's subtle, but different...the smudgy marks on the neck, the spots are smeared and the white goes up higher and is more random that what I normally see with my Spiders...and their overall pattern is more busy...
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps6a00672e.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps904bce65.jpg
here's a pic of a normal Spider from another clutch (on left) and what I'm suspecting is a Nazca Spider on the right...(I hatched out two other suspected Nazca Spiders that I've since sold)...this is one of them. The normal Spider on the left hatched out about a week earlier but there was still a noticeable difference...
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...psc121ec81.jpg
The following two pics show all three suspected Nazca Spiders that were hatched in the same clutch...the one I kept is on the far right...
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps1c2efabb.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps27e85482.jpg
This is what my Spiders typically look like...nice and clean with little to no alien heads or other markings...
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...s/IMG_8075.jpg
If there are any Paint/Sentinel/Speckle/Neo experts out there, I'd love some more feedback...:)
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Re: The Paint Gene
Great comparisons. Thanks
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3 have shed so far.
Looks like 1.1 Paint? YB Chocolate, and 0.1 Chocolate. No idea if the paint gene is present in the 0.1 chocolate. Any help on identifying the paint in there? BTW, I think a paint YB Chocolate would be a world's first. They're pretty cool looking.
Here's the male Paint YB Chocolate:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...bchoc_m1_8.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...bchoc_m1_2.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...bchoc_m1_7.jpg
And the female:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...bchoc_f1_7.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...bchoc_f1_4.jpg
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Babies are looking great. Hopefully someone can chime in and confirm whether they're paints...
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I myself am still learning about the Paint gene, but from what I know, side shots of the head and first quarter to third of the body are very helpful. I have been told that the Paint gene often displays itself by distorting the pattern on the side, especially as the pattern meets the belly. If Jon (coldbloodaddict), says they are Paints (page 1 of this thread), then I would believe him. Now if you want him to post how he knows they are Paints, that might be helpful in learning how to identify future Paints. But either way, I would trust Jon's experience.
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Do you think you would be willing to post pictures of the Yellowbelly Paint sire? Possibly showing his neck and side pattern meeting his belly along with similar shots of the hatchlings in question? I always find comparison shots to be helpful.
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