New gene discovered called the Mirage

This week i hatched out some babies from breeding my pastel yellow belly male x high white bumblebee.When the babies started hatching we noticed they were VERY light colored and to the point they didnt look real.So i posted some pictures of the killerbee yellow belly from the clutch on facebook to get some opinions.Well my good friend Tim Bailey chimed in and said they looked like some mirage gene in them.I will say at first i was confused to what he was saying. The sire of the babies was bought directly from Tim by myself back a couple years before Tim figured out his male had more genes in it that he knew of. So with GREAT APPRECIATION for Tim selling me Samson here is the killerbee yellow belly Mirage in all her glory. http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k.../babies001.jpg

The original breeding that produced the first Mirage animals was a Pastel Ivory (produced by me) bred to a Pastel female (also produced by me), and it yielded 2.2 Super Pastel YB Mirage animals. One of those males is what Brandt bought. At that time, I didn't know how those animals would pass the gene, and therefore didn't want to name it yet. There were three criteria that I wanted to meet prior to naming the mutation.
#1, I wanted to ensure that a Mirage animal produced by me could reproduce the gene. Brandt was the first one to have an opportunity to do this, as he had a male, and I had kept a female from the first breeding. I can say that I have made Mirage animals three years in a row, by repeating the breeding that made them the first year in 2011.
#2, I wanted to ensure that the gene wasn't "linked" to YB. Brandt proved this by producing a Super Pastel Mirage that lacked the YB gene (this snake is pictured above).
#3, I wanted to make sure that the female Pastel I have been using isn't the animal passing the gene. Brandt again proved this, since he doesn't have my Pastel.

Brandt was able to help me determine that all of my criteria had been met, and therefore I wanted to name the mutation so that everyone could have something to call it. There is obviously more work to be done, and due to the animals I have, It has been hard for me to get the gene isolated from YB and Pastel, but it is a work in progrss. I can say that I have produced two Yellow Bellys and they are very extreme, and I believe they may be Mirage gene without the Pastel gene included. I will attempt to get some pics of those animals soon.

Congrats...gotta love it! That's a beauty. Please post some updated pics post shed. :gj:

The post before this one is what Tim Bailey had to say about the Mirage gene so far

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Originally Posted by sho220

Congrats...gotta love it! That's a beauty. Please post some updated pics post shed. :gj:

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Oh i will and the rest of the clutch are just as mind blowing as this one

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Originally Posted by joepythons

One of those males is what Brandt bought.

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Who is Brandt?

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Originally Posted by sho220

Who is Brandt?

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He is Major League reptiles ( i think thats right)

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Originally Posted by joepythons

He is Major League reptiles ( i think thats right)

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Ah...that's what I thought...I think it's Brant, not Brandt though. That guy's got an eye for this stuff...:O


Can't wait to see the rest of the clutch...

Some of the original babies were sold before Tim Bailey realized something was going on and i was lucky enough to buy one :gj:

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Originally Posted by sho220

Ah...that's what I thought...I think it's Brant, not Brandt though. That guy's got an eye for this stuff...:O


Can't wait to see the rest of the clutch...

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Oh ok i just copied and pasted what Tim wrote lol. I will add more pictures of the other babies tomorrow :gj:

Great looking combo Joe - I was hoping you would share it on here. :)

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...ymirage008.jpg, http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...ymirage003.jpg, http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k.../babies013.jpg, http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k.../babies006.jpg

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As promised the others from the Mirage clutch stuff.We still have 2 in the eggs left to come out

That pattern reminds me of the neck of a giraffe.

I'm just a small scale breeder who has bought a few animals from Tim,
so when he offered to let me buy into the project I jumped at the opportunity
and bought in with a super pastel yellow belly mirage female, one of the first two females.
Now three years later to see the power that this gene may hold shows that our belief was justified.
The animals you produced are stunning and can't wait for the post shed pictures!

Wow. You weren't kidding. That's one good lookin clutch


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Originally Posted by brock lesser

I'm just a small scale breeder who has bought a few animals from Tim,
so when he offered to let me buy into the project I jumped at the opportunity
and bought in with a super pastel yellow belly mirage female, one of the first two females.
Now three years later to see the power that this gene may hold shows that our belief was justified.
The animals you produced are stunning and can't wait for the post shed pictures!

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Brock i have been looking for you since talking to Tim the other night.When i bought Samson i had no idea of course he had this potential in him.Thats the best $400 i ever spent lol

This is more info about the Mirage gene IT IS NOT the same as NERDS Fader gene .

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Brock i have been looking for you since talking to Tim the other night.When i bought Samson i had no idea of course he had this potential in him.Thats the best $400 i ever spent lol

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Yes I was waiting till I talked to Tim and had it verified as mirage.
I am so looking foward to seeing all the animals that will come from the breeding of this new gene!
I am also hoping the yellow belly male I have goes as well he's got to be mirage also.
will definitely be following this thread.

Here is a pic of a 2013 Super Pastel YB Mirage. I need to update pics, this is 6 months old and she only looks better! iPhone pic, camera rig setting up for the update!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/19/uva5y6ys.jpg



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Here is a pic of a 2013 Super Pastel YB Mirage. I need to update pics, this is 6 months old and she only looks better! iPhone pic, camera rig setting up for the update!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/19/uva5y6ys.jpg



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NICE! I have 1 of those also and i will add her picture here :gj:

This is the super pastel yellow belly mirage i produced last year from the same pairing. http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...ictures023.jpg

What does Mirage look like on its own?

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What does Mirage look like on its own?

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We think this is the Mirage gene by itself .Its not a yellow belly and its not a normal but since this is newly discovered its going to be awhile before we are sure. http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...agemale012.jpg, http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...agemale016.jpg

Once they all shed, please post a clutch picture.

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Once they all shed, please post a clutch picture.

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Oh i will :gj:

This is Amazing! Love how these guys get better and better


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The gene on its own looks like yellow belly flames and shading without the belly pattern

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The gene on its own looks like yellow belly flames and shading without the belly pattern

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Yea thats what we are thinking also. When we look at the others the bellies are pretty much the same as the last baby

But its obviously not allelic with the YB complex

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The gene on its own looks like yellow belly flames and shading without the belly pattern

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There was a thread recently where someone hatched a pretty gorgeous "normal" that looked YB-ish but it didn't have the right belly. Wonder if there is any possibility it is Mirage? The possible combos in that clutch didn't look as dramatic as these, though.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-clutch-dinker

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Originally Posted by kc261

There was a thread recently where someone hatched a pretty gorgeous "normal" that looked YB-ish but it didn't have the right belly. Wonder if there is any possibility it is Mirage? The possible combos in that clutch didn't look as dramatic as these, though.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-clutch-dinker

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I posted in that thread in response to your post.The only way they could have the mirage gene is if they bought a snake from Tim Bailey and it was a pastel yellow belly or super pastel yellow belly with the mirage gene

This is a super pastel yellow belly mirage and killerbee mirage in that order. http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...emirage003.jpg, http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...emirage005.jpg

One more baby to show the effects of the Mirage gene.Its from a pastel yellow belly mirage(same as above babies) to a pewter female. http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...gmirage074.jpg