Is This A Baby Pastel Ball Python

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Originally Posted by yaboyyoungd1234567

I was curious to see if this baby pastel ball python has bright enough colors and blushes to not fade all the way back to a normal when an adult I don't know how to upload photos with my mobile device on here so if you could go to my gallery and check out my pictures and send me a private message or respond to me back on this thread I would highly appreciate it thank you

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Here's the snake in question...

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file.../0/photo_3.jpg

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file.../0/photo_2.jpg

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file.../3/0/image.jpg

Your best bet would be to try and get pics of the parents. If I had to guess...I'd say he's gonna brown out pretty bad. Just a guess though...

thank you very much for posting my pics I'm new to this so I appreciate it. but it is a pastel just a low grade?

but seeing the parents would be impossible got it from a pet store she's still really beautiful I'm grateful for that

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Originally Posted by yaboyyoungd1234567

thank you very much for posting my pics I'm new to this so I appreciate it. but it is a pastel just a low grade?

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Depends on what you consider low grade. He doesn't have much yellow and looks like he's gonna brown out pretty bad. But he's got an interesting funky pattern, and I like the black flecking in his pattern. To me, he'd be worth more as a "dinker" project, than to just add Pastel to something...

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Originally Posted by yaboyyoungd1234567

but seeing the parents would be impossible got it from a pet store she's still really beautiful I'm grateful for that

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That's all that really matters. Personally I think she's pretty cool looking...

Thank you and what do you mean a dinker instead of adding pastel

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Thank you and what do you mean a dinker instead of adding pastel

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"Dinker" is a term used to describe a snake that may be carrying something extra. Either a mutated gene or an inheritable trait. These are usually "proven" out by breeding. The black flecking on yours looks similiar to what are called "Granite" ball pythons... http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/granite/

I would be more interested in knowing if that particular trait is able to be passed on, than just breeding for the Pastel gene. The traits people are after with the Pastel gene are the bright yellows, which I don't think yours will have...

I think she will brown out pretty quickly but she does have a really cool pattern and I agree that she is beautiful. Definitely something to keep in mind to see how she looks when older to see if it turns out to be something cool to have as a dinker project.

Thank you guys very much just learning all the different morphs. But indeed this is a pastel just a low grade?

I dont know if she's a pastel but she's not a normal. Dont get rid of her. Breed her and so what you get. You never know it might just be a new gene

wish the pet stores new what morphs they had or were more knowledgeable about ball pythons.. I'm keeping her and I'll breed her to more normal ball python.

She is a pastel, just very dark. With baby pastels, the more pale yellow areas you see the lighter they tend to be. The orange/tan/grey colors are the ones tht tend to brown out the most. That snake has a lot of orange an tan already, so will probably really brown out as an adult. As others said, interesting pattern though.

Its a pastel it is pretty dark and more then likely will brown out alot, but the pattern is pretty cool

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Thank you for all your answers and insite. Glad to have join this community, after doing a lot of research she defiantly has some pastel in her if not all and just not as much bright colors. She has a whiter belly than a normal just like my pinstripe, also green eyes the blemishes and white lips. I'm really learning a lot as a ball python owner. Thanks again and I'm always willing to listen and take advice!

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Originally Posted by yaboyyoungd1234567

Thank you for all your answers and insite. Glad to have join this community, after doing a lot of research she defiantly has some pastel in her if not all and just not as much bright colors

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Pastel is dominant so yes that is a pastel, there is no "some".
On that note, I am digging the funky dirty pattern however there is not enough blushing for me.
It will brown out but truthfully the pattern makes up for it.

I'm not sure why, but I'm shown as starting this thread. I originally replied to yaboyyoungd1234567 who started the thread...:confusd:

This is really reassuring guys thanks for taking the time don't know how much it means.

and lol I was wondering why it was showing you as starting the thread sorry about that.

Looks like a pastel just a little dark, my first pastel actually did the weirdest thing each time he shed he got lighter until he was damn near identical to my old super pastel, just a tiney bit darker.

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That's good! I'm hopeful, I am very excited for her first shed! That would be a amazing if that's what happens with this baby! :)

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That's good! I'm hopeful, I am very excited for her first shed! That would be a amazing if that's what happens with this baby! :)

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You've got the right attitude so it's gonna be fun regardless...:gj:

Keep us updated regardless she will be a beautiful little thing, especially with that gorgeous pattern!

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You're right, thank you!

How do we distinguish between an unusually attractive normal and a pastel? I have a year old normal (normal to yellow belly) and a couple of hatchlings. I can't tell if the hatchlings are normal or pastels. (Don't know about the parents.) One has bright yellow spots on her back. Any ideas? Do they (normals) all have spots in their patches? What are the correct terminologies for the markings?

JustMe, you'll probably get better responses if you start your own thread.

Where did you get the snakes in question? If you got them from a breeder, and he/she didn't tell you they are pastels, they it is highly unlikely they are.

Usually the yellowest part of a pastel is their lower sides. Very roughly halfway up their sides, they have a noticable "brown out line" and above that they'll be browner. In really good pastels, they'll still be quite yellow, but still browner and/or darker than they are on their lower sides. If they one you have has bright gold/yellow on her back, but not on her sides, then I don't think she's a pastel.

Other clues that a snake is a pastel is the pattern (usually busier than a normal), their eyes, (usually bright green), and the blushing (faded areas within the dark areas in their pattern on their back & sometimes extended down their sides), and their belly (usually clear). They'll have these traits to varying degrees, and normals can have many of these traits too, which is what can fool some newbies, but you'll develop an eye for it.